The DOJ must act quickly. Trump will obstruct justice, tamper with witnesses, destroy evidence.

[fightforfreedom]

It being reported Trump himself went through the documents before he handed over the first batch of documents In January. In the first batch of documents the FBI found 150 classified documents. Game over.

In June DOJ officials paid Trump a visit. Trump handed over more classified documents. I have no idea what the hell the DOJ was doing from January through June. You would think they would have moved more quickly when they found 150 classified documents in January.

In June, two more Trump lawyers, who will go to prison, signed a document saying all documents have been turned over. This is when the DOJ finally took action and got a warrant. When all is said and done, how many Trump lawyers will go to prison? I lost count, 12, 15, 20, WTF.

Garland has Trump by the balls. They have the evidence, they can prove intent, they have witnesses and surveillance footage. Garland must prosecute and he must move as quickly as possible because Trump will corrupt the investigation.

It is time for the DOJ, FBI, to stop fucking around and end the terror of Trump. Prosecute the traitor, NOW!

There is nothing at risk here except the national security of our country.

[gab13by13]

1. What was DOJ doing from January of 2021?

It appears that DOJ didn't get involved until April 2022.

Trump has filed a suit against DOJ, asking for a special master, asking for some materials the FBI took to be returned. Trump is using the same tactic that I have been warning about for years, delay.

I don't watch cable news other than Nicolle and Chris, are the news anchors calling it a raid now and not a search? Maybe the new guy at CNN will forbid the anchors from calling it a search warrant?

[onenote]

7. DOJ got involved in February 2022

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There was no reason for them to be involved in January 2021 since not even the Archives was aware thee were documents missing at that time. It wasn't until May that NARA, during the process of going through the documents that had been transferred when Trump left office, realized that certain widely publicized materials they expected to see, such as the Kim Jong Un correspondence and the famous "sharpie weather map" weren't disclosed. At that point, NARA contacted Trump about missing documents. The Trump team drags its feet until January 2022, when it finally sends 15 boxes of material to NARA. It is then that it is discovered that the documents Trump hadn't delivered to NARA when he left office included highly sensitive classified material as well as destroyed documents. It is that discovery, in January 2022, that leads NARA, in early February, to contact DOJ, which opens an investigation. The existence of that investigation is made public in April 2022, but that's not when it started. It is this investigation, which involved interviews with a number of Trump associates, leads to the discovery that even more documents are still being stored at Mar A Lago, leading in turn to additional efforts, including a subpoena and an on site inspection by DOJ investigators in early June.

[gab13by13]

16. Why did it take so long

for the National Archives to discover there were TS/SCI documents missing?

[onenote]

44. How long do you think it took?

NARA received 15 boxes of material from Trump in January 2022. Until they received those boxes, NARA didn't know what was "missing" or what was in those boxes. According to the just-disclosed May 10, 2022 letter from NARA to one of Trump's representatives, "In its initial review of materials within those boxes, NARA identified items marked as classified national security information, up to the level of Top Secret and including Sensitive Compartmented Information and Special Access Program materials. NARA informed the Department of Justice about that discovery, which prompted the Department to ask the President to request that NARA provide the FBI with access to the boxes at issue so that the FBI and others in the Intelligence Community could examine them."

In other words, NARA discovered that the 15 boxes of material contained classified, top secret, SCI information shortly after receiving those boxes in January and within a very short time thereafter, had informed DOJ.

There is a process -- somewhat convoluted -- that governs NARA before it can provide anyone, even the FBI, access to Presidential Records that are in its possession. That statutory procedure, and how it was followed, is spelled out in the May 10 letter, which is available here:
https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/full-text-national-archives-letter-trump-classified-documents

[Jarqui]

2. Unfortunately, I suspect they're already too late for a bunch of it.

And Trump's folks are probably predictably scrambling to cover their tracks now.

And the DoJ is probably watching more closely than they realize ...

Like Watergate, it is the coverup that really nails intent.

[intrepidity]

3. The longer he goes without reckoning, the more credence his side of the story gets

Seems to me the options are mutually exclusive:

Either 1) tfg did things that endanger our national security or 2) it wasn't really that serious.

How DOJ responds tells us which it is.

[Scrivener7]

5. TS/SCI documents in Donald Trumps basement for 18 months.

It was serious.

[intrepidity]

6. Ok, let me refine my answer

Either: 1) it is serious and current DOJ is impotent; or 2) DOJ is fully competent, but the issue isn't serious enough to shut tfg down immediately.

I can't reconcile these things.

[onenote]

8. DOJ didn't know there still were classified materials in Trump's possession until this spring

Eighteen months? Not even close. Even NARA didn't discover that there classified materials in Trump's possession until February of this year. And it wasn't until DOJ began its investigation after being contacted by NARA that they learned that there were additional materials stored at Mar A Lago.

[intrepidity]

10. Then our "intelligence" isn't competent nt

[Scrivener7]

11. Why was that? How did these most secure documents

that are only allowed to be viewed by people with the highest clearances and then only in secure pods in federal buildings walk out the door in the first place? And when they did, how did that go unnoticed for a year?

[gab13by13]

17. Yeah, I don't get it either,

I even Googled the procedure for handling TS/SCI documents and I can't understand why the National Archives took so long to discover there were missing TS/SCI documents? I am either really stupid or something doesn't make sense, I'm hoping that I'm really stupid.

[Kingofalldems]

18. I am outraged by Trump stealing documents

and being a traitor.

[Scrivener7]

9. Given 1) that the designation means the documents are not

allowed to be seen except by a handful of people, and even those handful can only view them in special security pods in Federal buildings, and 2) the DOJ allowed them to continue to reside in Donald Trumps basement for 18 months 3) during which time they politely negotiated with him to return the documents and 4) took at least 3 passes (Feb, June Aug) and STILL don't have all the documents and 5) no one's ass is in jail yet over this...

I have to go with #1.

[intrepidity]

12. Unfortunately, that seems to be the case

No doubt spies the world over are watching all of this very closely, and salivating.

[Scrivener7]

13. And from here on, will share absolutely nothing with us.

[intrepidity]

15. Hard to envision how we crawl out of this hole

Trump mistook the Republican's dream of drowning the US govt in a bathtub and instead decided to drown the whole fucking country. Typical Trump.

[Fiendish Thingy]

39. It took 15 months to indict Schulte for espionage, and longer to convict him

And he was an intelligence expert who knew how to obstruct and delay.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7geyn/ex-cia-hacker-convicted-for-one-of-the-most-damaging-acts-of-espionage-in-american-history

Trump is going down, but don’t expect indictments right away.

[triron]

43. Then our republic is fucked. Eos

[Scrivener7]

4. "The DOJ must act quickly."

[Irish_Dem]

14. The facts suggest that Trump had/has the DOJ by the balls.

A huge cache of stolen classified documents in Trump's possession and they let it drag on for a long time?

[gab13by13]

20. Is someone at the National Archives involved?

I don't get why it took so long to determine that SC/SCI documents were missing?

My memory isn't that great, but I thought that the Archives had to issue a criminal referral to DOJ to get them involved? I could be wrong about this but for some reason that's what I remember.

[Irish_Dem]

27. At this point we don't know all the criminal players in this crime.

Yes the NA had to ask the DOJ to investigate the missing documents.

Yes the timeline is a disgrace.

[Hortensis]

41. "Had" is my assumption. We did have a change of administration

after all, and those people had far more understanding of the problem than any of us.

First step to wisdom is to know that we don't have "the facts," just some at best, and are always in danger of misinterpreting those we believe we do.

After all, three dots in hand may seem to be "the facts" that form a triangle with unmistakable certitude, but what happens to what we "know" when an unsuspected fourth dot is found and added? Then dozens more?

A way of saying, I really don't think you have enough facts to justify suggesting the current DoJ is corrupt. And where are all the facts that suggest it's not?

[Irish_Dem]

42. I could argue we have not been suspicious enough, and not connected enough dots right in front of us

And we have to consider that government officials may have been inept at best, corrupt at worst.

Detectives do their job by making making assumptions based on facts. And then checking out their assumptions.

The American pubic has been woefully naive and trusting.
Dangerously so.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

19. Here's a thought,

instead of lecturing what AG Garland and the DoJ should do on a chat board, why don't you call him up and tell him how he should be running the DoJ and how he should conduct this investigation?

I'm quite sure he's eagerly awaiting your call.

IOW, put your money where your mouth is.

[gab13by13]

21. Aren't we all on the same page?

Holding Donald Trump accountable for his crimes?

DOJ has a practice, usually, to go silent leading up to an election. My beef is with time constraints, if DOJ decides to indict Trump a trial will never happen before 2025.

[Walleye]

22. That is so bogus. Trump is not standing election for anything in November

Why does he even care who wins the midterms, vengeance and vindication his motive for everything.

[msfiddlestix]

36. Well, that may technically be true, however he is campaigning just the same for this Nov and 2024

I have text messages on MY PHONE to prove it.

It's happened before in the last election. Just yesterday I received a POTUS campaign message soliciting support to vote for Trump for the 3rd Time it said. The thing that boggles my mind, is my area code is an established East Bay (Alameda) region covers the Bluest of the Bluest in California.

It's hilarious and weird at the same time.

I read in the past few days how his campaigns stole voting registrants data from various swing states, iirc.

Just saying, may not have filed officially, but since when has he done anything legally?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

23. We are all wanting Benedict Donald held accountable for his various crimes

but unlike you and a few others here, I trust AG Garland and the DoJ to know what they're doing and not second guessing them on a chat board.

If you think that he's not doing this right, then call, email, snail mail, whatever, and tell him what he's doing wrong instead of complaining about it on a chat board that I seriously doubt he even knows about, or cares about.

You and I and everyone else here has every right, within the TOS of this site, to express our views and to expect pushback, that's part and parcel of this place, but it does get repetitive with all the negative threads and posts about AG Garland and the DoJ.

Anyway, that's my rant for the day.
Have a great Tue.

[Fiendish Thingy]

40. DOJ has a practice of being silent ALL THE TIME

They also have a practice of limiting actions against candidates close to elections, generally within 60 days.

Trump is not a candidate in the midterms, nor are his attorneys, nor are Meadows, Giuliani, Flynn, Eastman, Clark and many other co-conspirators.

Prosecuting espionage is not a wham-bam slam dunk process. It took 15 months to indict Joshua Schulte in one of the biggest espionage cases in history, even longer to convict him.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7geyn/ex-cia-hacker-convicted-for-one-of-the-most-damaging-acts-of-espionage-in-american-history

[Scrivener7]

24. Oh, FFS. You forgot to say this isn't a Law & Order episode. SMDH.

Do you really have nothing better than this?

That's nice that you have total faith in Garland. But there is no explanation in which this breach of our most sensitive levels of security is not a total fuck-up at all levels of our security apparatus. Including the DOJ.

[msfiddlestix]

26. ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ n/t

[MarineCombatEngineer]

28. Law & Order episode?

That's funny, you're a funny person.

Seems that's all you got.

Instead of complaining on a chat board, call him up and lecture him on how it should be done according to you and others here, not how AG Garland, who BTW, has decades more experience than you and others here, thinks it should be run.

Put your money where your mouth is.

[Scrivener7]

29. And you're so proud of that masterful ripost that you repeated it.

Kay.

See ya.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

31. Well, it was worth repeating.

Have a great Tue.

[BlackSkimmer]

33. Thank you. Saved me from typing the same.

[msfiddlestix]

25. It appears you have come to understand the urgency of the situation

Wasn't that long ago when you called for patience and faith that all was in hand, indictments, charges, prosecutions would be done in a timely manner just as soon as all the 'i's were dotted and 't's were crossed in the investigations which were underway.pursuant to all of the obvious, done in plain sight.

In recent posts you seem to be sharing concerns some of us have been experiencing, but we were admonished for expressing out loud.

I'm just saying, welcome to the club.

[fightforfreedom]

30. That is correct.

I understood the DOJ investigation into Jan 6th was going to take a long time. It is the largest investigation in our history. Hundreds of people are involved. I had no problem with Garland taking his time and doing things right.

The stolen documents investigation is a whole new ballgame and I have many questions on how this was handled. Time is a major factor when it comes to national security, stolen top secret documents. You can't let secret documents lay around for a year and a half.

[Scrivener7]

32. Time is a major factor when it comes to coups, too.

[msfiddlestix]

38. Absolutely.. It is also a "National Security Issue" Major,ly Big Time.

[msfiddlestix]

37. Yeppers... n/t

[BlackSkimmer]

34. This...

Exactly.

[triron]

35. The CIA could do something.?

[allegorical oracle]

45. Given T's ignorance, he still may have destroyed docs while POTUS. He's not smart but he's sly. nt