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gab13by13

(32,323 posts)
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 07:51 AM Aug 2022

Our 5 Eyes Program Has Been Compromised.

Last edited Sun Aug 14, 2022, 09:55 AM - Edit history (2)

The program was created after WW II and expanded to include 5 countries that share intelligence information with one another.

Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States together form "The Five Eyes" — which the UK Defense Journal describes as the "intelligence alliance of the Anglosphere."

Some of the documents retrieved were revealed to be SIGINT intelligence which is what 5 eyes falls under.

Donald Trump is a threat to our national security and needs to be indicted sooner rather than later.

The International press is shocked at this scandal unlike some of the press in the US.

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Our 5 Eyes Program Has Been Compromised. (Original Post) gab13by13 Aug 2022 OP
You know, Karma13612 Aug 2022 #1
Perhaps when Trump looked like Putin took him to the woodshed was the moent the demand was made. TheBlackAdder Aug 2022 #16
Trump looks like he was severely disciplined. Putin looks very smug. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #50
He looked like the cat that ate the canary. calimary Aug 2022 #62
Oh yes. Putin got what he had always wanted. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #66
Not so hidden meaning markbark Aug 2022 #69
Yikes. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #70
It was obvious from this and Meowmee Aug 2022 #54
Yes and the full damage is coming to light. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #67
Yes Meowmee Aug 2022 #73
My condolences to you Meowmee. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #74
Thank you Meowmee Aug 2022 #75
YW Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #76
Hopefully Meowmee Aug 2022 #77
I believe they will. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #78
So scary to think Karma13612 Aug 2022 #57
We do. 2naSalit Aug 2022 #21
Exactly. We need to fix this mess and show Karma13612 Aug 2022 #58
Trump has done considerable damage to our standing in the world. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #68
Yea. It's frightening. Karma13612 Aug 2022 #71
K&R IrishAfricanAmerican Aug 2022 #2
I am sure you are correct. kentuck Aug 2022 #3
Who would have thought it? Farmer-Rick Aug 2022 #4
But he hugs flags!! /s BadgerMom Aug 2022 #40
Potentially, yes. paleotn Aug 2022 #5
This may be where the nuclear documents landed. gab13by13 Aug 2022 #17
Yes I was thinking the same. As bad or worse than Hanssen. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #52
Hanssen's crimes have been described as "possibly the worst intelligence disaster in U.S. history." ShazzieB Aug 2022 #53
Oh yes his ego would love that. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #55
There is no such thing SickOfTheOnePct Aug 2022 #6
Agency was a poor choice of words, program would have been better. gab13by13 Aug 2022 #18
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2022 #7
No, but society would not exist as we know it without these. LiberalArkie Aug 2022 #8
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2022 #10
Good answer PatSeg Aug 2022 #13
Wow, he/she didn't even last an hour PatSeg Aug 2022 #14
Somehow... 2naSalit Aug 2022 #22
It wasn't a biggie PatSeg Aug 2022 #29
She'll be back... Rhiannon12866 Aug 2022 #61
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm... Peacetrain Aug 2022 #9
I wonder how many FBI agents one might meet in a Library? mn9driver Aug 2022 #12
I am a progressive and I support the FBI 100%. Tommymac Aug 2022 #15
It is funny that until Trump, PatSeg Aug 2022 #30
It is most astonishing. Actually jaw dropping to me when I first realized this shortly after trump msfiddlestix Aug 2022 #32
It feels like everything is topsy-turvy PatSeg Aug 2022 #33
i was just gonna say "opposite day" taken from a childrens song msfiddlestix Aug 2022 #34
My kids used to watch "You can't do that on Television" PatSeg Aug 2022 #36
defintely in the realm of nightmares, for me. If this were a movie, I'd exit out of it on the first msfiddlestix Aug 2022 #41
Dr. Strangelove seems rather prescient now PatSeg Aug 2022 #44
Yes DENVERPOPS Aug 2022 #38
That is an excellent example PatSeg Aug 2022 #42
Many of my friends DENVERPOPS Aug 2022 #43
Yes, I've heard people say things like that PatSeg Aug 2022 #45
Or DENVERPOPS Aug 2022 #47
"Drop acid, not bombs" PatSeg Aug 2022 #48
It is absolutely amazing DENVERPOPS Aug 2022 #51
Well "cool" was cool before the sixties PatSeg Aug 2022 #59
he needs to be arrested . period AllaN01Bear Aug 2022 #11
Treason by any other name is still TREASON. Joinfortmill Aug 2022 #19
No doubt the 5 Eyes program can be abused, gab13by13 Aug 2022 #20
"Bolster state intelligence", "we're on the verge of fascism." David__77 Aug 2022 #23
"the government can't be trusted" stopdiggin Aug 2022 #28
KICK orangecrush Aug 2022 #24
The US press DownriverDem Aug 2022 #25
The Federal Government, even more so..... DENVERPOPS Aug 2022 #46
What country will want to share itel with the U.S. orangecrush Aug 2022 #26
The purge needs to begin at the top, and soon. gab13by13 Aug 2022 #27
Agree 100%. orangecrush Aug 2022 #31
I think they had been more cautious for a while Meowmee Aug 2022 #56
Yes orangecrush Aug 2022 #63
grew up in the era brainwashed to believe that all the US did was for the greater good joanbarnes Aug 2022 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author Baked Potato Aug 2022 #37
It's wrong. James48 Aug 2022 #39
Trump has done a good job for Putin by weakening the US and the other western democracies. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #49
What makes you think anything at all has been compromised? There ... reACTIONary Aug 2022 #60
The FBI orangecrush Aug 2022 #64
OK. And what did they see? Did they make any... reACTIONary Aug 2022 #65
Hang tight. orangecrush Aug 2022 #72
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2022 #79

Karma13612

(4,982 posts)
1. You know,
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 08:07 AM
Aug 2022

This is a great point. We are part of a global security ‘sphere’. It is our responsibility to take down our threat to that.

And because we KNOW there was a document involving a member of the EU (Macron), then they will be equally eager for us to take down TFG.

We answer to countries around the world. We owe it to all the other counties to clean up this mess. To heck with what the crazy GQP and Maga-lago’s have to say about it!

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
16. Perhaps when Trump looked like Putin took him to the woodshed was the moent the demand was made.
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 09:43 AM
Aug 2022

.





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Irish_Dem

(81,271 posts)
66. Oh yes. Putin got what he had always wanted.
Mon Aug 15, 2022, 07:34 AM
Aug 2022

The installation of a Putin puppet into the White House.

Trump looks like Putin explained to him exactly what that means.
And the price to be paid for his installation into high office.

markbark

(1,631 posts)
69. Not so hidden meaning
Mon Aug 15, 2022, 07:47 AM
Aug 2022

to the fact that "President Trump" can be anagrammed to "Putin's Red Pet"

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
54. It was obvious from this and
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 05:25 PM
Aug 2022

Other incidents and even from the nazi campaign where this was headed.

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
73. Yes
Mon Aug 15, 2022, 07:06 PM
Aug 2022

A close friend left this earth today so I haven’t paid much attention yet, I have to catch up. I told her we are gonna have a big party if they get dump but we never got to 😭

Irish_Dem

(81,271 posts)
74. My condolences to you Meowmee.
Mon Aug 15, 2022, 07:09 PM
Aug 2022

So sorry to hear about your friend.

There will probably be a big party in heaven with the dumpter gets his just punishments.

Irish_Dem

(81,271 posts)
76. YW
Mon Aug 15, 2022, 07:44 PM
Aug 2022

Yep, my father will be making a big toast when Trump, leader of the new American Nazis, gets what he deserves.

Irish_Dem

(81,271 posts)
78. I believe they will.
Mon Aug 15, 2022, 08:53 PM
Aug 2022

Kindred spirits in heaven rejoicing in good news for their loved ones.
All together.

2naSalit

(102,793 posts)
21. We do.
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 09:55 AM
Aug 2022

Last edited Sun Aug 14, 2022, 06:43 PM - Edit history (1)

It is a mess of our making, with help of course, and our laws are what will correct the problem if we collectively chose to do so.

Karma13612

(4,982 posts)
58. Exactly. We need to fix this mess and show
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 06:02 PM
Aug 2022

The entire world that we will not accept this kinda crap from Trump.

Irish_Dem

(81,271 posts)
68. Trump has done considerable damage to our standing in the world.
Mon Aug 15, 2022, 07:39 AM
Aug 2022

And it is not just Trump who is Putin's puppet here in the US.
There are others.

Look at the US members of congress who consistently side with Putin.

kentuck

(115,407 posts)
3. I am sure you are correct.
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 08:23 AM
Aug 2022

They have been compromised.

I would be totally surprised if not.

Farmer-Rick

(12,667 posts)
4. Who would have thought it?
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 08:26 AM
Aug 2022

Who would have thought that a psychopath who has no sense of loyalty to his country, who asked Russia to help get himself elected, who allowed hundreds of thousands of Americans to die needlessly from a virus and who admires Hitler and crime bosses would sell off our national secrets to the highest bidders?

Who would of thought it?

paleotn

(22,218 posts)
5. Potentially, yes.
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 08:39 AM
Aug 2022

This could be as bad or worse then Hansson and Ames. Their treason caused the deaths of numerous intel assets around the globe and they did it for chump change. Donnie may not have been as cheap as those bastards.

The Saudis didn't invest 2 billion in Jarad's brand new, private equity fund just because they're buds. Over the objections of Saudi's soverign wealth officials no less, since Kushner has zero experience running such a fund. We said then that there was a lot more to that story. This may be the "lot more" part.

Irish_Dem

(81,271 posts)
52. Yes I was thinking the same. As bad or worse than Hanssen.
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 04:01 PM
Aug 2022

Hanssen is thought to be the worst intelligence disaster in US history.

He sold thousands of classified documents to the Russians, extremely serious and sensitive documents. Also put US agents in danger.

The $2 billion from the Saudis is only partial payment and only one country.
We can do the math.

ShazzieB

(22,590 posts)
53. Hanssen's crimes have been described as "possibly the worst intelligence disaster in U.S. history."
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 05:21 PM
Aug 2022

Could Trump be about to bump him to "second worst"? I'm sure Donnie would like that, considering how much he loves to be #1!

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
6. There is no such thing
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 09:07 AM
Aug 2022

as a “Five Eyes Agency”.


All federal agencies that deal with classified information determine whether classified info is releasable to our Five Eyes partners, and if it is, that will included in the classification markings in the document. We don’t share everything with our Five Eyes partners, and in fact, sharing a classified document with Five Eyes that isn’t specifically marked as being releasable to Five Eyes is a violation.

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LiberalArkie

(19,807 posts)
8. No, but society would not exist as we know it without these.
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 09:13 AM
Aug 2022

Just because as ideals some times weave in and out of liberalism, conservatism does not make them correct in the long run.

Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #8)

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
13. Good answer
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 09:25 AM
Aug 2022

I have found it rather remarkable that I am defending and supporting the FBI, but times have changed and so have a lot of our institutions. I will still be critical of them if they should abuse their authority however.

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
29. It wasn't a biggie
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 10:39 AM
Aug 2022

It is just rare to see it happen in real time. Whoosh, he was gone!

mn9driver

(4,848 posts)
12. I wonder how many FBI agents one might meet in a Library?
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 09:23 AM
Aug 2022

I’ll have to check next time I’m there.

Tommymac

(7,334 posts)
15. I am a progressive and I support the FBI 100%.
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 09:32 AM
Aug 2022

The RW is going all out to try and denigrate the FBI right now...wonder why this came up here and now.

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
30. It is funny that until Trump,
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 10:41 AM
Aug 2022

no one loved the FBI and the CIA better than republicans.

msfiddlestix

(8,178 posts)
32. It is most astonishing. Actually jaw dropping to me when I first realized this shortly after trump
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 10:51 AM
Aug 2022

was installed.

I forget now what the first indication was... too many shocking events laid bare this revelation.

I'm still rather shocked by this fact.

My perspective has completely flipped from the "before times".

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
33. It feels like everything is topsy-turvy
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 11:05 AM
Aug 2022

and we are living in opposite world. There is very little that is recognizable about today's republicans. They still love their guns and hate socialism, but they've shrugged off so many long held beliefs and loyalties without second thought, because some carnival barker with weird hair told them to.

Basically, they never really believed much of anything except what they were told to believe. Astonishing, but I guess we probably always knew it was true.

msfiddlestix

(8,178 posts)
34. i was just gonna say "opposite day" taken from a childrens song
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 11:13 AM
Aug 2022

it's a great song, just never imagined applying to reality on a national level.

Carnival Barker with Weird Hair. So appropriate.

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
36. My kids used to watch "You can't do that on Television"
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 01:06 PM
Aug 2022

on the Nickelodeon channel and one of the regular segments was "Opposite Day". Now that pops in my head on a regular basis, along with the movie Idiocracy.

I have a great imagination, but I could never have imagined what we've seen in recent years. It goes way beyond satire or farce. More in the realm of nightmares I suppose. All I know is if this was a novel or a movie, I'd want my money back.

msfiddlestix

(8,178 posts)
41. defintely in the realm of nightmares, for me. If this were a movie, I'd exit out of it on the first
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 02:31 PM
Aug 2022

clue or indication where the story line was going.

It's exactly what I actually do on Netflix, Prime etc. Usually the titles give it away, but vague, a few lines in description. When that is unclear, I might click play and the script in the first few scenes is the tell.

I've noticed movie scripts are lacking in imaginative narrative and plot lines. Or i'm just too jaded at this point.

There are exceptions, but they are rare.

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
44. Dr. Strangelove seems rather prescient now
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 02:47 PM
Aug 2022

Though even those characters are more believable and likable than these clowns.

If this madness was a movie, as soon as I saw Donald Trump, I'd assume it was too farfetched to be worth my time. I'd also think that they had the worst makeup artist in Hollywood. No one would look like that on purpose.

Then if I hung in there long enough to see Marjorie Taylor Greene, Ted Cruz, Lauren Boebert, or Jim Jordan - "No, no, no, not possible. No one would possibly vote for those fools even in a make-believe world!" Even a farce would try to be more credible than that.

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
38. Yes
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 01:29 PM
Aug 2022

The Logic and Reason the Republicans show is as topsy turvy as found in Alice in Wonderland.

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
42. That is an excellent example
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 02:35 PM
Aug 2022

As a kid, I didn't like Alice in Wonderland. It was full of disturbing and erratic characters. It was not at all interesting or entertaining. I guess now we are living in such a bizarre world.

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
43. Many of my friends
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 02:47 PM
Aug 2022

back in the 60's, said Alice In Wonderland made perfect sense to them after taking a tab of acid before watching.........LOL
Those same friends said Fantasia on Acid was the absolute most incredible thing they had ever done.......

You couldn't catch me doing drugs like most of my friends, (I had an uber responsible job and couldn't risk not having complete control of my senses at all times,) but I sure enjoyed watching them.......LOL

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
45. Yes, I've heard people say things like that
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 02:52 PM
Aug 2022

about doing drugs and Alice in Wonderland, which rather confirmed that it really was as disturbing as I thought. I can see watching your friends would be entertaining though.

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
48. "Drop acid, not bombs"
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 03:43 PM
Aug 2022

Make Love, Not War.

Turn on, tune in, drop out.

Groovy - that one really dates a person very quickly!

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
51. It is absolutely amazing
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 04:00 PM
Aug 2022

that the word "cool" is still in use today............

Any others?????

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
59. Well "cool" was cool before the sixties
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 06:29 PM
Aug 2022

That went back to the beatniks of the fifties "Daddy-o" and apparently it replaced "swell" (thank goodness). Anyway, it really has universal appeal, but "groovy" was just too trendy to survive.

Others:
Never trust the man.
Power to the people.
Flower power.
Far out man.
Keep on truckin'.

Some of these I can hear in Cheech or Chong's voice.

gab13by13

(32,323 posts)
20. No doubt the 5 Eyes program can be abused,
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 09:53 AM
Aug 2022

that's why we need good people in government.

With the threats to democracies across the globe I think we need 5 Eyes right now.

Why should our allies trust us right now? Trump put his traitors throughout government. The purge needs to begin at the top to send a message, screw the pyramid strategy, time is of the essence.

David__77

(24,728 posts)
23. "Bolster state intelligence", "we're on the verge of fascism."
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 10:02 AM
Aug 2022

Does not compute to me. Not saying you said that
- it does seem like a theme to me.

stopdiggin

(15,463 posts)
28. "the government can't be trusted"
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 10:38 AM
Aug 2022

as a 'theme' is an equally vapid and dangerous conceit. Just as I'm sure you are nottrying to say that we shouldn't (ever) share intelligence regarding mutual threats with other states? Terror groups? Covid? That also doesn't 'compute' - (at least not in this reckoning).

Blanket statements have a tendency to lead into corners.

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
46. The Federal Government, even more so.....
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 03:09 PM
Aug 2022

We are a hair away from the *Corporate Fascists of America* replacing the *United States of America*

The "Citizens United" decision was shoved thru the USSC, by and for the Republicans, as a final nail in the coffin......

orangecrush

(30,261 posts)
26. What country will want to share itel with the U.S.
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 10:20 AM
Aug 2022



After this?

At the very least, they will be very selective about what they share.

gab13by13

(32,323 posts)
27. The purge needs to begin at the top, and soon.
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 10:25 AM
Aug 2022

We can't even purge a postmaster general who was working to dismantle the Post Office, well maybe we can now, we shall see.

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
56. I think they had been more cautious for a while
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 05:30 PM
Aug 2022

Last edited Mon Aug 15, 2022, 02:08 AM - Edit history (1)

When he was installed.. one of the first things he did after meeting with the Russian diplomat in the oval office with no press present and no transcript was to compromise an Israeli intelligence agent as I recall.

joanbarnes

(2,119 posts)
35. grew up in the era brainwashed to believe that all the US did was for the greater good
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 12:50 PM
Aug 2022

so saddened by this

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Irish_Dem

(81,271 posts)
49. Trump has done a good job for Putin by weakening the US and the other western democracies.
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 03:51 PM
Aug 2022

And breaking up western alliances.

Exactly as Putin ordered no doubt.

reACTIONary

(7,162 posts)
60. What makes you think anything at all has been compromised? There ...
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 08:11 PM
Aug 2022

... haven't been any reports of any of this information being given to foreign or unauthorized individuals, have there? I haven't seen any.

orangecrush

(30,261 posts)
64. The FBI
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 11:12 PM
Aug 2022

Subpoenaed the surveillance camera footage of the rooms where the documents were stored.

reACTIONary

(7,162 posts)
65. OK. And what did they see? Did they make any...
Mon Aug 15, 2022, 05:19 AM
Aug 2022

.... announcement about who went in or out and for what reason? Not that I have heard.

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