I come not to praise Liz Cheney, but to bury her

[maxrandb]

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Count me among those that are all out of fucks to give about Liz Cheney.

Apparently, I am supposed to feel some remorse for her primary loss, or worse, count her among American heroes like John Paul Jones, David Farragut, Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy.

Liz Cheney was simply slayed by the monster she created. Her deathbed conversion is about as worthless as teats on a bullfrog.

She lost 1 insignificant House seat out of 435, in a fucked up State that Hitler would carry by 47 points if he ran with an "R" next to this name.

In the run-up to 2016, Liz must have appeared on the thankfully now dead Rush Limbaugh program about 1,000 times.

Her fucked up party has so poisoned politics in this country that they have just about killed it.

I proudly served 30 years in the United States Navy. I can't even tune my car radio to an AM station to get a fucking traffic or weather report, without first having to hear some bloviating "bag of dicks" call me a "communist, anti-American French Surrender Monkey" simply because I have a different political philosophy.

We're supposed to pretend that Liz Cheney is a "good Retrumplican", or even a "good person" because she draws the line at a fucking coup?

Sure, she wants to fuck over my mom and kill her Social Security and Medicare, and require 12 year olds to carry their dad's baby to term, but she draws a firm line at murder?

I am sorry that I can't muster a care for Liz, but I am a little busy worrying if my LGBTQ daughter is going to have to live in fear for the rest of her life. I am a little busy worrying if she will be fired, denied housing, lose her rights and be criminalized simply because she is gay. Sorry Liz, but I am also a little busy worrying if one of my nieces may be forced to carry a rapists baby, or die on an operating table because her fetus has a medical condition not covered by whatever the Dipshits in Dumbfuckistan Murika decide is "life threatening"

No! I will shed not a tear for Liz Cheney, but I will simply say, in the immortal words of her daddy; GO FUCK YOURSELF

[JohnSJ]

1. Fortunately our Democratic leaders in Congress are much wiser

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[KPN]

21. Than Cheney?

[Gore1FL]

65. Like the OP, they know who she is, too. nt

[JohnSJ]

84. And they are able to distinguish between a common goal verses a political opponent, and do not go

out of their way to slam the person, while that person is trying to bring trump down. There is a time and a place for everything, and right now, this is the time to work to bring trump down

[Gore1FL]

96. Few common goals with Liz.

She voted with Trump more than 90% of the time. Simply doing her job investigating a coup doesn't make her a hero. The notoriety of it speaks the failures of the GOP than it does her success.

Worship her if you want. Like the OP, I prefer to see her for who and what she is.

[AntiFascist]

98. We don't need to worship her, she is a tool to get Trump out of office forever, so use her! n/t

[JohnSJ]

103. Exactly

[Gore1FL]

108. Let's hope she is as successful getting him out as she was at getting and keeping him in. nt

[JohnSJ]

102. Who is worshiping? I stated very clearly what the common goal was, and that was to remove trump

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No one on the J6, or the Democratic leadership is going to denigrate Cheney while she is working to destroy trump

This isn’t rocket science

And as far as simply “doing her job”, she was named by Pelosi along with Kinzinger to be on the committee, and given the position of Vice Chairperson of the committee

Fortunately the Democrats working with her realize the distinction, and have high praise for her work on the committee

That some seem to have a problem separating the two, is amazing

[betsuni]

127. How many of those legislations were regular GOP things and not Trump things?

Amusing that the 93% Trump votes make Cheney a total Trump supporters but the 93% Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders when they where both in the senate totally proof that Hillary wasn't progressive and corrupt. LOLOLOLOL BULLSHIT.

[Gore1FL]

156. Whatever point you think you are making, you aren't.

Additionally, I don't care.

[maxrandb]

109. Sorry, but Liz Chaney is no different than a 1930s Nazi politician

who was OK with rounding up the Jews, but not quite at the mass murder stage.

[hlthe2b]

114. Hyperbolic much? JHC...!

[maxrandb]

137. Hyperbolic?

You obviously haven't been watching the same Retrumplican Party of the past 3 decades that I have.

Ripping babies from their mothers arms at the border.

Installing Confederate States Dunces on every federal court in the land.

Extorting a foreign country and empowering authoritarians all over this world.

Making 10 year olds carry the fetus of their rapist,

These are all things that Liz was, and still is, in favor of.

The folks that her party has juiced-up with deplorable rhetoric from her own mouth over the past 30 years would have killed whoever they got their hands on during Jan 6.

Make no mistake. If they had gotten to AOC or Speaker Pelosi, they would have hung their broken bodies from a DC bridge like a scene out of Iraq or Iran.

Liz only "changed" when she realized she might be on a rope next to them.

She changed because her life was in danger.

A fitting end to this whole Liz Chaney hero worship shit, would be for the Bundy KKKlan to come armed to the teeth with 500 head of cattle to grange, shit and piss on the Cheney's Wyoming Ranch.

[hlthe2b]

139. Declaring Liz Cheny as such is hyperbolic as hell. If YOU had been paying attention, YOU

would know I and nearly all others here hate Dick Cheney with a passion unparalleled and I have actually had dealings with him in the course of my work decades ago. So, take your accusations of naivete' towards me elsewhere-- It doesn't play.

No one is worshipping Liz. We know who she is. She is not, however, a NAZI, though there are many in her party who would justly qualify. So, yeah, you lose all credibility with that post. Focus your anger where it belongs on the Trumps, the Stephen Millers, the Bannons and all the other ilk on that side. Not on other Duers.

[AnrothElf]

149. *our FFS

[JohnSJ]

151. I know, I screwed up typing on my phone. Is it that big of a deal to you? FFS. Wow, you sure told

me

[leftieNanner]

2. Hear! Hear!

What scares me the most is the fact that she has her eyes on the Oval Office.

Imagine the damage she could do from there.

[emulatorloo]

29. She'll never win the nomination. But she could certainly damage DeSantis etc in the primary

debates. Those 2020 election deniers need to be inviscerated on national TV.

[inthewind21]

31. Hmmm

Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, 2016. You we're saying...

[emulatorloo]

36. It is 2022 now, not 2016. Whole different ballgame.

[PortTack]

71. Yup yup yup

[BlackSkimmer]

86. No shit...

I remember well.

[MontanaMama]

3. Can't argue with anything you said.

While I appreciate Cheney's work on the J6 and her commitment to keeping TFG out of the WH...I know exactly who she is.

[ShazzieB]

122. Me, too.

I know exactly try who she is, but that doesn't keep me from appreciating her contribution to nailing Trump's ass to the wall.

Likewise I appreciate her contribution to nailing Trump's ass to the wall, but that doesn't change the fact that I know exactly who she is.

[FoxNewsSucks]

4. I agree completely.

I'm glad she's helping, but that's it for praise. Continue to take her help, then remember everything you posted because that is the only issue she's good for.

[Initech]

5. I'm no Liz Cheney fan but the thought of her getting replaced with an ultra far right MAGA nutjob...

With no political experience and her only claim to fame is her loyalty to Trump, is absolutely frightening. The GOP is out for blood and they are going to purge everyone who is disloyal to Trump. And if given the chance they would go full Nazi and that includes jailing and/or executing anyone who isn't 100% loyal to the Orange Fuhrer. If anyone isn't outraged by this they are not paying attention.

[inthewind21]

25. It's

a bit late for that. The damage is done. If you think Liz Cheney's "political experience" is of any use bear in mind she JUST voted NO in lockstep with her fellow loons on the IRA AND she voted 93% of the time WITH Trump. So do tell, what's the difference? other than Trump is in your face, Liz prefers to keep her lunacy in the shadows. Liz has found a way to elevate herself in the spotlight in hopes she can soon continue her fuckery in the shadows, where she prefers it.

[Initech]

39. I'm sounding the alarm based on what I'm seeing and reading.

The fact that the MAGA loyalists in the GOP seem to be growing and the few that are remaining silent or going against the cult is frightening. The last thing I want is a Congress full of MAGA Q nuts like Marjorie Greene and Lauren Boebert. Just think the damage they could do in a few weeks. Again, I'm no Liz Cheney fan but what I've seen from the MAGAs lately around social media and in real life should scare anybody. They're going for loyalists and that won't be good for anybody.

[underpants]

59. Numbers

As you know, turnout in primaries is always lower but his people will turn out. To the voters it’s also a show of loyalty and convincing themselves they hadn’t made a huge mistake.

The candidates they are putting up are worse and worse. It very well may cost them what was supposed to be a fairly easy retaking of the Senate.

[calimary]

144. This.

Desperately seeking verification and validation to convince themselves that “they hadn’t made a huge mistake”.

BINGO. “We won. That (implicitly) HAS TO mean we’re right.”

There’s the old “WE have God on OUR side” bullshit, just updated and “Trumped-up.” “Trumpdated” perhaps?

It’s like a sick, sour and thoroughly cockeyed rewrite of “with a name like Smuckers, it has to be good.”

They found their “golden calf.” That may explain why they cling to him with almost desperate passion.

[treestar]

40. +1

The bad news is they voted for her last time but now that she at least acknowledges reality, the constituency chooses to replace her with someone who doesn't.

[Gore1FL]

66. The votes won't be all that much different. nt

[leftstreet]

6. DURec

[dchill]

7. I wonder how many of us there are. 👍

[Baggies]

8. She's a neo-con

Same as the never-Trumpers. They’re pissed because they aren’t in charge anymore. Simple as that.

[Pacifist Patriot]

62. This

[agingdem]

69. She agreed to serve on the J6 committee

for two reasons..(1) she hates Trump more than she hates Democrats (2) she wants revenge on those former caucus members instrumental in ousting her from her leadership posts..Jim Jordan, Matt Gaetz, and Kevin McCarthy in particular..Liz may not have created today's rancid Republican Party, but she has spent a lifetime perpetuating it...her supposed flash of conscience does not absolve her of a vile 93% party over country voting record...

[Firestorm49]

9. I feel the same about Romney.

[pamdb]

10. I agree

Liz voted with trump 93% of the time.

I respect her for her Jan 6th committee work but that's about it.

re: your daughter. I don't know what state you're in, but if I was 40 yrs younger clutching
my masters degree in one hand and my passport in the other, I'd be looking towards Canada.

Even though my husband and I are old (70's) we've still thought about it but it's not like
we would be contributing to their economy and we are trapped by Medicare. But we've thought
about it, only 3 hours to the Blue Water Bridge!

[Brainfodder]

11. One good deed doesn't not make up for the rest, agree!

All the lockstep creepy Rep. denial votes, haha Liz, goodbye.

Floating her for president, also hilarious!

[LakeArenal]

12. For me, Liz is okay.

When she told Jim Jordan to get effed, he created Jan 6, I thought that’s the real Liz. Her party went too far even for a Cheney.

I’m always amazed how GW’s Nicole Wallace and Hillary hater Steve Schmidt are all redeemed in many eyes but someone like Cheney who just might save Democracy is still a person non-grata.

That now Wyoming has taken the GOP back to 1920 but we still have to hate Liz.

I appreciate her as much as Wallace or Schmidt.

[Irish_Dem]

13. The Cheneys would slit our throats as we sleep in our beds.

And I don't mean that metaphorically.

And her crusade against Trump almost certainly started out entirely self-serving, as a path to her dream of the White House.

That said, she has stood up to her MAGA colleges, perhaps saw the end of her rising career, and did something good for the country.

I am glad the she received the Kennedy Profile in Courage Award.
I hope she gets some sort of reward down the line.

[sop]

14. Like Jeff Flake, Bob Corker and all the other Republicans who have been disappeared from the

Republican party for simply daring to criticize Trump, Liz will likely meet the same fate. I can't imagine Cheney being a viable Republican primary candidate in 2024; MAGA voters in red states will reject her just like they did in Wyoming.

Her only option would be to run as an independent. If Trump looks like he's going to win the nomination again, she could peel off enough Republican votes in the general election to defeat Trump.

[emulatorloo]

32. She can run in the primary and invicerate every 2020 election denier in the debates

[sop]

41. She already tried that in Wyoming. She lost by 37 points.

Eviscerating election deniers won't work with GOP primary voters, they're mostly election deniers themselves.

[emulatorloo]

43. Enviscerating election deniers on national TV could well influence GENERAL election voters.

I don't think she has any delusions she’d win a Republican presidential primary.

Her goal would be to keep Trump and Trump clones out of the WH. JMHO, she may not run.

[sop]

53. Rubio, Bush, Graham, Cruz, Kasich, Romney et al eviscerated Trump during the 2016 primaries.

It didn't do any good. One by one they were bounced out of by MAGA primary voters. Trump was nominated and then elected president. What could Liz Cheney say about Trump during the 2024 primaries that hasn't already been said thousands of times before, with little or no effect?

[Ruby the Liberal]

80. Can you even imagine?

Wow - what a disaster they would be.

[LeftInTX]

113. She will have a career, but she won't run for office

Her dad has all those connections. She'll be with a neocon think-tank or something like that. Or get a gig as a commentator. (I think she was one at Fox before she ran for office)

[akbacchus_BC]

15. Agree with you. She is still a con and should join with the Lincoln Project cons and

form their own party so that the votes would be divided against the rethugs in 2024. She should be commended for her work on the J6 Committee, nothing more.

[ananda]

16. I hear you.

She helped build the party we see now.

[Effete Snob]

17. Who knew bullfrogs had teats?

[underpants]

42. They don't.

A friend told me. Very good friend of mine.


https://feedingnature.com/what-do-baby-bullfrogs-eat/

[Effete Snob]

48. I never understood a single word he said

[Hermit-The-Prog]

124. He always had some mighty fine wine.

[ashredux]

18. Use her....don't praise her

[Autumn]

19. I want that party dead and buried. Fuck them all. There is not one decent Republican

in office

[Elessar Zappa]

20. She's not our friend in ordinary times but

these aren’t ordinary times. We need all hands on deck to defend democracy and if one of those hands belongs to a conservative then so be it.

[Celerity]

70. Defend democracy? She voted against voter rights and cheered on the overturning of Roe, etc etc.

She is NOT a friend.

[BadgerMom]

22. Dem WY House candidate is Lynette Grey Bull

Give here.

https://www.greybullforcongress.com/

[BlueCheeseAgain]

95. If Dems win 400 seats out of 435...

Wyoming will be one of the last 35. It's a lost cause.

[LoCo Cat Lady]

23. Hear, Hear!

Truth!

[bringthePaine]

24. with you 100%! she'll return in other garb, with the same old shit she's always slung...

[WarGamer]

26. Agreed... and disagree a little bit.

Liz Cheney was NOT (metaphorically) slain by the monster she created.

More accurately... Liz was metaphorically slain by the animal in the cage her Party had been abusing for decades.

Remember what neocons are. Neocons don't give a shit about God, gays and guns... or abortion. They don't care about religious liberty or the "working man". Those are red meat bones they toss to the "lessers" once every 2-4 years.

Neocons care about POWER and MONEY.

Neoconservatism is 20/21st Century American Imperialism.

They started drooling at the fall of the USSR and put in place a plan for American Hegemony.

Fast forward a couple decades and Shrub/Cheney/Kristol/Wolfowitz and their buddies currently in the Lincoln Project got their dream come true. A blatant declaration of WAR against the USA which allowed sweeping changes to laws and policies, even leading to an immoral and illegal war, the most egregious since Hitler invaded Poland in 1939.

Trump rolls along and says "The neocons are RINOS, they hate you, lied to you and use you. Fuck the "elites" and K-Street Republicans."

Trump energizes an entire class of voters including bigots, racists, blue collar folks and previously disaffected voters.

Liz and Daddy's Party was destroyed by Trump. For good.

In my eyes...
Good riddance. Fuck the neocons and Fuck the Trumpists.

[peace frog]

27. Thank you for saying the quiet part out loud

Liz Cheney is an extreme right wing conservative hell-bent on destroying everything revered by the Democrats.
If you care about maintaining liberal values and goals, ffs stop praising her! She is not now nor will ever be your friend.
Thanks again, maxrandb.

[SamKnause]

28. Exactly.

You expressed my feelings well.

[Bread and Circuses]

30. Agree!

I was going to post a similar thought and I read yours and loved it! 👏

Liz Cheney voted with Trump 93% of the time.

She is hard right, ultra-wingnut.

Yes. She did show conviction to stand up for the Constitution and against Sedition, threats, bullying, etc. But, she was fully all-in with Trump. . . Until he started to act on his threats to dismantle this country and bring Russian spies into all aspects of W.H. DOJ, Pentagon, etc.

So, I will grab a shovel and help you bury her too.

She's floating a plan to run for President? On the Republican Ticket? I can't see her going third party, she knows that is an immediate loss.

[littlemissmartypants]

33. Who really believes she joined the J6 committee out of reverence for the Constitution?

She got herself a high profile media gig where she's getting lots of free airtime. It's a completely self serving endeavor. It has everything to do with her ego. Nothing else.

[fightforfreedom]

50. I do not believe that.

[littlemissmartypants]

54. Which part?

[BlueCheeseAgain]

97. I do.

Unless you think she wanted to lose her seat in Congress?

[littlemissmartypants]

123. If she knew she would lose her seat why bother to run at all? So she could see how badly she'd lose?

Hubris kept her on the campaign trail just like it put her on the committee. We can call her brave or just another entitled Republican. I don't think she's brave.

[genxlib]

34. I owe Liz Chaney nothing

However, her loss disturbs me because what it means for national politics.

Every time we have a round of purges from the GOP, the party simply gets more right wing.

Every time a defector is booted, it makes it harder for future defectors to summon the courage.

This process has been going on for decades now and it has reached critical mass.

I don't mourn the loss of this Liz Cheney.

I fear we will never see another.

[Skittles]

35. THANK YOU

and FUCK ALL OF THEM

[underpants]

38. I can not recommend this enough.

....and the horse Dick Cheney rode in on too.

[BlueJac]

44. Well said.

[Alliepoo]

45. Dang! Righteous rant!

I logged in just so I can bookmark your post!! And I can’t say I disagree with you!

[IronLionZion]

46. Bury the GOP

They have been throwing out anyone who doesn't toe the increasingly extremist line. They have the Supreme Court. So there are fewer checks and balances against any future Trump-style president like DeSantis or Hawley or whoever they nominate next.

[rurallib]

47. The way I see it she's been right on one issue

and is trying to make a career out of it.

Same with Mike Pence. He did one fucking thing right as VP and that at the very end and only because he couldn't figure a way to do Trump's bidding. Now he expects big praise for it.

Remember Cheney was a Trump sycophant until his attack on congress.

[fightforfreedom]

49. It is OK to hate Llz and her father but remember this.

The speech Liz gave was not a speech of surrender, it was a declaration of war against Trump. She and her father want to destroy Trump and I support that. Dick Cheney is an asshole, but that asshole has very powerful friends. I believe there are very powerful people in the Republican Party who have had enough of Trump and they are going to do everything they can to ruin Trump.

I welcome that.

[JohnSJ]

55. The threat is very real, and your analysis is right. This has nothing to do with agreeing with her

politics, that isn’t going to happen, it is doing everything to stop the destruction of our country, and if that means a temporary alliance to destroy trump and his cult from every gaining power, then you do it. The stakes are too high

[PortTack]

75. Agree completely!

[betsuni]

83. Exactly.

[electric_blue68]

117. Yes, a temporary alliance is fine by me bc she is ...

so fiercely against Drumphf!

We need all the help we can get to hopefully indict, and convict him! /)-------------¢
[ no handcuffs emoji ]

Then we can go back to fighting her and other Neo-cons etc tooth & nail ! 👍🥊v🥊

[JohnSJ]

135. +++. Just working together to prevent him from ever getting power again.

[electric_blue68]

159. That's THE Plan! 👍 ...

(Then the boxing gloves go back on)

[summer_in_TX]

106. Analysis of Liz's intent on the PBS Newshour agrees.

The analyst interviewed was asked if she thought Liz Cheney would run for President.

I was sure she'd say no, Liz is a realist and know there's no way she could win in the Republican primaries because only the most extreme and committed voters turnout then. And of course I know there's no way she would or could run as a Dem successfully and I don't think she would make a third party run.

To my surprise, she said she's convinced Cheney will run for President in the Republican party, not because she is under the illusion she can win, but because she wants to share the stage and attack Trumpism and the anti-democracy forces the GOP has unleashed.

I don't know though, because I'd think she'd be weeded out early on if she didn't get sufficient support in early primary states. The party is likely to try to keep her off such a stage.

[electric_blue68]

116. I'm in agreement here.

[CarlitosMMT]

51. Bravo

Best post by anyone in long time.
The standard for applauding Republicans needs to be much higher than just breaking with a coup.
The last thing we need Dems to do is rally around a Margaret Thatcher Iron Lady on the right.
And if she does run, it will hurt Biden/Dems so posts mentioning that positively should be banned for violating TOS. I got banned once for speaking positively of an operation chaos type thing for Buddy Roemer’s primary campaign in states Obama was not going to win.

[Mr. Ected]

52. Show of hands: who in this audience was going to vote for her because of her J6 work?

Just what I thought.

Feel free to hate on Liz Cheney. If she was up against a Dem, I'd vote for the Dem 100 times out of 100 and so would you.

But when it comes to fighting for democracy over tyranny, I'll support whomever is in democracy's corner, even if she was responsible for the present state of Republican politics. We need all the allies we can get right now in fighting Trump's GOP.

I'm not shedding any tears for Liz, but I'll applaud her every word when it comes to taking down the fascist element within her own despicable party.

[FakeNoose]

152. Absolutely true about Ms. Cheney

However if she runs for President in 2024, it means she'll be sucking votes away from Chump - not from our Dem candidate. (Presumably it's Biden, unless something changes.)

Liz has to run the gauntlet of primaries vs. Chump (also perhaps DeSantis) and that will be the big tell. Can she hang in there and beat Chump? I tend to think not, but there have been bigger surprises in my lifetime. I won't bet the ranch on any Repuke candidate. Chump isn't a shoo-in, and neither would be Cheney or DeSantis.

Joe Biden can beat any of them, just line them up. He's got this!

Liz Cheney doesn't need the government paycheck, she's in this to make history. So I give her credit.

[Mr.Bill]

56. Count me in, OP.

Note that she has not expressed any remorse for all the republican points she has fought for. It's because she has none. She wants forgiveness without remorse or rehabilitation. Every thing she has done or said in recent months was about thinking she could position herself for a run at the White House. Huge miscalculation on her part.

[Evolve Dammit]

57. GO FUCK YOURSELF. Just like Dear Old Dad on the House Floor to Patrick Leahy. x1000!!

[Jakes Progress]

58. And don't forget, that during this time when Dems keep praising her

she has voted lock step with turtle trying to stop anything good happening for anyone who isn't rich.

That goes for Murkowski, Romney, and any other supposedly "good" republican.

[DownriverDem]

60. We need a viable

repub party, but I don't think it will happen anytime soon.

[Celerity]

73. No we don't.

We need a viable repub party.

That is like saying we need a 'regular' flu (that still kills around 300,000 to 650,000 or more globally each year), as long as the 1918 Spanish version doesn't come back.

[Gore1FL]

81. We need a healthy two-party system.

One party rule, even by the Democrats, is not a system I want to live under.

[Celerity]

85. That is not what was claimed. I see over and over, as was done here, that a

REPUBLICAN party (by its very nature extremely, off the charts, RW when it comes to economics for instance) is needed.

A healthy nation NEVER needs an American style (not even talking MAGAt madness) traditional Republican party. It is disastrous when that type of party gets into power.

In the past 100 plus years, Sweden and other nations have never remotely had an American style ultra RW oligarchic, constantly driven to extreme deregulation, rentier profit-taking, and CORPORATE socialism-enabling profits always privatised, losses very often socialised) party in elected power for any significant extent of time.

The fact that Americans think the only viable (or even possible) outcomes to a 2 party system are a wildly RW party (which had been ludicrously sold a just a normal thing) and then a catchall centre to sorta left party that battles as best it can but NEVER gets a run at HARDCORE enactment of it's policies like the Rethugs do of theirs, is one of the biggest gaslighting jobs in human history.

The entire American political axis is badly broken, long before Reagan, Bush, Bush, and Rump came along.

Look at Louisiana. That is what long term American style Rethug RW (and again, no, not even MAGAt, just bog standard RW Rethugism) does.

Here: (brilliant short video)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217055890

[TomSlick]

61. Everything you said is factually accurate - but -

Rep Chaney knew a defeat in a GQP primary was inevitable when she agreed to serve on the investigation committee. Doing the right thing knowing the political costs is a rare thing today and must be at least noted.

It is also true that the GQP candidate will be far worse than Chaney and is certain to win in the general election.

[Jay25]

63. Hear, hear!

[iemanja]

64. Yey, you got a certifiable nut job instead

An election denier and opponent of Democracy. You can celebrate that.

[maxrandb]

110. If the nutbag votes 92% with Donnie Dipshit

she would be done percentage point better than Liz.

I'll take my chances.

Hell, if she votes 100% with Donnie Dipshit, she'd only be 7 percent worse.

[iemanja]

141. Now you've got 100%

Including No vote for impeaching Trump and a woman who has declared war on democracy. Congratulations. God forbid you have to have to suffer the existence of an anti-trumper, fierce defender of democracy who you happen to disagree with. Better to promote the worst of the worst. Come Nov. you may well have the congress of your dreams. America, on the other hand, won’t survive it.

[LeftInTX]

155. She will likely be another Marjorie Taylor Greene

Who knows? Maybe the MAGATS will like her so much that she will run for president and win someday.

There's bad and they're worse than bad. Pick your poison


But carry on....

[Heather MC]

67. This exactly what I was gonna say, before you said it

But then you said it and I was like wow, My words how 🤣🤣🤣
She cheered on the decision to end roe, she's no hero of mine oh my female heroes respect the vagina, And our right to choose when we want to put our lives on the line to bring a life into this world

Fuck her

[JHB]

68. Yep. She gets a "participated" trophy and a golf clap, nothing better.

We're all still monsters to them. She's still on board to turn this country into a banana republic, just not one with The Howler Monkey and Fam in charge.

[Wounded Bear]

72. Yeah, she may have done 1 thing right, but she's still a Cheney republican...

[tiredtoo]

74. Dittos

But i think she can still be helpful in dividing the gqp.

[Snackshack]

76. Hard to argue...

Against this post. If the gop was not becoming a fascist party Liz would still be beating the war drums against all social improvement programs that try to educate and raise people out of poverty… the gop likes impoverished, uneducated, unmotivated simpletons. They can tell people like that anything they want, Hillary is the anti-christ, Schumer wants to destroy America etc and those people will buy it hook line & sinker.

[maxrandb]

111. Impoverished, uneducated, unmotivated simpletons

In other words, Wyoming Voters.

[Handler]

77. I would never vote for Chaney

However I can see bravery in my enemy. She knew she would likely be defeated in her primary. Yet she stood up and looked the beast in the eye and challenged it. I hope we all can be as brave. Again I would not ever vote for her but I now have a bit of respect for her. YMMV

[BannonsLiver]

78. I think you're overthinking it.

Also had no idea AM radio was still a thing. Kinda neat.

[JohnSJ]

79. I think Shakespeare would agree

[Lunabell]

82. She emblazoned these idiots!

It's partially her fault!!

[yardwork]

87. Great rant!!!!

[NH Ethylene]

88. It's actually possible to respect her actions yet abhor her political philosophy.

I really appreciate what she has done on behalf of democracy. She could have tucked her head down and said nothing, like Romney and others, and be reelected easily. She is the only Republican that has come out and full-throatily condemned Trump. The J6 committee would not have the bipartisan credibility if she had not stepped up. It's very possible that her presence on J6 will have made the difference between Trump being indicted - or not.

But at the same time I would never want her to become president! She is far too conservative, in all the ways you have pointed out. It is important that people remember all these horrible policies she supports, but it is not necessary to lather up hatred toward her.

[Solly Mack]

89. K&R

Careful. You'll be accused of parroting/sounding like Trump.

Basically saying we sound like MAGAS for not agreeing with their opinion of Cheney.

Such accusations are against DU rules as they attribute negative motives to a group or individual and amount to name-calling.

Not that it has stopped some from repeatedly breaking that rule today in an attempt to cast aspersions on those voicing dislike for Cheney.

[Meowmee]

90. A lot of truth here

Maybe, hopefully, she will play a role in stopping dump. As bad as she is she is still better than the q psycho who will take her place.

Amicus meus, inimicus inimici mei

[H2O Man]

91. Recommended.

Very well said. You have a way with words.

[AntiFascist]

92. Keep in mind that Liz Cheney's sister is a lesbian...

The reason I joined DU and adopted my DU identity is primarily because of Dick Cheney's administration and its practices. However, I don't think this is right time to vilify Liz Cheney. There are more Jan 6 hearings to come and Cheney is the one of the most prominent non-Democratic voices speaking against Trump that we need right now.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

93. A couple of things.

(By the way, it's Cheney, not Chaney.)

I think Democrats are more worried about what Cheney's loss says, than what it says about the Republican Party. In today's GOP, even someone as conservative as Liz Cheney, who ticks off all the boxes of right-wing policy (as you mention), is not acceptable, because she actually takes a stand against an attempted coup. That is frightening, because it says that the GOP is nothing more than a personality cult.

I do think she deserves some praise for going against her party and sacrificing her political career for it. I don't think anyone on this site puts her among the company of Lincoln. People think she's a good situational ally, not a hero.

[LeftInTX]

115. Exactly...

She has helped the Dems on the Hill this session.
One less ally in 2023

[SouthBayDem]

94. Count me in as Never Cheney

Her father did enough damage to the country at it is. Liz voting to impeach an even worse abuser of authority shows how low the standards have gotten.

[Raine]

99. TOTALLY agree, I never could stand her or her evil father and nothing will convince me

otherwise. I'm taking great pleasure in her BIG defeat and hope to never hear the Cheney name again.

[SYFROYH]

100. I think you underestimate teats on a bullfrog.

🐸

[sybylla]

101. YESSSSSS!

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

How low has the bar sunk when a GOPpie can "redeem" themselves for all the horrible things they have said and done by simply doing their GD job: defending the constitution?

I am so tired of hearing liberals giving her an ounce of defense. She most vociferously helped build this monster. That it's eating her is no surprise.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

104. Remember that Mussolini made the trains run on time.

That was always used as a defense of him. Like the trains mattered more than war and the murder of Jews.

[BradAllison]

105. She was fine with stolen elections when her father and cronies benefited.

End of story.

[live love laugh]

107. Righteous rant‼️

[hay rick]

112. Your post reeks of ingratitude.

We should never let the merely evil be the enemy of the more evil or the most evil.

[myohmy2]

118. all...

...patriotic Americans must join forces to defeat trump and his fascists to save our Constitution, democracy and rule of law...

...or trump and his fascists will walk through our political divide and destroy our democracy and country...

...I love being a Democrat but I love my country more...

...will you shed a tear for our country if we lose?

...

[KentuckyWoman]

119. Amen.

[Grown2Hate]

120. OK, I'll admit I was sucked in to her love of

country over party and her work on the J6 Committee, but your RIGHTEOUS rant knocks it back into perspective for me. Always despised her actual POLICY stances, but you can't really separate the two. And what a low bar we've set.

[JI7]

121. No thanks . I didn't read the OP

but there are so many Republicans that are deserving of hate and posts full of hate right now. Liz Cheney is not one of them at the moment.

If she is in the future again then I might agree. But not right now .

[Hermit-The-Prog]

125. Stalin helped defeat Hitler, but I wouldn't sit down to eat with him.

[867-5309.]

131. That's an interesting comparison

She's not Stalin, of course, but when a goal is so crucial you have to accept help where you can get it.

[jerseyjim]

126. A new morning has come

and we are, once again seeing the dirt under the rug.

[betsuni]

128. So?

[Roy Rolling]

129. What's your suggestion?

Demonize her? What are you advocating for, or is this just letting off steam?

Frustration with newfound and over-the-top Cheney worshippers is noted.

I agree. But I’ll save my criticism for after she’s finished trying to bring down TFG and his devotees.

[Kaleva]

130. I won't join with TFG in attacking his enemies

Bring in the company of freepers, Magahats, and Q-Anon isn't where I'd want to be.

You and all the others who agree with you can if you wish.

[Lars39]

132. The January 6 Committee has been very

careful to say that Trump should pay for the crime of incitement, etc.
Cheney revealed her plan to run for president by saying that it was all about making sure Trump couldn’t run again.
Self-serving git is what she is.

[The Jungle 1]

133. Wyoming supports and celebrates treason.

We can ignore Cheney now. However we cannot ignore Wyoming.
Recipients of Subtotal, Farming Subsidies from farms in Wyoming totaled $317,424,000 in from 1995-2020‡.
https://farm.ewg.org/top_recips.php?fips=56000&progcode=totalfarm&regionname=Wyoming
Wyoming = socialism

[imavoter]

134. is the Democrat going to beat the new Trumpy R winner?

Doubtful.

So now we'll have another nut job in Congress.

[Saoirse9]

136. I respect her most recent choices

But if she had voted to impeach him she would have simply been doing her job.

She voted not to impeach.

She has been eaten by the monster she enabled. Too bad too sad.

[seta1950]

138. Exactly

Thank you

[Mad_Machine76]

140. The ONLY good thing that I will say about Cheney and Kinzinger

is that, unlike most Republicans whom have spoken out against Trump, they did it while they were IN office and are paying the price for contributing to the J6 committee. But she and Kinzinger are trash otherwise and I'm not sad they're both going away after this.

[Zambero]

142. GOP establishment-types such as Liz Cheney need not be praised or emulated

However, compared to the neo-Nazi Visigoths that are systematically replacing them, there should be no doubt as to who the far greater evil is.

[Lithos]

143. Look

There is a difference between Cheney and Trump.

Trump wants to burn the system down and establish himself at the top. Cheney just wants to keep the status quo of the current GOP. Neither are great, but there is a distinct difference between the two. Add to that a very personal hatred between the two of them.

The Democratic Leadership knows this difference and accepts Cheney does not want to burn everything down. She still has her usefulness in diluting Trump's strength in the GOP.

If you look at the Conservative bloc - even though they may despise Trump, they will never vote for Biden given their hatred of the Democratic Party. I would rather them vote for Cheney when they go to the polls rather than a straight GOP ticket which is what they will do otherwise. Am I going to send her money? Of course not - but letting her have her place in the dialog is sufficient for her to dilute Trump's opportunity.

Or if you want - let her be the Jill Stein of the GOP.

L-

[DemocratSinceBirth]

146. She was third in leadership.

However we would have never heard about her had she not vociferously opposed Trunp.

[MadMike47]

145. As long as she's doing her best to destroy the current Republican Party

I'm with her. But I agree with you. Never forget that she's also evil in her own way.

[Notokwith2day]

147. Ok to bury

I commend her standing up to tfg at the same time welcome the disruption she will cause within the repugnant's

[geardaddy]

148. Thank you!

I posted something similar yesterday. Her voting record is atrocious
Here's her voting record for the past couple of months:
https://justfacts.votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/171319/liz-cheney

08/12/2022 - Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 - No
07/29/2022 - Assault Weapons Ban of 2022 - No
07/29/2022 - Big Cat Public Safety Act - No
07/29/2022 - Continental Divide Trail Completion Act - No
07/28/2022 - Supreme Court Security Funding Act of 2022 (CHIPS and Science Act of 2022) - Yes
07/27/2022 - South Asian Heart Awareness and Research Act of 2022 -Yes
07/27/2022 - Advancing Telehealth Beyond COVID-19 Act of 2021 - Yes
07/27/2022 - Susan Muffley Act of 2022 - No
07/21/2022 - Right to Contraception Act - Yes
07/20/2022 - Transportation, Housing and Urban Development, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2023 - No
07/19/2022 - Respect for Marriage Act - Yes
07/18/2022 - Expressing support for the sovereign decision of Finland and Sweden to apply to join the North Atlantic Treaty Org - Yes
07/15/2022 - Women's Health Protection Act of 2022 - Did Not Vote
07/15/2022 - Ensuring Access to Abortion Act of 2022 - Did Not Vote
07/15/2022 - Formula Act - Did Not Vote
07/14/2022 - National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2023 - Yes
07/13/2022 - Active Shooter Alert Act of 2022 - Yes
07/13/2022 - Honoring our PACT Act of 2022 - Yes
06/24/2022 - Bipartisan Safer Communities Act -Yes
06/23/2022 - LGBTQI+ Data Inclusion Act - No
06/16/2022 - Meat and Poultry Special Investigator Act of 2022 - No
06/15/2022 -Federal Reserve Racial and Economic Equity Act - No
06/14/2022 - Recovering America's Wildlife Act of 2021 - No
06/09/2022 - Federal Extreme Risk Protection Order Act of 2021 - No
06/08/2022 - Protecting Our Kids Act - No

[housecat]

150. Liz is a perfect example of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." But I don't trust her.

True, she is a force on the J6 Committee, and presently, anti-Trump, which is admirable. But her record as a Republican voting with Republicans during the Trump reign of terror, indicates that she has another agenda. For the moment, I thank her for her recent J6 stardom and influence on some old-time Republicans. As much as I despise her father, she may reach the part of his base that hasn't lost their minds. Maybe. Still, she is one of two Republicans who didn't vote yes with every Democrat on the historic infrastructure bill. Maybe she knew it woulds still pass without her. For the moment, her focus is to prevent Trump from ever holding office, and that's good with me.

[LeftInTX]

153. Please bury the candidate who beat her on Tuesday. Cheney is already buried.

Take the rest of the MAGATS with you.

Thank You!

[DonCoquixote]

154. to the greatest page

this is the truth that we as democrats should not be forced so swallow because some are so desperate for GOP allies.

PS: If they ever get Trump in jail, just remember Liz, your dad did stuff equally as bad.

[anamnua]

157. It's no exaggeration to say

that the survival of American democracy is now crucially dependent on the Liz Cheneys of this world.

[anamnua]

158. When the issue of a third party comes up everyone mentions Nader

What about Ross Perot who effectively handed 1992 to Bill?

[MOMFUDSKI]

160. Fabulous Rant

Thanks for that.

[BobTheSubgenius]

161. As those black Marines said, so many years ago...

"That was righteous, brother."