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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDuer duhneece is targeted by a right-wing domestic terrorist.
I thought my friend Donna was a wee bit paranoid. She phoned me Thursday before last to tell me to be extra cautious as my name had been mentioned by the election-denier, grifter, attorney David Clements during a county commission meeting, packed full with right-wing supporters of Clements and Cowboys for Trump, Jan 6 criminal Couy Griffin. Clements complained bitterly that I had filed an official complaint against him with the New Mexico Supreme Court and my complaint had initiated an investigation.
Then over last weekend, he complained about me again in a Facebook post. I got a few more calls and folks tell me that they think our county is where the next civil war begins or next mass shooting.
Then he posted a video. He says in the video that he has over 100,000 followers and whines that my complaint is taking food from his childrens mouths.
Video here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lgDzJapXp-pBpFQZZDELlipxjsRmgOOy/view
More about Clements here, including NPR, report: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216961511
Clements friend, Couy Griffin uses tactics of normalizing violence with his speeches he made when he joined Women for America First on the bus tour across the country. He urged Trump supporters to rally at the Capitol on Jan. 6, saying there should be martial law and we are a nation at war. He continued to speak favorably of the riot in the days after the attack in videos he posted on social media.
Witness at Couys 14th Amendment trial to remove him from office last week, Rachel Kleinfeld said during his trial that Griffin in those public statements consistently used tactics that can incite people to become violent.
Clements and his telegram followers use these same tactics during their recruitment meetings on his social media that normalize violence, by saying things like using terms like firing squads as seen in this telgram shot from his channel.
Remember, this is the county where our commissioners The only good Democrat is a dead Democrat video got retweeted by the former President. Same commissioner who has been banned by the Mescalero Apache reservation. Same commission district that my friend Stephanie DuBois is running for. We are doing all we can to stop this madness but we need your help. We need your support. This is what we have to counter.
Donate here: https://secure.actblue.com/donate/dufordubois22
dameatball
(7,396 posts)thought, not so hard to believe I suppose. Donation sent.
duhneece
(4,112 posts)We feel like were Ground Zero for threats of violence.
Marthe48
(16,935 posts)When people like clements or griffin call for martial law, they mean mob rule.
duhneece
(4,112 posts)But theyre just grifting.. .and issuing veiled threats. I wont back down.
mgardener
(1,816 posts)Tell her thank you
duhneece
(4,112 posts)We CAN turn red counties blue
Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)duhneece
(4,112 posts)Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Stay safe.
Try not to worry about their threats. Put 911 on speed dial. Call the FBI. Make a complaint there. They take these things seriously.
duhneece
(4,112 posts)by our Republicans.
I am considering asking them officially if Clements reported me as having made threats to his family. THAT I would like documented
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)The local cops took a report, but so did the FBI, maybe because most of the threats came from out of state. Anyway, I 100% know what you are going through. Don't let the creeps get to you. Most are far too chicken to act. They simply hope to scare you into silence.
duhneece
(4,112 posts)I AM going to report to them and document whether Clements reported my making threats as he said I did.
Thank you for standing up to the fascist!
duhneece
(4,112 posts)Honestly, 25 years ago I wouldnt have understood, but this is where I go to vent, celebrate, inform myself, feel understood, express absolute despair and get a backbone, feel curiosity, gain a sense of strength.
duhneece
(4,112 posts)Farmer-Rick
(10,154 posts)They just want to incite violence and mob rule in order to control America for their profit. They want to make those who don't agree with their political/religious idiocy suffer and live in constant fear. The states are way too intertwined with finances and econonmies to pull away. It will cost their filthy rich backers way too much profit, loot and federal subsides.
"Griffin in those public statements consistently used tactics that can incite people to become violent.
Clements and his telegram followers use these same tactics during their recruitment meetings on his social media that normalize violence, by saying things like using terms like firing squads."
This is the very definition of terrorism. Stochastic Terrorism: the public demonization of a person or group resulting in the incitement of a violent act, which is statistically probable but whose specifics cannot be predicted.
I don't think our justice system understands Stochastic Terrorism and allows it to flourish.
duhneece
(4,112 posts)DU has inspired me speak up, given me a sense of power to do what needs to be done, including filing for information or making an attorney complaint to our Supreme Court (I think in some states the states Bae Association handles them)
Farmer-Rick
(10,154 posts)Maybe start educating our political system on how terrorism works.
duhneece
(4,112 posts)Ill report it and ask if Clements reported my threats this week.
KS Toronado
(17,199 posts)but one of the tell tell signs when someone is lying is they blink a lot when telling their story.
Clements blinks a lot in the supplied video, he's lying his ass off. Please stay safe.
duhneece
(4,112 posts)We try to be observant during our rallies and going & coming from meetings but have expressed our awareness of the potential for violence.
We wont back down. We wont remain silent.
BComplex
(8,036 posts)The guys Duhneece is talking about ARE lying. You should watch videos of their meetings.
burrowowl
(17,638 posts)duhneece
(4,112 posts)It really is a family
Wednesdays
(17,342 posts)duhneece
(4,112 posts)Were in the process of designing/ ordering signs, creating materials for canvassing, all the social media platforms
We are getting stronger every day. More people are attending meetings and speaking ip, becoming informed
.
All with your help.
StephanieDubois
(22 posts)Hekate
(90,645 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Stay safe!
duhneece
(4,112 posts)I dont let the bastards get me down.
StephanieDubois
(22 posts)I was at the meeting where the Clements presented their claims that have already been refuted by the NM SOS and a Congressional committee.
https://www.alamogordonews.com/story/news/2022/08/18/us-congressional-report-says-otero-county-commissioners-taken-in-by-grifters-spreading-misinformatio/65404903007/
The county commissioners just sat there and let Clements talk about you you for their own propoganda film, and I wasn't the only person in the audience disgusted by their actions.
This isn't going to end until we can get the people that align themselves with the Clements out of office.
Thank you all for the donations.
TygrBright
(20,758 posts)(You may already be doing this; they may have told you not to talk about that, so excuse me if I'm covering ground you've already gone over.)
Collect all the evidence you can. The screen shots from social media, the communications from friends detailing where and how they have heard your name mentioned with potentially menacing intent, etc.
Package this evidence with a cover that explains how/why you feel particularly vulnerable, without too many details.
Then, first communicate with 1) Grisham's office; 2) Tim Johnson's (State Police) office, and 3) Jason Bowie's (Dept. of Public Safety) office. Let each of them know you are sharing the same information with all three of them, and that you want comment or information from them on how they will respond to this, before you put together a package for the media. (If you already have a media contact or two you can mention, that might be helpful.)
Also communicate with the staff of whichever of our two Senators you have the best relationship with, explain that you feel threatened and why, and you'd like to know which Federal law enforcement agency you should be communicating with and how, and can they help put you in touch with them? Share the information referenced above if it seems useful.
Do NOT blow this off, duhneece. This is serious shit. Your life may indeed be in danger, possibly imminent danger - but ALSO, this is part of a normalization of violent rhetoric and behavior that has serious and wide-ranging consequences for politics throughout our state as well as nationally. Shine the light on them. Especially if you get blown off.
"For every one that does evil hates the light..."
concernedly,
Bright
KPN
(15,642 posts)necessary these days. Keeping authorities informed is paramount. This is about terrorism.
duhneece
(4,112 posts)But I will take your advice.
Ill send you a message when Im done.
Now explain why Im crying. Happy tears, mind you.
TygrBright
(20,758 posts)It's important that bullies like this have the light shone upon them by people of courage.
For every one who has the courage and the friends giving them support, there may be another, maybe several others, who are truly alone and immobilized by the bullying.
Standing up to them, shining the light on them, isn't just about standing up for yourself, but for all the others they feel free to attempt to victimize with impunity.
Even if you get little in the way of response, putting together the evidence, documenting what they are doing, and putting it in the hands of those whose responsibility is to keep people safe, is shining the light. Eventually it WILL have an effect.
Stand strong, you're not alone.
encouragingly,
Bright
duhneece
(4,112 posts)Those particular tears were relief, that moment when I knew you were with me, in my corner. That relief that comes with NOT being alone.
Youre right that we model courage and strength (even when were not feeling either) for others.
Youll be happy seeing others speak up, attending their first meetings after watching Stephanie and me
when we make a video of them and share on DU. We really are making a difference. Together
jmbar2
(4,874 posts)Seems like Trump gave a lot of people the courage to be bullies. The only way to stand up to a bully is exactly what you are doing - pushing back hard, and publicly.
But it can also take a heavy toll on you. Your peeps on DU are here for you anytime you need to vent.
Take special care of yourself Duhneece.
duhneece
(4,112 posts)And someone on DU will reach out. Then I am restored to my activist energy.
ancianita
(36,023 posts)Warpy
(111,245 posts)Playing the daddy card is really, really low.
The only response to him is that his children would be eating well if he'd behaved himself instead of declaring war on his own country.
duhneece
(4,112 posts)I just screenshot your response. I imagine Ill have a chance to use it.
KPN
(15,642 posts)work you are doing down there in Otero County to preserve and restore electoral sanity. You have remarkable courage. I will definitely be making a contribution to Stephanies campaign. (Just as soon as I get out of bed and make the morning coffee
Thanks also for keeping us informed from the front lines. It helps make this seemingly crazy dream that much more real and tangible.
God bless you and keep you safe.
duhneece
(4,112 posts)It would be impossible without it.
Lisa0825
(14,487 posts)Lisa0825
(14,487 posts)$1500 - $2500
duhneece
(4,112 posts)Makes it possible for us to put one foot in front of the other when Im feeling despair.
Thank you.
Ponietz
(2,961 posts)Last edited Sat Aug 20, 2022, 01:17 PM - Edit history (2)
Several retired judges around there, without respect to party, know the difference between right and wrong. Check around. Consider contacting the ACLU, the Southern Poverty Law Center or a similar organization for legal representation. Gerry Spence or another plaintiffs attorney, might work, too. This is actionable.
duhneece
(4,112 posts)Ive called 20 attorneys. No one is a PLAINTIFF slander attorney
even among my attorney friends, no one (yet) is willing to take case.
Im not stopping from calling them out.
Ponietz
(2,961 posts)duhneece
(4,112 posts)Then 10 days before the judge HAS to respond but were hoping for a quicker response.
Hekate
(90,645 posts)Thank you for all you do. 🌺
duhneece
(4,112 posts)Playing in the back of my mind.. sometimes a little too much, all day long. Lol
NBachers
(17,107 posts)duhneece
(4,112 posts)Im not alone when I have your support.
StephanieDubois
(22 posts)Cha
(297,154 posts)by a dangerous Crazy magat, Duhneece
David Clements Needed to be Reported!!
Always Be Safe!
duhneece
(4,112 posts)Ive been given more places to report him from my DU family and youd better believe, Ill do that
Cha
(297,154 posts)For Our Democracy, Denise!
duhneece
(4,112 posts)I hope youre doing well. Were enjoying cooler than normal weather with better than normal rain so life is good.
Cha
(297,154 posts)weather sounds great!
We need Rain of all places!
Loving all the Great work that Pres Biden & the Dems are getting Accomplished! :
Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)duhneece
(4,112 posts)And feel understood and lifted up by the support.
Honestly, I couldnt do it without you.
StephanieDubois
(22 posts)The domestic terrorist is now hanging out with high profile election deniers this weekend. His link to the upper echelon right wingers is scary.
duhneece
(4,112 posts)As well as being big-fucking nuts.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)Please do report this to every authority imaginable. Make it common knowledge.
The DU family is a great one, but we are not there with you physically. Take steps to defend yourself if necessary. Try not to be alone if at all possible. Have someone always know your comings and goings and check in frequently. Make it known that you are doing this.
As is my practice, I will be praying for you. Thank you for your courage, your strength and your tenacity.
duhneece
(4,112 posts)Thank you for your prayers. I know they give me strength and comfort.
JCMach1
(27,556 posts)Several years back. He had info. That could only be found by some digging and probably some hacking. I bailed, blocked and gtf off of there permanently.
duhneece
(4,112 posts)Our right wing grifters, traitors and Republicans have my address. Ive lived here 40 years, have been a vocal opponent for 20 years.
Im extra cautious, more alert.. and super grateful for a big, protective cow dog.
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)I am so sorry you and Stephanie are being so viciously attacked.
duhneece
(4,112 posts)And trying to balance that with speaking out and following up on what we hear.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,328 posts)OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)they don't let go.
I was targeted in 2010 because my organization was dissed on Glenn Beck's Fox TV and radio shows, on his infamous blackboard. I only learned about it when I started getting threats via email and messaging through all social media accounts, and then it progressed to phone calls and more. It didn't help that I have a neighbor who is one of them, so I was doxxed.
This is when they were called the Alt-Right. I called them Nazis back then because that's what they are, and that's been proven true over the last 12 years. Once my child and grandchild moved in here, at my child's request, I couldn't risk harm to them so I have kept a very low profile. It's infuriating and miserable.
Best wishes to you!!! We can't let them win.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)A few years after that initial onslaught, my websites were attacked. DoS (denial of service) attacks. Computer experts fought and monitored it for about a year and it was entirely by Russian IPs.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)China and Russia have tentacles everywhere.
Four years of being allowed to run amok have done irreparable damage.
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)duhneece
(4,112 posts)When my husband got sick, he wanted me to stop.
I cant. Not altogether. Thats why I didnt run for office and recruited Stephanie.
And sometimes I dont tell him all Im doing. It feels dishonest but its the best balance I can do right now.
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)I keep doing things covertly as much as I can too...lol.