Remember when some folks here on DU said the J6 Committee would be ignored

[malaise]

Well according to the NBC poll the number one issue for Americans is threats to democracy.
Thanks J6 and thanks Merrick Garland.
That is all😀😀😀

[Joinfortmill]

1. Amen

[Turbineguy]

2. It is the one threat

that is a foundation for all the others.

[spanone]

3. ...K&R...

[malaise]

4. Hey you

[spanone]

5. 😋

[Blue Owl]

6. A big K&R

Thanks Malaise!!!

[malaise]

22. Thank you

[secondwind]

7. K&R !!

[Tetrachloride]

8. I underestimated its content and vigorous popularity.

I didn’t say ignored. But compared to the true results, I may as well have.

[malaise]

18. Not sure any of us thought it would be this populat

[MiHale]

9. KnR

[Demsrule86]

10. Yup. That was me. I thought that those who

Who could be convinced were already convinced. I can’t tell you how happy I am to be wrong. It gives me hope that we can save our Republic. That in the end we will vanquish TFG.

[malaise]

17. Folks like you are why I love DU

We admit when we get it wrong

[Demsrule86]

40. That is such a sweet comment...thank you...means a great deal to me. I am so happy to be wrong.

I could shout it from the rooftops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BOSSHOG]

25. Hey demsrule86

Good on ya. And providing proof that you aren’t one of them. You took ownership, admitted an error (insignificant as it was), womaned up and marched forward in a crisp blue manner towards roevember.

[Demsrule86]

39. Roevember is comig baby!!!!!!

[electric_blue68]

11. W0000000t!!!!! Thanks, malaise.

[crickets]

12. Thanks for the reminder - new hearings are coming next month! Whee! 💙

[malaise]

16. Can't wait

😀

[sheshe2]

13. Recommended!

[H2O Man]

14. Recommended.

The J6 Committee has been even better than anyone could have anticipated!

[malaise]

15. And then some

It’s like waiting for Season Two coming in September😀😀😀

[ForgedCrank]

19. Polls are

like extended warranty contracts. If you can't read the details, it's not of much use.

[Sugarcoated]

28. Can you elaborate?

[ForgedCrank]

31. Not really

because there is no link. No one knows with cryptic posts void of reference materials.

What were the questions? How were they worded. Who took the poll and where? How was it conducted?
All of that and a lot more matters when weighing the validity of a poll. But again, I can't know which poll it is for certain with no link.

Plus, I think I'm just particularly grumpy tonight and my tolerance is low. hehe, sorry.

[BumRushDaShow]

34. Here is the article and poll

Article (summary) - https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/first-read/nbc-news-survey-finds-2022-midterms-entered-uncharted-territory-rcna44172

Article (specifics) - https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/first-read/nbc-news-poll-57-voters-say-investigations-trump-continue-rcna43989

Poll (uses an embedded reader app) - https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22156173-220455-nbc-news-august-poll-82122-release

[ForgedCrank]

37. Thanks for

that, I appreciate it.
IF that is the poll OP was referencing, then my suspicions were correct. This poll has nothing to do with the Jan6 panel and there is zero mention of it anywhere. The poll seems somewhat evenly split among Democrats/Republicans and it appears both sides answered this one kind of the same.
So yea, this poll has no correlation to the Jan6 committee at all, just as I suspected. There are millions of Republicans out there who think Joe Biden is somehow a threat to Democracy, just as there are millions of us who consider Trump the same.

[Demsrule86]

42. I disagree. These are people who watched or heard about January 6th to have concern for

our Democratic Republic as the number one issue is wonderful.

[ForgedCrank]

85. You didn't

look at the poll details.
There are just as many right-wingers taking that poll who are also claiming there is a threat to Democracy.
The premise is misleading, period. It shows absolutely no correlation to the hearings and investigation.

[BumRushDaShow]

55. Well I think you missed this --

(from the main article link - https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/first-read/nbc-news-poll-57-voters-say-investigations-trump-continue-rcna43989)

And the poll finds that “threats to democracy” has overtaken the “cost of living” as the most important issue facing the country, and that the climate and health care legislation Biden signed into law last week is more popular than unpopular (42% call it a good idea, while 31% say it is a bad idea).

And in order for people to have formulated that opinion, that means that you had a significant chunk of those polled who eiither watched the J6 Committee hearings and/or heard news stories related to what happened during those hearings because that is where the majority of the coverage of that day, what lead up to it, and the aftermath, have occurred.

"Democracy" is such an esoteric concept unless you are a history aficionado or a political junke (which the majority of people are NOT), so there is some "messaging" that has gotten through from somewhere, and the hearings, along with the news coverage of them, the arrests of the violent participants, and messaging about all of this, would be the source that would cause this amount of alarm in those polled.

[Sympthsical]

68. The Right has been banging "stolen elections" and now the FBI hard

I have no idea why people think that 21% is all Democrats/Independents watching the committee. That is quite a leap and requires having very little idea of what the Right has been discussing on the daily since the 2020 election.

The hard Right thinks everything is rigged. Just look at their candidates.

Seeing people crowing about these numbers being a great thing is like, "Ooft. That probably isn't nearly as good a thing as you think it is."

Bubbles be bubblin'.

Edit: What are these demographics, lol?

White 77
Black 12
Asian 1
Other 4
Hispanic (VOL) 4
Not sure/refused 2

They couldn't find any Latinos in this country?

25% of households with children (it's 40% typically). Did they just poll people hanging around online all day? Real weird poll.

Edit 2: They do ask about Jan 6 way down in the poll. The numbers haven't really changed significantly. Page 19).

[Baggies]

84. You are correct

Ask a Republican who is a threat to democracy and the answer is Democrats. Same question to Democratic members and you hear Republicans. Same question, two totally different viewpoints as to who is the threat.

IOW this poll says the voters are divided; something already known.

[fightforfreedom]

20. I was not one of them.

I posted the hearings would bust the investigations wide open. I think the committee surprised everyone with how well the hearings were presented, put together. They did an outstanding job.

Using only witnesses who worked for Trump was brilliant. The amount of work they did in a fairly short period of time was impressive.

[malaise]

23. Yep- you knew what was coming

😀😀

[central scrutinizer]

21. Who were polled? How was the question phrased?

After constant “stop the steal” bullshit by trumpists and FoxNews, I can see many RWNJs choosing that option on the questionnaire. They’re convinced Democrats are guilty of vote fraud and stealing elections. I’d like to see a breakdown and cross tabs of the sample before I get excited about this report.

[ForgedCrank]

32. This was

my very point. But with these cryptic posts with no links or reference that beg us to ask a bunch of questions, we have no idea where to look for the details.

[Demsrule86]

43. Why the doom and gloom...it seems you are looking for a reason for it to be wrong...I looked

Bums links in the post. I don't think they are wrong. And who cares what Trumpers think...you need more than Trumpers to win statewide elections or even house seats this year...I feel a blue wave a building...it is coming down the road...

[ForgedCrank]

49. I'm not

looking for doom and gloom, I'm simply tired of time wasted on silliness.
It may be fun to gather around and speculate for fun, but when it comes to important information, I'm a facts oriented person, and I don't really like or appreciate misleading information. It wastes my time and everyone elses, and leaves a false sense of position on what are very important matters.

Just like most other people, I don't like bad news, I don't like it at all. But I still insist on getting a straight story so I can properly address what I am dealing with. Polls referenced in this manner are misleading. It most certainly does not show anything even remotely similar to what was claimed. I actually read the reference material because I was looking for GOOD news, not gloom and doom. But guess what I found?

And we shouldn't give a single damn what Trumpers think, they aren't going to change their minds for anyone, so straight to hell with them as far as I'm concerned. But we DO need to care what the swing voters think. Like it or not, those are the people who usually decide the elections in the end.

[Demsrule86]

74. Well I don't consider this misleading and think that almost every bit of good news is met with

this sort of response from you. I think saying that DU'ers are providing 'misleading' information is untrue and what you have is an opinion just like everyone else does here. It is not 'facts'

[ForgedCrank]

82. then show

me how I am wrong. Show me how this poll highlights the effects of the Jan6 investigation and hearings.

[japple]

24. When dipshit McConnell vehemently rejected Merrick Garland, I had a strong feeling that

it wasn't just about his being appointed by President Obama. I think they knew the strength of his convictions and his commitment to the US Constitution. I think they feared the truth more than anything.

[malaise]

63. I was too angry to think that way

but he is the best person for this job. Ask Timothy McVeigh! Oh wait.

[barbtries]

26. the thing about that poll is

there is a sizable minority who think that Democrats represent that threat. clearly wrong, but they worship trump and they are in so deep they no longer think right or even rationally. I'd like to be encouraged by that poll but i don't know.

[Sugarcoated]

30. The hardcore Trumpers aren't going to budge

no matter what is proven, but there are rational Republicans, swing voters, conservative-moderate women. Losing our right to choose + right wing terrorism/our Democratic Republic in peril = consequences

[Demsrule86]

44. They are not our target audience.

[Sugarcoated]

54. Exactly

[barbtries]

59. those are the facts.

I am hopeful that some are coming to their senses. enough to save democracy? i hope so, but just as a for instance I live in NC. It's so gerrymandered that even when Democrats win majorities more republicans end up in office. the game is rigged. sick of this dread.

[gademocrat7]

27. K&R!

[Demsrule86]

46. The thing is they give Trump more power than he really has his handpicked candidates are

getting trounced in PA...Mastriano and Oz. In Ohio, Tim Ryan is up or even in all polls except in a right-wing rag poll. Cherie Beasley is tied. Looks like Mandela Barnes is doing well too in Wisconsin. Arizona looks good too...Nevada is looking solid...why do they think Trump is all-powerful He barely won the first time and lost decisively the second time.

Florida is looking good too...and dumb ass DeathSantis and his groupies just announced they intend to target the Cuban community and send those illegals home (idiots)...it is looking good. We could still lose but it is looking good. GOTV like your life depended on it because it does.

[ms liberty]

29. They made it must see teevee. They've done a masterful job so far and should be commended n/t

[Liberty Belle]

33. Trouble is, Trumpers think a stolen election is the threat to democracy.

We need more surveys to find out if people think Trump is the threat to democracy, or or that the threat is him not winning again.

[Demsrule86]

47. They broke it down on MSNBC and CNN and it was a big concern for independents and

Democrats.

[wryter2000]

83. That's good to hear

We independents.

[Kingofalldems]

35. Yep--the Trump always win crew.

K and R.

[Orrex]

36. I suspect that KKKultists have a different notion of "threats to democracy"

[Martin68]

38. Quite a few liberals have a fairly pessimistic view of events. Probably based on the difficulties we

have had over the years. It's not a constructive point of view. When we win, we need to keep on pushing. The fight i never over.

[neverforget]

41. It helps that they're well produced and a couple of them were in prime time.

I'm heartened to see that people are paying attention. Our democracy is at stake.

[Eyeball_Kid]

45. Ok. I get to brag for a moment

Since May, I’ve been posting to a handful of discussion threads that the Dems will retain both houses of Congress in November because of a GOP “trifecta” of catastrophes: J6C hearings, coming indictments, and the Roe/Dobbs decision. And here we are.

Oh. And the GOP’s fall from grace isn’t over. There will be many more investigations and subsequent indictments—- of Congressional GOPers. It’s all legit, and it’s all coming soon.

[Demsrule86]

48. +1000 The January 6th hearing were very effective and didn't expect that.

As I said earlier. I figured they would be ignored. But that is not happening and I love love being wrong. Good news should not be met with doom and gloom and woe is me BS.

[TeamProg]

50. NO ONE KNEW that the committee would have so MUCH TRACTION

I hate these ‘told ya so’ posts.

[BlackSkimmer]

57. Yeah, it's a wee bit early for celebration yet.

Tfg and his cronies are still free as birds.

[Kaleva]

58. And yet people proclaimed the J6 committee would be ignored

Despite not knowing.

[malaise]

60. Precisely

I am not a fan of M$Greedia polls but we cannot ignore the fact that way more people than expexted paid attention to the J6 hearings - TV ratings showed that.
And the majority (57%) also want the investigations of the Slobfather to continue.

[Kaleva]

61. +1

[TeamProg]

70. Give us a name(s)

[mcar]

75. And yet many here "knew"

they'd be useless.

[TeamProg]

76. Exactly. nt

[Beetwasher.]

51. Fear is on Our Side This Time

And it is appropriate to be afraid.

[progressoid]

52. Same poll had abortion at just 8%

So I'm not sure it good idea to use that as a barometer of what's going on.

[Demsrule86]

71. I do not believe that traditional polls will catch the abortion numbers anymore than Kansas polls

did. And as for those who say the poll is made up of Trumpers who now say this is the most important issue...they always said that. This is new IMHO and looking at the sample and numbers, I think that we have voters who have been made aware of the security issues by the January 6 committee which I opined would never happen. I was wrong and damned glad that I was wrong.

And those angrily dismissing these polls are wrong too. And one wonders why on thread after thread, they do this....almost seems some have decided Democrats will fail in the midterms...despite all evidence. And no evidence is good enough for some if it shows good news for our side. No, it is overly optimistic and then polls must be picked apart. I can not understand this.

[TigressDem]

53. Yah, but the tRumpies think Biden is the threat.

They want their dictator and Democracy run "their way."

BUT I know a lot of people are paying attention to the Jan 6th Committee.

JUST NOT the people who need to know that DJT really did try to destroy the rights of The People to elect their leader.

[ecstatic]

56. They need to keep it going while people are paying attention

Americans are known to have short memories, unfortunately.

[malaise]

62. Next month

Can’t wait 😀

[Torchlight]

65. I'll take it as another good sign

I had no opinion nor expectation as to process or outcome, but it does seem to be trending in a positive direction, and for that alone I'm grateful.

And as it clearly irritates the right wing, piquing their resentment as they dismiss it for what it is, I can only wear a smirk of satisfaction for them.

[mcar]

66. Kick

[SlimJimmy]

67. Do you have a link to the poll?

[Demsrule86]

72. Bums post great links in an post.

[SlimJimmy]

86. The poll is worthless without a link.

[Marius25]

69. 40% of Americans still support espionage and treason

according to that poll. That's extremely alarming.

[Demsrule86]

73. So alarming...not it isn't.

[TeamProg]

77. The attached video says it all.

[malaise]

78. Perfect

[TeamProg]

80. You missed my point. Opposite world. n/t

[msfiddlestix]

79. No, I don't remember anyone suggesting J6 would be ignored, only by the Cult followers of course

[wryter2000]

81. Not so sure what that means

Election deniers would agree.

[quakerboy]

87. I still say it.

Let me know when anyone important ends up in prison.

Till then its all talk, about as impactful as the latest public media scandal.

I also believe that the RW miscalculation regarding overturning RvW will have far more impact on our countries future course.

I'd love to be wrong in my pessimism about the j6 committee. And I will go so far as to say I actually see some hope that I might be. But im not celebrating or congratulating anything until it goes from opinion to votes and jail sentences, and ultimately to policy changes.

[krkaufman]

88. How specific is the poll?

And was it taken before or after Mar-a-Lago was searched? I could see many MAGAts viewing the search as an attack on democracy.

[SlimJimmy]

91. Registered voters. Not worth reading.

Why do pollsters do this? Half of registered voters don't vote.

[Hamlette]

89. I remember getting together with friends who said the same thing

this was after the first hearing and they all said it was worthless and a waste of time.


I yelled at them. Well, not yelled. I said they are interesting and important and every American should watch them if they want to be informed.

They all started watching and now can't stop talking about how great they were.

What was different was we didn't have to listen to the other side ask inane questions and try to derail everything. So I can understand if you expected that kind of hearing not wanting to watch. Hearings in which Trump republicans participate are a waste of time.

[malaise]

90. Truthfully I hope the Roe ban is

just as important to voters come November