Another Trump backer dumps Trump

[orangecrush]

A really hard core Trump backer coworker in my rural very red area confided in me today that he "can no longer support Trump after the theft of classified documents", and believes Trump is a traitor.

Said he is voting Libertarian next time.

Baby steps.

[Irish_Dem]

1. Sounds like some of the Trump cult members are peeling off, one by one.

The hard core cult members will double and triple down.

[gratuitous]

2. Yeah baby steps

Tell him you hope he likes the lower prescription drug prices, and that denials for pre-existing conditions is a thing of the past. Those two little improvements in his life came about with zero help from Republicans or Libertarians.

[musclecar6]

10. Libertarians

Or Republicans all equal one thing amongst others. Cheap
fucks.

[soldierant]

46. Cheap indeed.

If only we could get it into their heads that it is always cheaper to do the right thing.

(And cheapest to do it the first time.)

[Claustrum]

3. This is what I think this whole classified documents thing is going to go.

It's not going to change his cultist minds but TFG will become toxic for independent or "reasonable" republicans. It's enough to ensure that he will lose if he ever runs again. I think there will be mass exodus and a separation from TFG once his chosen crazy candidates loses in November. Suddenly, the "reasonable" republican voices will start leaving the TFG train. Though, for now, they need the cultists to have a chance in November.

[Mr.Bill]

4. A Libertarian is

a republican who wants to smoke weed.

[PXR-5]

6. And is usually pro choice.

But I can't stand how they start every post on the net.

"As a Libertarian..."

[paleotn]

8. Pro choice, but also think there should be zero regulations on anything anywhere.

The "market" should decide if a product is acceptable or not. They forget the part about people having to die from the product first.

[reACTIONary]

11. Reply "As a Libertine" ...

... I believe in your unalienable right to go fuck yourself.

[orangecrush]

27. DUzy!!!

[JI7]

23. No they usually aren't prochoice

[erronis]

7. Look at the Kochs and the Rand/Ron Pauls for examples of libertarians

Basically they're just out to get what they can from the environment, gummint, etc. - and let the rest of us be damned.

Atlas Shrugged. Couldn't give a shit about the common people.

In some ways the old "conservative" (R)epuglicons had more scruples than libertarians.

I wouldn't trust any of them no matter how much they flipped and flopped.

[BOSSHOG]

9. And like Rand paul

A libertarian is one who cashes his socialist check in a timely, and enjoys every socialist perk of being a senator. He also enjoys displaying his hate and ignorance every time he yaks at the senate.

[dixiechiken1]

22. A Libertarian is an embarrassed Republican. 🙄

[PXR-5]

41. 😆😂

Funny, but so true!!!!

[orangecrush]

26. Yes

An at description of this dude

[Rural_Progressive]

42. If you know what a feral farm cat is this may work for you

Libertarianism as a political ideology is a lot like a barn full of feral cats.

The cats didn't pay for, maintain, or build the barn. They don't like being inside it since they really don't trust each other or any other animals in the barn. The problem for them is they hate being outside in the rain, cold and hungry, even more.

At some level they know they depend on the farmer, but Gawd do they hate having to accept that.

[usonian]

5. I've posted about cult membership and how it flakes off.

Off the top, hitting rock bottom, betrayal, too much contradiction to handle, since cults deny any outside information (hence, denial is a key requrement)

This sounds about right. RW'ers used to be oh, so patriotic, to the U.S., not to Russia (you remember those t-shirt guys) and to all of us who served, aerospace workers, and countless others who took an oath to the Constitution, gross mishandling of classified documents, not for any kind of justice (in case cover-ups are classified), but for sheer greed, spite and personal gain, as this seems to be, is just too much to tolerate. A very clear violation of laws, and we all had reviews and refreshers on the right way to handle them.

There's that gravitational force that keeps a personality cult together, and it can be broken, but that has to come from within. Just getting enough real facts out there, past the wall of denial, does work. (Thank our congressional investigators and what little MSM that cares to put the unvarnished facts out there).

How they held all that denial and contradiction inside is amazing, but cults are like that.

I want to say what a great example Joe Biden has been.

We often keep our "enemies" so much in our minds that we become them. That's why it's important to be objective, and direct our righteous rage against the acts and the evil intents. People do come around. Maybe many lives later (billions and billions?) but I do remember George Wallace finally feeling the weight of all he said and did.

Meanwhile, be the best people we can be, dedicated to helping others, as indicated on this chart (which someone created, and which I should edit.)



Beats the hell out of blind rage, spite and projection of one's worst qualities onto others.

Peace!

[Septua]

12. Voting Libertarian won't help democracy.

Some Republican traditionalists are saying Republicans need to suspend normal political practice and vote Democratic, to keep the Lunatic Caucus out of leadership in the states and D.C.

Purge the loonies and start over.

[sop]

25. That might get some traction if someone like Liz Cheney would say it openly.

[Septua]

38. Yes!

I read or hear about many comments from 'unnamed' Republican lawmakers who are anti-Trump in private but silent publicly.

The Republicans had two opportunities to throw Trump out of office and were too chicken shit to do it because they aren't Liz Cheney type patriots. I blame them far more than Trump for the current situation.

[reACTIONary]

13. Any republican who...

... doesn't vote, or doesn't vote republican, is a vote for the Democrat.

[aggiesal]

14. I believe Libertarian is going backwards n/t

[LetMyPeopleVote]

15. Not in Texas

The Texas GOP is worried. Normally third parties hurt the Democratic Party but this cycle the GOP want to know the Libertarians off the ballot

Link to tweet

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/Texas-Republicans-file-lawsuit-to-sweep-23-17381988.php?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=socialflow

Nearly two dozen Republican candidates and officials are seeking to boot their Libertarian opponents from the November ballot, arguing in a petition before the Texas Supreme Court that the third-party candidates are disqualified because they failed to pay their filing fees or gather required petition signatures.

Among the Republicans signing onto the lawsuit, filed earlier this month, are Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick and congressional candidate Monica de la Cruz, who is running for a key battleground seat that runs from McAllen to the San Antonio area.

Their petition takes aim at 23 Libertarians who, they say, ran afoul of a 2019 state law that requires third-party candidates to pay the same filing fee as Republicans and Democrats or, as an alternative, collect the same number of petition signatures to secure a spot on the ballot. The lawsuit comes ahead of the Aug. 26 deadline to remove a candidate from this year’s midterm ballot — a deadline Republicans missed in 2020 when they unsuccessfully sought to knock off 44 Libertarian candidates.

The court’s decision could have major implications if any of the 23 races this year are decided by a narrow margin. Libertarians are thought to pose a threat to Republican candidates in tight races, possibly siphoning off just enough votes to sway a close outcome.

As Texas has grown increasingly competitive in recent cycles, both parties have ramped up efforts to purge third-party candidates from the ballot, with Democrats aiming to declare Green Party candidates ineligible. Polling this summer has suggested the margins could be tight in top-of-ballot statewide races in 2022, including those for governor, lieutenant governor and attorney general.

[orleans]

16. yeah, well he should know those libertarians aren't gonna help him either nt

[elleng]

17. SERIOUS baby steps!

[Peachhead22]

18. Let's hope the change sticks

A couple days after the 1/6 insurrection a big-time Trump backer I knew was supposedly disgusted with Trump and said "I'm sorry I ever voted for him (Trump)". A month later he was back to ranting about a "stolen" election and arguing 1/6 was an Antifa false flag. Sadly, he was all-in with Trump again.

[calimary]

19. Well okay! At least it's not a vote for the GOP.

Thanks for letting us know, orangecrush!

[orangecrush]

28. Most welcome.

And my thoughts exactly.

[TheBlackAdder]

20. That's good. Is there a Libertarian Spoiler candidate? Libertarians are more extreme Republicans.

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Based of John Birch Society teachings and pushed by the Koch Brothers.

They are the most self-affecting mofos on the planet. They claim they want liberty, but really they mean liberty for me and fuck the rest of y'all. If others happen to benefit from their plan, it's more of an accident than a plan. They are also the most grubby when it comes to public money, plugging into as many programs as possible. If they see something they can tap into, they view it as though it's deserved. If they can't plug into a program, they somehow view it as a tax that they must be funding in some manner.

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[soldierant]

48. There are two ways to broadly define "Libertarian

(I say "broad;y" because there are probably an infinite quirky ways for them to define themselves)

Some define a Libertarian as one who is poopsed to Authoritarian government. That definition fits me.

Others - including most if not all Americans who claim to be Libertarian and who ever vote Libertarian - define a Libertarian as one who is opposed to ANY form of government.

I'd love to allow those spoiled brats to keep the term with all its baggage. Except that "Anti-authoritarian" is pretty cumbersome.

[LuvLoogie]

21. No, he ain't voting L. He'll vote for DeSantis.

Watch the gleam come back to his eyes when DeSantis runs.

[orangecrush]

29. DeSantis and Trump

Equally bad IMO.

[Cha]

24. Well that's always good to hear..

.. the Dumping DT part.

TY

[orangecrush]

30. He's become more

Than even my wingnut coworker can stomach.

[Cha]

32. To me that means your

wing nut co-worker is not totally submerged in a vat of magat brainwash.. he was able to think for himself and remember what stealing Classified Docs actually means!

[orangecrush]

33. Like myself

"Dan" once worked in aerospace for Lockheed.

My old employer contracted for nearly every defense aerospace manufacturer.

We both have a working knowledge of classified material, and the consequences of exposing it - literally the death of American service men and women, and intelligence personnel.

[Cha]

35. Oh Wow.. TY for the background

on that.

Like DT would give a crap if Anyone got Killed because of what he wanted for himself. We've seen Evidence of thast Time and Time Again.

[orangecrush]

37. You nailed it

Thanks, Cha!

[czarjak]

31. Libertarians: Screw anyone who isn't me! My brother-in-law. Votes R, but don't dare call him one.

[orangecrush]

34. Pretty much

Sums it up!

[wsulik]

36. Two trump supporters in my neighborhood took down their trump 24 flags in the past month or so

I'd like to think maybe they too have had a change of heart!

[G2theD]

40. Some fool that lives down my street

Still has his 6x4 TRUMP 2024 on the side of his house. A tough ‘nut’ to crack.

Every time I drive past I check if it’s still there and when I see it again I always have a chuckle. What a maroon!

[G2theD]

39. They don't know what they want

Isn’t libertarian almost the polar opposite of authoritarian?

[orangecrush]

43. Depends

On who you ask.

[RazBerryBeret]

44. I think this is going to peel off some of his cult (not the hard core ones)....

I work out w/someone who is a die hard republican, we don't talk about it too much, always awkward when conversation swings that way. but he knows where I stand and I know where he stands. Around J6, he stopped watching or listening to the news. With the Confidential Document news, he actually initiated a conversation, saying he has a BIL who is in the military, and he's not allowed to talk about anything that he sees or hears; even HE could see how illegal it is to take home secrets. I think the majority of us know someone who works (or has worked) for the military or some sort of security and they are very aware that what happened it illegal. My brother works for air force intelligence and he isn't even allowed to take his phone into the building. I just hope this opens a lot of eyes.

[Joinfortmill]

45. It's a beginning.

[orangecrush]

49. Indeed.

[mercuryblues]

47. Yup. My go to when I know a republican who won't vote D, no matter what

convince them to go libertarian.