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As speculation continues to mount over what classified documents former President Donald Trump and why he chose to remove them from the White House at the end of his tenure, Bloomberg contributor and Trump biographer Timothy L. O'Brien writes that Trump and his allies' claims of political persecution have drowned out the more pressing questions as to why the FBI conducted the raid in the first place.
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The first reason, O'Brien said, could simply be due to Trump's immature need to hold on to the exclusivity and privileged nature of the presidency he now no longer holds.
But Trump might also have "deeply damaging and troubling" reasons for retaining the material, he said.
"Unfettered greed has motivated Trump his entire life. He didnt get into the casino business to beautify Atlantic City," O'Brien wrote. "He didnt propose a mega-development on Manhattans West Side because it would have made New York more livable. He didnt start Trump University to educate students, and he didnt host 'The Apprentice' to tutor entrepreneurs. He didnt originally run for president to revitalize democracy. Money, money, money."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-might-ve-stashed-documents-at-mar-a-lago-for-two-deeply-damaging-and-troubling-reasons-biographer/ar-AA10H88G
no_hypocrisy
(54,904 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)Clash City Rocker
(3,546 posts)Putin may have demanded the info to keep him from releasing the peepee tape, or whatever kompromat they have on him.
Or
.he may just be so undisciplined and lazy that he didnt even know he had it. I would say this couldnt really be the case, but theres an old saying - never attribute to malice anything that can be explained by incompetence.
regnaD kciN
(27,639 posts)At least some of these were TS/SCI. Those wouldnt just be sitting around in the Oval Office desk drawers; these are documents that are so secret, they can only be examined in a special secured facility. Theyre supposed to bring the documents out, you examine them, then they take them back again. If he has those, theres no way he took them by accident or not realized their value. This had to be a conscious decision and there are a whole bunch of people who needed to have abetted him, and who are also at risk under the Espionage Act.
sop
(18,614 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)him way too much credit. he's a fucking idiot with a severe case of sex on the wrong brain. he has no imagination and has never had any or needed to use any to consider consequences. life is a game of golf - just one hole after another. he wants something and that's it. if he hadn't been super rich he's gotten beaten up every time he went to a bar and never gotten out of jail for his first sexual abuse conviction cause they would not like him.
tanyev
(49,288 posts)
Walleye
(44,798 posts)no_hypocrisy
(54,904 posts)ThoughtCriminal
(14,721 posts)
malaise
(296,090 posts)ashredux
(2,928 posts)housecat
(3,138 posts)soldierant
(9,354 posts)Everywhere except here.
Brainfodder
(7,781 posts)Gaslighting with too little gas?
niyad
(132,440 posts)irisblue
(37,508 posts)Saboburns
(2,807 posts)This is what I think.
I keep reading how the FBI could be so lax that it took them 2 years to figure out Top Secret Nuclear docs were missing. And doesn't it seem strange that the FBI actually was at Mar-a-Loco months ago and removed 15 boxes of "stuff" while recommending Trump put a lock on some of what they left there. I mean, there's every chance they actually saw/handled these very papers that are in today's news. And isn't it also true that there's huge rumblings about a mole, a spy, a traitor, in Trumpworld. So close to DJT that it could only be one of a handful of top confidents.
I don't know for sure That DJT stole our nation's highest security secrets to sell. Maybe he didn't, maybe he just wanted them to brag around the clubhouse. But then I think back to 1980 when I first heard the name Donald Trump, and all the fucking shit he's done that even I know about these past 50 odd years and...
Listen, one thing I am sure of is that Law Enforcement, the FBI, plays their cards close to their vests. They give out zero information. They do that to make a target squirm. They do it that way because it works. They don't show their cards till the end of the game, and sometimes not even then.
Consider that the FBI gave DJT rope enough to hang himself. Consider that the FBI knew, AND TRACKED, these documents from day 1. Consider the possibility that the spy was their man. Because I am certain that's the case. Consider that if anything untoward regarding the handling or marketing of these so secret documents were known, tracked, AND EVEN ALLOWED by the FBI. Up to a point. That's how these things are done. That's how evidence is gathered.
Consider that these charges are just the beginning. That even if there is iron clad proof of Espionage, that news will not come for months yet. That's how things happen most times.
There is one thing that I am certain of. Documents of this nature don't get lost, misplaced, accidentally taken, whatever. People knew the minute they were gone. And they are tracked. By ways I can only surmise about.
Anyway, these are things I think about.
Tumbulu
(6,630 posts)I'm not sure the insider was their man, but am open to that possibility as it comforts me to think that the perhaps the documents have not gone out to hostile actors.
It is a freaky freaky time.
Has been ever since he ran for office. I knew when Brexit passed that T would win. I called a friend in deep red Texas and she said exactly the same thing. And nobody believed us.
I kept hoping to be proven wrong.
The think is, I actually think that the 2016 election was rigged in T's favor. And that whatever group did that for him decided not to do it again. Or the rigging system itself is so delicate that being close was good enough in 2016. But 2020 was too decisive. Or all the talking about it being rigged spooked the ones pulling the stunt and they backed off so as to not get caught.
See, conspiracy thinking shines it's light in me, a member of the left, haha!
Saboburns
(2,807 posts)I keep thinking it can't get crazier than this. The next day it gets crazier.
And they, MAGAts, Republicans, Trumpers, get wilder-eyed and doublin'-down. But they're just ham-fisted numbnuts. The most inept gang of crooks, pimps, liars, and thieves.
These are not smart people. This is no slick con. It's just total madness. And then they'll double-down on the madness.
For years, decades, I never could figure out WHY that old Chinese saying was a curse.
May you live in interesting times.
I was under the impression that interesting times would always be a good thing.
I know why that's considered a curse now.
Tumbulu
(6,630 posts)I lived in Arizona for six years in the 90s, and this - what we are going through- was completely predictable.
Once they let those Bundys get away with what they got away with in both Nevada and Oregon, it was clear that these nuts have far more control and sway than the sane population realizes.
This crazy kind of thinking is utterly normal in the rural areas I have worked and lived in my adult life.
But, I actually think that now that the majority of people are finally seeing what those of us (blue in red rural areas) have been experiencing, that the issue might be faced. It must, or the Union is lost.
dalton99a
(94,113 posts)CanonRay
(16,171 posts)Some of these documents should not have even been in the White House, let alone Mar-a-Lardo
Stuart G
(38,726 posts)Trump just cooked his own goose.
Shot himself in the face.
Blew up his own home.
Proved he is stupid beyond stupid.
Time to hide again.& barf.. Then how about a nuke?.or 2?.
OMGWTF
(5,131 posts)Firestorm49
(4,548 posts)Skittles
(171,704 posts)then they have the NERVE to call Dems "elites"
Stuart G
(38,726 posts)gab13by13
(32,318 posts)aggiesal
(10,801 posts)OMGWTF
(5,131 posts)WhatTheFlux
(49 posts)If he wanted to sell the docs, the deal would have gone down and the docs would have been handed over to the buyer long before the raid.
After J-6 backfired, he probably just ordered his minions to box up everything in his desk, including everything he pilfered from various secret meetings, and sent it all to Maga-Lardo.
Tickle
(4,131 posts)Can we just arrest him already? I'm losing my patience with this whole treasonous orange imbecilic ass guy who was never my president. Arrest him now!
That is all