Question for my homies re: TS/SCI documents

[G2theD]

Is it true that the TS/SCI documents would have been stored in a SCIF and someone with the highest security clearance would have to specifically select the documents they wanted and somehow sneak them out?

In other words it was no accident, which would indicate intent to steal and not that they just accidentally were included in a box and Trump didn’t realize it?

If this is true, it should be an easier conviction.

TS/SCI=Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmentalized Information

SCIF=SCI Facility

[malthaussen]

1. Yes.

Lawyers are already pointing out that this proves intent.

-- Mal

[G2theD]

2. Yeeeehah!

[kentuck]

3. Jared fought tooth and nail with General Kelly to get his security clearance ...

..of top secret. FWIW

[Irish_Dem]

14. The investigators refused to clear Jared for top secret classification.

Trump ordered them to give Jared highest level clearance.

Jared was the money man, securing the deals.
He needed access to all documents.

[VMA131Marine]

4. Classified documents at every level are stored in secure rooms

Even at the confidential level access to the room requires at least 2-factor authentication plus a clearance plus need to know. TS/SCI is obviously the most restrictive as to who is deemed to need access.
It kind of sounds like the Trump Administration had classified documents lying around in plain view all over the place.

[Sneederbunk]

5. But TFG promised to put a padlock on the door.

[Deminpenn]

10. Neither confidential nor secret docs

would be locked or stored in a SCIF.

[VMA131Marine]

13. They would be in a secure room with at least 2-factor authentication

The secure rooms I have had access to all had an electronic combination lock plus you needed a key card and a pin beyond that. And that was only to access secret information.

[Deminpenn]

16. No they are not

Every person in our open, bullpen style office had to do a rotation on security duty with the "secret safe" that was nothing more than a file cabinet with a flat metal bar that went vertically behind the file drawer handles and attached to an integral flange on top of the file cabinet. There was sheet on top that showed who opened it in the morning and verified it was closed and locked at COB.

[VMA131Marine]

23. So how did you control access to your open office to people who were not cleared

Or didn’t need to know. I’ve worked in several secure facilities with secret and confidential information and not one was as lax with security as yours.

[Deminpenn]

24. Everyone had clearance and

the "safe" was in view of the supervisor and deputy. We weren't a secure facility either, at least not the same as your experience. FTR, I held both confidential and secret clearance and went through the top secret clearance process although the top secret program it was for was cancelled, so there was no need to for me to get that clearance.

On our compound, we had several different activities, one of which was DoD's mapping agency. Those vital maps were, and should have been, highly classified and were handled that way. But our command's stuff? The things that were classified confidential or secret like flying hours and WSPDs really did not need those classifications since you could figure out the same information from unclassified reports.

[doc03]

6. Other than to sell why would an x president need

boxes of TS documents?

[leftieNanner]

7. Possibly because he wants to pretend that he's still

an Important Guy.

Everything about him is either for $$$ or his ego.

[LuckyCharms]

8. Yes. n/t

[underpants]

9. Looks to be correct. Let's remember he got them while POTUS

why he needed them? We know he doesn’t read the PDB let alone anything else.
POTUS can ask for anything they want I would believe.

[Dysfunctional]

11. IN the 60s, at NSA headquarters, there were colored lines on the floor.

Marines were stationed at every intersection to make sure that our badges matched the floor. This was just to walk down a corridor.

[CRK7376]

19. In the early 80's there were still color lines

indicating this space was TS/SCI at the DIA and NSA. Some of the SCIFs I worked in within the SCIF also had color lines for specific work areas.

[dutch777]

12. I suspect much of the private presidential and sr exec offices in the WH are SCIFs de facto

The level of security is very high, they are swept for listening devices regularly, the windows are tinted and insulated in a way to protect from long range telescopes "reading over the President's shoulder" and so that laser or other long range remote vibration microphones can't hear the conversation in the room via glass in the windows. I worked in a SCIF for 2 years in the military and while ours was essentially a very oversize bank vault with no windows and only one way in or out and under 24/7 armed guard, I think many rooms in the WH where there is no general public access and only carefully screened visitors are allowed would more than qualify. We did lock all Secret and above classified docs in combination safe like filing cabinets at the end of each day. All that said, when we left for the day that armed guard searched us and our briefcases and nothing with a classification marking above Confidential was allowed out. Unless there were clear orders, appropriate guard/escort and a locked secure briefcase, documents lived and died in the SCIF. Classified docs no longer needed were shredded and placed in burn bags which were escorted under guard to a burn facility and certified destroyed. There was no accounting though for classified docs, no inventory. Unless someone went looking for something and just couldn't find it, we would have had no way of knowing day to day if something was missing. In the case of a President and senior staff I can't quite see the Marine guards being quite as nosy as our MPs were.

[G2theD]

17. Amy Klobuchar said she had to remove her Fitbit to enter

That seems pretty radically secure. The TS/SCI documents are not to removed at all is my understanding.

[CRK7376]

20. No cell phones, fitbits, electronics etc.

..are allowed in any SCIF I ever worked in. Our SCIF also had a document manager that signed in and out classified docs that I needed access too but had to be turned in by COB....nothing left the SCIF.

[G2theD]

18. Then how was Trump able to get documents out of the SCIF?

If they can be removed from the SCIF, don’t they need to be checked out and then checked in at the end of the day?

[AntiFascist]

15. Michael Flynn...

According to the whistleblowers, Derek Harvey, the Senior Director for Middle East and
North African Affairs at the National Security Council (NSC) from January to July 2017, stated
during the first week of the Trump Administration that the decision to adopt IP3’s nuclear plan,
which it called the Middle East Marshall Plan, and develop “dozens of nuclear power plants” had
already been made by General Flynn during the transition—while he was serving as an advisor
to IP3.

Career staff warned that any transfer of nuclear technology must comply with the Atomic
Energy Act, that the United States and Saudi Arabia would need to reach a 123 Agreement, and
that these legal requirements could not be circumvented. Mr. Harvey reportedly ignored these
warnings and insisted that the decision to transfer nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia had
already been made.

Both career and political staff inside the White House reportedly agreed that Mr.
Harvey’s directive could violate the law. One senior political official stated that the proposal
was “not a business plan,” but rather “a scheme for these generals to make some money.” That
official stated: “Okay, you know we cannot do this.”

...

Despite the concerns of whistleblowers and NSC attorneys, and even after the President
fired General Flynn in mid-February, officials inside the White House continued to move
forward on the IP3 nuclear plan. More than five individuals separately confirmed that Mr.
Harvey stated during a meeting on March 2, 2017: “I speak with Michael Flynn every night.”

https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/Trump%20Saudi%20Nuclear%20Report%20-%202-19-2019.pdf

[onenote]

21. I doubt presidents have to leave the WH to view TS/SCI documents.

Those with the highest level of clearance undoubtedly have the authority to transport such documents to the WH. Just as someone with the requisite clearance undoubtedly originally takes the documents to the SCIF where they are stored (they're not created in the SCIF storage facility).

[G2theD]

22. I'm just wondering how they could show up at MAL

without being noticed immediately that they were checked out and not back in.