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brush

(53,778 posts)
Mon Aug 22, 2022, 10:11 PM Aug 2022

It's breaking right now on Maddow and O'Donnell that trump himself...

personally went through the stolen docs to see which ones to keep and which one to give back to the FBI.

Turn it on now. It's a breaking NYT story that he did this in front of witnesses.

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It's breaking right now on Maddow and O'Donnell that trump himself... (Original Post) brush Aug 2022 OP
Reported by witnesses. moondust Aug 2022 #1
It's still breaking. Reported by the NYT that he did the picking thru... brush Aug 2022 #4
Secret Service Agents are always by his side right? KS Toronado Aug 2022 #41
yeah - wont need "powder" for his cheeto stained prints to show up - n/t Locrian Aug 2022 #63
Down he goes malaise Aug 2022 #2
In Howard Cosell's voice... liberaltrucker Aug 2022 #47
Whaaaaah malaise Aug 2022 #53
We can only hope! calimary Aug 2022 #77
❤️ ✿❧🌿❧✿ ❤️ Lucinda Aug 2022 #3
Please let there be surveillance tape. C_U_L8R Aug 2022 #5
He'll have a massive heart attack BOSSHOG Aug 2022 #9
👍 Joinfortmill Aug 2022 #29
with the digitized copies in his coat pocket. russia will grab his coat & throw that useless orange orleans Aug 2022 #34
What a horrifying thought. Abigail_Adams Aug 2022 #59
They have golf courses in Moscow? Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2022 #50
Indeed there are! PJMcK Aug 2022 #58
I am good with that Ray Bruns Aug 2022 #56
or his llashram Aug 2022 #61
That'd be fine with me. calimary Aug 2022 #68
OMG! Woo Hoo !!! liberalla Aug 2022 #6
"Witnesses" Turning on Cha Aug 2022 #7
It's TOO delicious!!! Blue Owl Aug 2022 #24
👍 Joinfortmill Aug 2022 #28
LOL.. It's So Cha Aug 2022 #38
Bwah! 😄 electric_blue68 Aug 2022 #43
I'm sorry - that just made me laugh out loud! calimary Aug 2022 #69
Don't be sorry! Cha Aug 2022 #76
donny's ego is going nutzo again riversedge Aug 2022 #51
And..his attorney that swore all was given back in June. Deuxcents Aug 2022 #8
Wow! kentuck Aug 2022 #10
More appeals, more delay tactics like the special master? gab13by13 Aug 2022 #12
They need to search every residence Mr.Bill Aug 2022 #11
The ones that are missing are probably in a foreign country. gab13by13 Aug 2022 #13
That is most likely. n/t Mr.Bill Aug 2022 #16
Ivana's coffin took TEN struggling pallbearers to move. Weird for someone who was cremated. OMGWTF Aug 2022 #40
Very interesting... Hmmm liberalla Aug 2022 #70
Because it's Trump, agingdem Aug 2022 #14
This story Nevilledog Aug 2022 #15
Would be even know what he was looking at? Demobrat Aug 2022 #17
someone lifted the boxes onto the desk, pulled the docs out, put them in front of him, certainot Aug 2022 #21
👍 Joinfortmill Aug 2022 #26
Don't forget lunatica Aug 2022 #37
Exactly. Demobrat Aug 2022 #39
They're marked with the level of classification from confidential, secret... brush Aug 2022 #65
Precisely! Trump is dumb as a dust bunny, but he has a nose for sniffing out money-making schemes. LaMouffette Aug 2022 #66
My feeling too. And for all we know, Jared may have... brush Aug 2022 #67
It's still just stunning to me that Jared and Ivanka received top-secret security clearances, but as LaMouffette Aug 2022 #71
If Flynn was directing the operation... SergeStorms Aug 2022 #46
Flynn and Kash Patel Captain Zero Aug 2022 #64
Interesting if they can prove it Warpy Aug 2022 #18
It's much more than a long shot. And the witnesses are not low... brush Aug 2022 #19
I got the idea that this info came from the surveillance tapes Tumbulu Aug 2022 #20
Possible, but that's not all or the most important thing the NYT story reported. brush Aug 2022 #25
For Trump to go through that many boxes and that many documents Gaugamela Aug 2022 #22
He needs to be indicted. Now. Joinfortmill Aug 2022 #23
Frog march. murielm99 Aug 2022 #44
I'd settle for... SergeStorms Aug 2022 #48
And the Mole Rears it's Ugly Head Again! Beetwasher. Aug 2022 #27
👍 Joinfortmill Aug 2022 #30
A very moley mole orangecrush Aug 2022 #54
Recommended. H2O Man Aug 2022 #31
New York Times!11!! FAKE NEWZ!!111!! progressoid Aug 2022 #32
Some will follow their fuhrer right to and through the gates of hell. brush Aug 2022 #33
NYT broke the story, then buried it Fiendish Thingy Aug 2022 #35
He must hate being the second worst president is US history. Turbineguy Aug 2022 #36
Who is the competition for worst? Zambero Aug 2022 #55
+1 TFG has replaced whoever it was before. treestar Aug 2022 #60
This just keeps getting worse and worse EnergizedLib Aug 2022 #42
Question: what security clearance did Trump lawyers Corcoran & Bobb have? Jarqui Aug 2022 #45
*ding!* They had no business being anywhere near the documents. crickets Aug 2022 #49
Neither does dumpy trumpy riversedge Aug 2022 #52
He has a lifetime history with NDAs. He has ALWAYS been desperate to keep bullwinkle428 Aug 2022 #57
I'm just betting that all those documents were searched for fingerprints, don't you? flying_wahini Aug 2022 #62
They'll find traces of feces from his feculent little fat fingers Blue Owl Aug 2022 #72
If this had been almost anyone else, they'd be held in jail, passport confiscated, no bail lees1975 Aug 2022 #73
I don't think this.. Snackshack Aug 2022 #74
K&R Demovictory9 Aug 2022 #75

brush

(53,778 posts)
4. It's still breaking. Reported by the NYT that he did the picking thru...
Mon Aug 22, 2022, 10:17 PM
Aug 2022

of the docs in front of witnesses. Further reporting and investigations will determine who the witnesses are. And of course they will have to testify under oath.

C_U_L8R

(45,002 posts)
5. Please let there be surveillance tape.
Mon Aug 22, 2022, 10:19 PM
Aug 2022

Sounds like there are witnesses, at least. If he keeps this up, Trump is going to finagle his way right into a supermax.

BOSSHOG

(37,055 posts)
9. He'll have a massive heart attack
Mon Aug 22, 2022, 10:27 PM
Aug 2022

Be declared dead by Ronnie Jackson, and per trumps request his body will be sent to Moscow for burial.

orleans

(34,051 posts)
34. with the digitized copies in his coat pocket. russia will grab his coat & throw that useless orange
Mon Aug 22, 2022, 11:53 PM
Aug 2022

douche to the sharks

Abigail_Adams

(303 posts)
59. What a horrifying thought.
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 10:01 AM
Aug 2022

What if Don the Con is just smart enough to operate the camera on a cell phone? Then he can still sell state secrets to our enemies for years to come, even if the National Archives reclaim the originals. That thought is way too depressing.

calimary

(81,267 posts)
68. That'd be fine with me.
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 03:33 PM
Aug 2022

Wherever he’s finally planted will be worth declaring as a toxic dump site.

Mr.Bill

(24,292 posts)
11. They need to search every residence
Mon Aug 22, 2022, 10:31 PM
Aug 2022

of lots of people involved in this. There is no way the FBI got all the documents he took. I've heard his airplane is operative again, and I'd be willing to bet there are some there, too. Sort of an insurance policy if he makes a run for it.

agingdem

(7,849 posts)
14. Because it's Trump,
Mon Aug 22, 2022, 10:36 PM
Aug 2022

I think there more caches of documents hidden on his properties, be it MAL or Bedminster…

Demobrat

(8,978 posts)
17. Would be even know what he was looking at?
Mon Aug 22, 2022, 10:38 PM
Aug 2022

Hard to believe he would unless it was incriminating pictures. Someone had to be with him. Someone who can read words of longer than one syllable.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
21. someone lifted the boxes onto the desk, pulled the docs out, put them in front of him,
Mon Aug 22, 2022, 11:03 PM
Aug 2022

put them back in, and took the box back because he sure the fuck wouldn't and couldn't do anything but sit there and gork and have the assistants explain what the fuck he was looking at

if he saw something particularly exciting he probably jacked off the little mushroom to it

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
37. Don't forget
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 12:17 AM
Aug 2022

They used to simplify the daily reports he got so he would understand them. Drawing pictures you know. Using simple language, like to a pre-literate two year old. Like comic books.

Demobrat

(8,978 posts)
39. Exactly.
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 12:28 AM
Aug 2022

So how could he possibly know what he was reading when it came to things like nuclear weapons. I doubt if most intelligent lay people could. Maybe I’m wrong, but I’m thinking those documents are written by scientists for scientists. So how could a dufus with an eighth grade reading level if he’s lucky possibly know what they contained? Somebody had to tell him.

brush

(53,778 posts)
65. They're marked with the level of classification from confidential, secret...
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 02:05 PM
Aug 2022

top secret, and then the highest level, top secret/sci

trump can understand which ones are potentially the most valuable to keep for himself for later dealngs.

LaMouffette

(2,030 posts)
66. Precisely! Trump is dumb as a dust bunny, but he has a nose for sniffing out money-making schemes.
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 02:50 PM
Aug 2022

I'm sure he went through the documents looking for those he felt would get top dollar from the Russians, Saudis, et al.

brush

(53,778 posts)
67. My feeling too. And for all we know, Jared may have...
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 03:04 PM
Aug 2022

already used classified info to get the 2B he got from the Saudis. It's suspected he earlier gave Saudi crown prince MBS info on the activities and location of Jamal Khashsoggi, which resulted in the journalist's gruesome death.

The trump cabal are not nice people. Money and power are their currency. They've lost power but are not at all above stealing and using the last remnants of their power to get as much money as they can.

These crooks need to go to jail.

LaMouffette

(2,030 posts)
71. It's still just stunning to me that Jared and Ivanka received top-secret security clearances, but as
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 05:32 PM
Aug 2022

it turns out, they really didn't need security clearances at all since Traitor Trump was swiping classified documents and letting God knows who see them.

From a March 2019 Vanity Fair article:

The New York Times reports that the only reason Jared Kushner was granted the highest level of security clearance last May was because his father-in-law, Donald Trump, demanded it—over the objections of intelligence officials, the White House’s top lawyer, and the chief of staff at the time. Prior to May, Kushner had been assigned clearance on an “interim top-secret” basis, which was downgraded to “secret” in February 2018, and which limited his access to classified information. And for good reason!


[link:https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/03/jared-kushner-security-clearance|

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
46. If Flynn was directing the operation...
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 01:09 AM
Aug 2022

even Trump couldn't screw it up. Only the best documents, the ones that would bring the highest price on the international market, would be hidden. The rest they returned to the National Archives.

Captain Zero

(6,805 posts)
64. Flynn and Kash Patel
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 12:34 PM
Aug 2022

Always by his side for project of the moment.

Our country would be so much safer if Flynn and Patel were locked up for 20 years with no parole.

Warpy

(111,261 posts)
18. Interesting if they can prove it
Mon Aug 22, 2022, 10:39 PM
Aug 2022

maning low level employees he considered part of the furniture would have to be close enough to read file names, remember them, and testify about them months later.

Still, I'll be happy for even a long shot like that hanging the bastard.

brush

(53,778 posts)
19. It's much more than a long shot. And the witnesses are not low...
Mon Aug 22, 2022, 10:48 PM
Aug 2022

level "furniture" according to the NYT (try lawyers and other higher-ups). This looks like the biggest break in the story yet as it puts the docs in trump's hands deciding which ones to keep and which to give back...docs he of course had no business having at all.

The story will be repeated and of course it'll be on "Morning Joe" and all the shows tomorrow.

Tumbulu

(6,278 posts)
20. I got the idea that this info came from the surveillance tapes
Mon Aug 22, 2022, 10:50 PM
Aug 2022

that the FBI already has.

So, it requires no more corroboration. Or at least whatever corroboration they receive is only conformational.

brush

(53,778 posts)
25. Possible, but that's not all or the most important thing the NYT story reported.
Mon Aug 22, 2022, 11:13 PM
Aug 2022

Last edited Tue Aug 23, 2022, 01:21 AM - Edit history (1)

It reported that trump presonally picked and and kept back the docs he wanted to keep and the ones he wanted to give back to the FBI. This is extremely damaging as it puts the documents in trump's hands, meaning he had personal possession not just had them stored. This is all that's needed to indict according to a guest on the O'Donnell show.

Gaugamela

(2,496 posts)
22. For Trump to go through that many boxes and that many documents
Mon Aug 22, 2022, 11:08 PM
Aug 2022

he’s got to be desperate. This is the guy who couldn’t be bothered to read a daily briefing that had been compressed down to a single page. I hope his ghost haunts MAL for eternity, rifling through documents in the middle of the night and howling in terror.

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
48. I'd settle for...
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 01:16 AM
Aug 2022

a massive stroke that left him a drooling invalid, paralyzed from the neck down, but be mentally acute enough to be aware of everything going on around him. Of course his speech would have to be dramatically effected as well. No wheeling him into rallies to make speeches.

Is that too much to wish for?

progressoid

(49,990 posts)
32. New York Times!11!! FAKE NEWZ!!111!!
Mon Aug 22, 2022, 11:28 PM
Aug 2022

Seriously, check out the right wing bobble heads tomorrow. Especially on right wing radio or blogs. The topic will be that you can't believe the Jew York Times.



brush

(53,778 posts)
33. Some will follow their fuhrer right to and through the gates of hell.
Mon Aug 22, 2022, 11:32 PM
Aug 2022

Truth will out though so fuck them.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,611 posts)
35. NYT broke the story, then buried it
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 12:00 AM
Aug 2022

Focusing instead on the number of documents, rather than Trump’s actions, which appear to further establish knowledge of his crimes and intent.

Turbineguy

(37,331 posts)
36. He must hate being the second worst president is US history.
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 12:04 AM
Aug 2022

Maybe this will move him into the 1st worst president in US history, ever and for always.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
55. Who is the competition for worst?
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 09:25 AM
Aug 2022

I could conjure up a short list for potential second-place train wrecks, but not one of them would come close to TFG.

EnergizedLib

(1,895 posts)
42. This just keeps getting worse and worse
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 12:41 AM
Aug 2022

And it turns out it’s getting worse than we thought.

I for one, want to volunteer to be the one to throw him in his cell and throw away the key.

Jarqui

(10,125 posts)
45. Question: what security clearance did Trump lawyers Corcoran & Bobb have?
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 12:57 AM
Aug 2022
https://archive.ph/7K3vV
On June 3, Jay Bratt, the chief of the counterespionage section of the national security division of the Justice Department, went to Mar-a-Lago to meet with two of Mr. Trump’s lawyers, Evan Corcoran and Christina Bobb, and retrieve any remaining classified material to satisfy the subpoena. Mr. Corcoran went through the boxes himself to identify classified material beforehand, according to two people familiar with his efforts.

Mr. Corcoran showed Mr. Bratt the basement storage room where, he said, the remaining material had been kept.

Mr. Trump briefly came to see the investigators during the visit.

Mr. Bratt and the agents who joined him were given a sheaf of classified material, according to two people familiar with the meeting. Mr. Corcoran then drafted a statement, which Ms. Bobb, who is said to be the custodian of the documents, signed. It asserted that, to the best of her knowledge, all classified material that was there had been returned, according to two people familiar with the statement.

Mr. Corcoran did not respond to repeated requests for comment.


Evan Corcoran bio
https://www.silvermanthompson.com/m-evan-corcoran.html

These people were custodian of the classified documents and went through the boxes to pull classified documents. They should have security clearance but their bios do not reflect that.

crickets

(25,980 posts)
49. *ding!* They had no business being anywhere near the documents.
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 01:23 AM
Aug 2022

None of them did. It's like watching the Keystone Cops as this thing unfolds. The incompetence would be hilarious if it all weren't so deadly serious.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
57. He has a lifetime history with NDAs. He has ALWAYS been desperate to keep
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 09:38 AM
Aug 2022

certain things about his life completely secret, at least as long as he's alive.

flying_wahini

(6,594 posts)
62. I'm just betting that all those documents were searched for fingerprints, don't you?
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 11:39 AM
Aug 2022

Flynn probably has his all over them, among others.

My concern is that the reason the FBI knew about the other docs
is that he was sending them to Putin and CIA caught it.

lees1975

(3,859 posts)
73. If this had been almost anyone else, they'd be held in jail, passport confiscated, no bail
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 05:58 PM
Aug 2022

but of course, the GOP is the party of law and order, right?

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
74. I don't think this..
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 06:53 PM
Aug 2022

I can break the law as I damn well please as long as I have lots witnesses is going to work out well in the end for him.

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