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Celerity

(54,407 posts)
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 07:29 AM Aug 2022

CNN Staff Fears Right-Wing Billionaire Will Turn It Into a Dumpster Fire

In this week’s edition of Confider, we look at how CNN’s shock firing of Brian Stelter has stoked internal fears centered around one libertarian billionaire board member.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/cnn-staff-fears-right-wing-billionaire-john-malone-will-turn-it-into-a-dumpster-fire



The fallout from the firing of Brian Stelter and the cancellation of Reliable Sources continues this week. CNN insiders tell Confider that staffers cannot shake the feeling the shocking move was made to appease John Malone, a right-leaning billionaire, close friend of the Murdoch family, and key Warner Bros. Discovery board member who has made it well-known that he would like CNN to be more “centrist”—whatever that means.

While Malone has denied he is “directly involved” in any decisions about CNN, multiple current and former staffers who spoke to us relayed a fear that the libertarian mogul is indirectly dictating an agenda to newly installed CNN boss Chris Licht. Sources further suggested that internal fears about future changes stem from how Licht has kept his cards close to his chest, with members of his own management team being left in the dark about next moves.

The news of Stelter’s axing was actually supposed to be announced Friday with a carefully managed story placed with NPR, sources told Confider, but the news leaked early, including—perhaps curiously—to two conservative outlets, the Daily Mail and the Tucker Carlson-founded Daily Caller, which were both tipped off on Thursday morning. Stelter had been an antagonist of right-wing media for much of his time at the Reliable Sources desk, but other similarly vocal CNN stars like Don Lemon and Jim Acosta are safe for now, sources familiar with the matter told Confider.

Instead, these insiders said, Licht will next turn his attention to “blowing up” CNN’s ratings-challenged morning show New Day, having brought on his old buddy Ryan Kadro from CBS to help rework it. Nevertheless, staffers fear further cutbacks and more layoffs as Licht, who has told friends he speaks to David Zaslav on a daily basis, seemingly carries out the Warner Bros. Discovery CEO and his board’s wishes to make CNN less controversial and, in the words of several current and former CNN staffers, “more vanilla.”

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CNN Staff Fears Right-Wing Billionaire Will Turn It Into a Dumpster Fire (Original Post) Celerity Aug 2022 OP
... Lucinda Aug 2022 #1
CNN is just filing the void that OAN left behind. TheBlackAdder Aug 2022 #53
You did great...I like the hand drawn look of the letters changed! Lucinda Aug 2022 #63
we need less vanilla Layzeebeaver Aug 2022 #2
Wow NJCher Aug 2022 #9
In my view, there is no need to insult.. HUAJIAO Aug 2022 #23
I was sincere NJCher Aug 2022 #29
I'm sorry you feel that way Layzeebeaver Aug 2022 #42
I'm not a doom scroller and I appreciate your post. femmedem Aug 2022 #12
thought providing posts NJCher Aug 2022 #31
I think you're exactly right. FoxNewsSucks Aug 2022 #33
good luck to CNN trying to draw in more Rethuggie eyeballs, Trump poisoned that well ages ago Celerity Aug 2022 #40
OTOH, the new agenda may not work to attaining a meaningful profit. no_hypocrisy Aug 2022 #3
That is what I was thinking. Why shift right when all the people who want to watch Ray Bruns Aug 2022 #16
Zactly. Duppers Aug 2022 #22
It is the goal of the owners FoxNewsSucks Aug 2022 #34
CNN will still be the disaster porn channel for the masses. House of Roberts Aug 2022 #4
Can you dvr NJCher Aug 2022 #10
I can, for the moment. House of Roberts Aug 2022 #25
How close is CNN to completely shutting down? jimfields33 Aug 2022 #5
Bring back an FTC that works for the people, not conglomeration. Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2022 #6
The President of Hungry recently said ..... Lovie777 Aug 2022 #7
Hitler knew this and established his own Nazi newspaper, along with many other forms of Lonestarblue Aug 2022 #32
A strong message was sent to all employees at CNN. Fall in line or you will be next. Ferrets are Cool Aug 2022 #8
It was already a dumpster fire FBaggins Aug 2022 #11
There are actually good journalists doing good journalism there Doc Sportello Aug 2022 #15
Why was anyone still watching CNN to begin with? Heather MC Aug 2022 #13
Please some recommendations. I watch You Tube and need good news sources. Pepsidog Aug 2022 #19
This is my favorite youtube channel for news dbonds Aug 2022 #39
As bad as mainstream media may be SouthBayDem Aug 2022 #27
Mainly for one simple reason FoxNewsSucks Aug 2022 #35
There's always some filthy rich sociopath Farmer-Rick Aug 2022 #14
An unsubstantiated opinion piece from a former executive editor of the right wing National Enquirer Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #17
Some of us are and that means not having our heads in the sand Doc Sportello Aug 2022 #21
If you think the Zuckerberg era at CNN was a period that embodied good journalism Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #24
Thinking a push to the right for CNN is an improvement is not rational thinking Doc Sportello Aug 2022 #43
sure, he is really repping the RW at TDB and carrying water for Murdoch - not Celerity Aug 2022 #28
So are you attempting to claim that Lachlan Cartwright wan't the executive editor of the right wing Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #30
you have done nothing to debunk the article, you just make ad hominem arguments and try to Celerity Aug 2022 #37
Pointing out Lachlan Cartwright's long tenure working in senior position at right wing rags Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #38
Talk about making things up Doc Sportello Aug 2022 #44
Somebody making false and unvetted claims on Daily Kos Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #47
You are conflating CNN with the Daily Kos? Doc Sportello Aug 2022 #48
Follow the links. One was to an unvetted story that invents claims against Licht. Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #50
And where are these "invented claims" you speak of? Doc Sportello Aug 2022 #51
It doesn't point to the New York Times it links to the right wing Washington Free Beacon. Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #54
Oops on you Doc Sportello Aug 2022 #57
My reference in this instance was to the "evidence" of other news stories Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #58
OMG Doc Sportello Aug 2022 #59
Dude, the Daily Kos article was linked by another poster as "evidence" in Post #30. Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #60
MSNBC step up and hire Stelter. Pepsidog Aug 2022 #18
Great, looks like Briana Keilar and others are next Doc Sportello Aug 2022 #20
+1000. miyazaki Aug 2022 #49
IMO Malone sees a power vacuum where Fox News has lost influence and credibility. Ford_Prefect Aug 2022 #26
Trouble Desert Dog Aug 2022 #36
Good point about the links Doc Sportello Aug 2022 #46
There is zero evidence that Chris Licht is looking to "whitewash crazy christian right goals." Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #55
Paging COLBERT: Take your ex-producer back and lay some whoopass on him. UTUSN Aug 2022 #41
Networks come, networks go Baggies Aug 2022 #45
Too fucking late: CNN is Fox News Lite. Raster Aug 2022 #52
The right wing ruins everything! Initech Aug 2022 #56
CNN has been crap since the mid-1990s tenderfoot Aug 2022 #61
More like a tRumpster Fire Blue Owl Aug 2022 #62

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
53. CNN is just filing the void that OAN left behind.
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 02:34 PM
Aug 2022

.

I suck at anything with graphics, so hopefully someone can run with this.

CNN - Filling the Void OAN Leaves Behind







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Layzeebeaver

(2,286 posts)
2. we need less vanilla
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 07:36 AM
Aug 2022

and more bitters!

They can polish this turd anyway they want. It's another brick in the wall of rightwing control of the news media across the board. One by one these news outlets will be controlled and snuffed out.

And the next Jan 6th event will take place in front of us without violence - and it will not be televised

NJCher

(43,164 posts)
9. Wow
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 07:57 AM
Aug 2022

You’re really good at providing content for the doom scrollers.

I’ll bet you could even get a job doing that!

Layzeebeaver

(2,286 posts)
42. I'm sorry you feel that way
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 12:02 PM
Aug 2022

My intention was to point out my opinion on the matter.

Everyone is entitled to interpret my opinions as they individually see fit according to their own opinions.

femmedem

(8,561 posts)
12. I'm not a doom scroller and I appreciate your post.
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 09:02 AM
Aug 2022

I thought your post was thought-provoking and cleverly written. If someone would like to offer a rebuttal, I hope it will be based on something more than insults. Don't let it keep you from offering your opinion again!

NJCher

(43,164 posts)
31. thought providing posts
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 10:10 AM
Aug 2022

don't usually include four-letter words starting with "t."

But then, maybe for some people, they do.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,702 posts)
33. I think you're exactly right.
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 10:19 AM
Aug 2022

In this country, "vanilla" is boring and doesn't get eyeballs (or ratings). So the stated goal of more rightwing, less-controversial, doesn't add up to the also-stated goal of increased ratings.

They've all tried to beat the Fox "news" Sewer at its game and none have managed to do it. Not even the extremist crackpot channels like OAN or NewsMax.

The corporations will allow the appearance of diverse coverage, on limited topics, for a while. But the future is definite unless something changes. They'll all be rightwing.

no_hypocrisy

(54,906 posts)
3. OTOH, the new agenda may not work to attaining a meaningful profit.
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 07:37 AM
Aug 2022

My understanding of media competition is that you don't make money being an imitation.

Example: the NYC metropolitan market. There are two RW talk radio stations: WABC and WWOR. The latter is always trailing behind the former b/c WOR copied the format of ABC. (BTW, Sean Hannity and Rush moved from ABC to WOR and didn't improve the ratings of the station.)

So, let's wait and see.

Ray Bruns

(6,362 posts)
16. That is what I was thinking. Why shift right when all the people who want to watch
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 09:31 AM
Aug 2022

RW media are already watching Fux news.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,702 posts)
34. It is the goal of the owners
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 10:22 AM
Aug 2022

They want money, but their desire to control the message is more important. Clear Channel did that with most of the old Air America stations. Profitable stations with good ratings were switched to other formats, usually sports, and the ratings went to near-zero. After all, most cities don't need an 8th sports station. . .

Maybe they make just enough to cover expenses, if not it's a write-off. But in any case, the goal was attained - liberal talk and truth is denied an outlet.

House of Roberts

(6,525 posts)
4. CNN will still be the disaster porn channel for the masses.
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 07:38 AM
Aug 2022

Without Stelter, I only have one show I'll watch on Sunday, and that's Fareed Zakaria, and even he is too right leaning on economic issues, and too pro India, which is where he is from.

House of Roberts

(6,525 posts)
25. I can, for the moment.
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 09:59 AM
Aug 2022

I'm planning on dumping cable TV pretty soon, if I can manage to watch all the Doctor Who episodes I've yet to see. When my DVR is cleared, I'm done.

Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
6. Bring back an FTC that works for the people, not conglomeration.
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 07:43 AM
Aug 2022

Conglomeration has all but eliminated competition. There are too few owners of too much of the media 'consumed' by the American public.

Lovie777

(22,971 posts)
7. The President of Hungry recently said .....
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 07:53 AM
Aug 2022

Those who controls the media controls the narrative. The alarm has been sounding off for quite sometime. It needs to be shut off, and more "open" journalism needs to prevail.

Lonestarblue

(13,480 posts)
32. Hitler knew this and established his own Nazi newspaper, along with many other forms of
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 10:17 AM
Aug 2022

Nazi propaganda. He created a sense of victimization for non-Jewish German citizens by blaming Jews for Germany’s economic woes. Sound familiar? Republicans live to bash George Soros for supporting Democrats, but they’re not so subtly bashing Jews at the same time.

Putin controls the media in Russia. It’s how totalitarian regimes survive.

Fox is 100% Republican propaganda, and Murdoch’s purchase of the WSJ turned their opinion pages into right-right justification and apologia for all things Republican. Billionaire Bezos hired Sally Buzbee as the head of the Post, and she has taken the Post in a rightward direction, most recently adding Jason Willick, of the WSJ Fox garbage opinion page, to the lineup of Republican defenders who mostly justify whatever Trump does. The Post does still publish progressive columnists like Jennifer Rubin and Eugene Robinson, but even their main articles often have a rightward bias, as when they cover everything Trump for days on end and leave an article on Biden signing a major bill up front for a few hours.

NPR is mostly still pretty balanced, though right-wing thinking does occasionally creep into their news programs.

Ferrets are Cool

(22,957 posts)
8. A strong message was sent to all employees at CNN. Fall in line or you will be next.
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 07:55 AM
Aug 2022

It's despicable, but there it is.

FBaggins

(28,706 posts)
11. It was already a dumpster fire
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 08:13 AM
Aug 2022

It's just that there's little reason to think that this makes it any less of one.

Doc Sportello

(7,964 posts)
15. There are actually good journalists doing good journalism there
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 09:28 AM
Aug 2022

A democracy depends on an active media holding the powers that be to account. We don't have a lot of that anymore but Stelter and others on the network like Keilar, Acosta and others held the dump administration to account for four years. Yes it has too much of the breakign news BS but it is far from a dumpster fire. We're already seeing more RW guests on there spewing lies and that is not good for our democracy.

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
13. Why was anyone still watching CNN to begin with?
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 09:22 AM
Aug 2022

YouTube has much better independent news sources.

Did aren't trying to get us with glitz and glamor lol

SouthBayDem

(33,282 posts)
27. As bad as mainstream media may be
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 10:04 AM
Aug 2022

Too many youtubers are even worse with a lack of fact checking/quality control in favor of their own agendas. Gotta be real careful who to believe in the internet. Sam Seder’s Majority Report has funny political videos and even good in depth interviews.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,702 posts)
35. Mainly for one simple reason
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 10:28 AM
Aug 2022

Turn on tv, there it is.

YouTube is readily available, but how does one know where to find a show or what to even search for to find a good news show? It's why AM radio did so well with talk shows. Just get in the car and there it is.

Immediacy and ease. One or two clicks of the remote or car radio, instead of a lot of navigating even to what you know about. I wish that weren't the case, but I think that's the main reason.

Farmer-Rick

(12,667 posts)
14. There's always some filthy rich sociopath
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 09:24 AM
Aug 2022

Backing some hateful and destructive policy.

Look at now dead Pete Peterson who left behind his billions to work on doing away with Social Security. He's long dead but his son has billions tax free to push taking away your retirement.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
17. An unsubstantiated opinion piece from a former executive editor of the right wing National Enquirer
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 09:33 AM
Aug 2022

who also wrote for the right wing Murdoch owned papers the New York Post and The Sun (UK).

Use your heads people.

Doc Sportello

(7,964 posts)
21. Some of us are and that means not having our heads in the sand
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 09:42 AM
Aug 2022

Here's a sampling of other reports:

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3609152-discovery-execs-flex-their-muscles-as-stelter-toobin-shown-the-door-at-cnn/

https://deadline.com/2022/08/cnn-firings-brian-stelter-chris-licht-john-malone-warner-bros-discovery-1235096292/


Funny how a poster with so few posts feels entitled to slur posters here who are on top of an evolving situation. Hopefully, these other reports meet your standards, but you seem to have an agenda on this topic.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
24. If you think the Zuckerberg era at CNN was a period that embodied good journalism
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 09:52 AM
Aug 2022

then we have a decided difference of opinion.

My only adenda is approaching the story from a position of rationality, rather than relying on invented quotes and fake stories from the Daily Kos.

CNN's "news" coverage could use massive improvement.

Doc Sportello

(7,964 posts)
43. Thinking a push to the right for CNN is an improvement is not rational thinking
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 01:32 PM
Aug 2022

I've given a list in this thread of the journalists such as Stelter, Keilar and Acosta who have done great journalism during very trying times for the media in the dump era. They used facts to bolster their analysis. I urge you to watch Stelter's last show. Carl Bernstein and other solid journalists on and they explain why their work is so important in a democracy and the role that Reliable Sources played as CNN's longest-running media show.

CNN isn't perfect but your painting with a broad brush doesn't show rationality; it demonstrates a lack of knowledge about the work that Keilar and Stelter, especially, have done in holding repubs accountable. I doubt if you watched any of those segments but I can tell you definitely did embody good journalism when the country needed it most. That isn't partisanship - it's good journalism. BTW, if you want to talk about "fake news" and "made up quotes" (funny since those are the same terms RWers use) you need to back that up with examples and links from CNN. Unless you are deliberately trying to conflate CNN with the Daily Kos. then don't bother because that tells me all I need to know.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
30. So are you attempting to claim that Lachlan Cartwright wan't the executive editor of the right wing
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 10:10 AM
Aug 2022

National Enquirer or a reporter for a succession of right wing Murdoch-owned papers?

Because that won't fly.

His story is classic clickbait.

Celerity

(54,407 posts)
37. you have done nothing to debunk the article, you just make ad hominem arguments and try to
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 11:04 AM
Aug 2022

introduce FUD.

I also showed you where Cartwright has repeatedly went after the Murdochs.

You seem pretty invested in trying to deny that Malone, Zaslav, and Licht are already have a deleterious impact on CNN and taking actions and making statements in terms of sliding it to the right.


His story is classic clickbait.


Nope, and TBD is hardly the only media outlet running with this.



From February:

Trump Donor John Malone Could Soon Be Calling Shots at CNN

https://fair.org/home/trump-donor-john-malone-could-soon-be-calling-shots-at-cnn/




and more recently


CNN Boss Chris Licht Warns Anxious Staffers Over “More Changes” After Axing Of ‘Reliable Sources’ And Exit Of Brian Stelter

https://deadline.com/2022/08/cnn-firings-brian-stelter-chris-licht-john-malone-warner-bros-discovery-1235096292/



CNN's new CEO met with GOP lawmakers to promise CNN will become more Republican

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/8/19/2117719/-CNN-s-new-CEO-met-with-GOP-lawmakers-to-promise-CNN-will-become-more-Republican



EPISODE 16: COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN 8.22.22

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-16-countdown-with-keith-olbermann-8-22-22/id1633301179?i=1000576896358

https://barrettsportsmedia.com/2022/08/23/keith-olbermann-cnn-boss-chris-licht-is-a-corporate-butt-kisser/

“[Chris Licht] is the evil corporate butt kisser Frank Hackett from the classic movie “Network” come to life,” Olbermann said. “Thursday, Licht let it leak that he was canceling CNN’s 30-year-old media show Reliable Sources and firing its host Brian Stelter, who is a bet noir of the fascist crowd.

“Friday, Licht complained the story leaked, and he also told staffers, ‘there will be more changes, and you might not understand it or like it at all.'” Olbermann then went after Warner Bros. Discovery President David Zaslav for his repeated desire to be a centrist network and want the network to be a home for Democrats and Republicans.

However, Olbermann adds that those on the right have rejected mainstream outlets, some even moving away from Fox News. “Plus, there’s Licht’s boss David Zaslav, who previously said America needs a news network where everybody can come and be heard; Republicans, Democrats,” Olbermann said.

“The stupidity of that, of course, is that Republicans long ago rejected CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, Washington Post, New York Post, Associated Press, Agence France-Presse. They’ve even now begun to reject Fox.”

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NPR’s Eric Deggans Warns CNN Against Creating ‘False Equivalence’ Between Left- and Right-Wing Politics

https://www.thewrap.com/npr-eric-deggans-warns-cnn-false-equivalence-left-right-video/

NPR’s Eric Deggans has some concern about the more apolitical direction that CNN is seeking under its new boss Chris Licht, saying on the network, “I hope that what we’re not going to see CNN do is institute some sort of false equivalence.”

On the final episode of“Reliable Sources” Sunday, the NPR TV critic said he thinks the problem with the perception of the media right now is the lens through which it looks at today’s politics and the lack of accountability for politicians who break the law or use damaging rhetoric.

“The problem is that people put a political lens on top of something that is about preserving democracy and about holding politicians accountable,” Deggans said during his segment on Brian Stelter’s final show, which was canceled last week. “When you have one politician who’s denouncing the press as the enemy of the people. When you have one politician who insists that he won an election that he did not win. When you have one politician who’s blaming immigrants unfairly for America’s ills, you have to have a journalism apparatus that is free to call out those excesses, without fear of being accused of being unfair. And I think that’s the problem.”






Brian Stelter rebukes CNN on final show: ‘It’s not partisan to stand up to demagogues’

Host says, ‘It is not partisan to stand up for decency and democracy and dialogue,’ after CNN cancels media show Reliable Sources

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/aug/22/brian-stelter-cnn-cancels-show-reliable-sources

Brian Stelter, host of CNN’s media affairs show Reliable Sources which was cancelled last week after 30 years on air, used his final episode on Sunday to make a pointed rebuke of the network’s new bosses and their intention to pursue a more “neutral voice” to its coverage.

“It is not partisan to stand up for decency and democracy and dialogue,” Stelter said in his final monologue, which he stressed was unvetted by CNN management before he delivered it live. “It is not partisan to stand up to demagogues – it’s required, it’s patriotic.” He added: “We must make sure we do not give a platform to those who are lying to our faces.”

CNN gave Stelter his marching orders last Wednesday, just four months after the network came under new leadership appointed by its owners, Warner Brothers Discovery. CNN head Chris Licht, who took over after the February departure of Jeff Zucker, has indicated that he wants to tone down the opinion quotient of its shows and “return” to an older, straighter and in his view less overtly leftwing style of reporting.

It is perhaps predictable that Stelter was to become one of the first casualties among CNN’s stars under the new leadership. As NPR’s media correspondent, David Folkenflik, explained, Stelter was a thorn in the side of the Donald Trump White House, regularly exposing its lies and misinformation. As a result, he was “targeted for frequent criticism from conservatives for his coverage of the media during the Trump years”.

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Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
38. Pointing out Lachlan Cartwright's long tenure working in senior position at right wing rags
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 11:12 AM
Aug 2022

including serving as the executive editor of the National Enquirer and working as a reporter for right wing Murdoch papers on both sides of the Atlantic is NOT an "ad hominem" attack, but rather a truthful rendition of the facts of the matter.

The Daily Kos "article" you linked to was not vetted by anyone, and they say so when one clicks the link. This article invents things that Chris Licht never said.

I think some healthy skepticism is in order.

Doc Sportello

(7,964 posts)
44. Talk about making things up
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 01:36 PM
Aug 2022

You have been given plenty of countering articles and facts, while you keep repeating this mantra about the author as if that answers everything while ignoring tons of differing takes and facts and using ad hominem attacks. Sorry, but Celerity kicked your butt on this one.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
47. Somebody making false and unvetted claims on Daily Kos
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 01:49 PM
Aug 2022

does not count as "facts".

Licht desiring to raise journalistic standards at CNN and to move way from sensationalism (every story being "BREAKING NEWS" ) are good moves IMO. Nothing remotely right wing about that.

The liberal Democratic position prevails as the one that is sane and rational when the news is presented in a straight fashion

Doc Sportello

(7,964 posts)
48. You are conflating CNN with the Daily Kos?
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 01:56 PM
Aug 2022

This discussion is about CNN, not the Daily Kos, no matter how many times you try to pull this stunt. There is nothing sane or rational about doing that. It's actually the fake news you claim to be against. You haven't come up with one fact, just smears against CNN which - as I pointed out in another thread - has serious and good journalists like Stelter and Keilar. Check out their past work then get back to us. Hopefully you will have learned something about their coverage of dump - and it was factual and responsible.

BTW, if you think these moves are because "Licht wants to raise journalistic standards" then there is nothing sane in your argument. It's the same excuse being used by RWers. This is about power, pure and simple. He's an errand boy doing the dirty work of higher ups.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
50. Follow the links. One was to an unvetted story that invents claims against Licht.
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 02:07 PM
Aug 2022

It is an unverified story.

I'm not "pulling any stunts," and ascribing bad motives to people is against the TOS.


I have not "smeared" CNN. I do think they could use a serious upgrade by providing more news and less opinion-entertainment that alternates with the disaster of the moment coverage.

Having great news sources that people can trust works to our benefit as liberal Democrats.

Doc Sportello

(7,964 posts)
51. And where are these "invented claims" you speak of?
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 02:30 PM
Aug 2022

The story links to the New York Times. So your point is the Times is making up quotes?

Again not one single link to prove your claims. And thanks anyway for the advice about the TOS. Better luck next time. If you have to go that route instead of facts, well ...

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
54. It doesn't point to the New York Times it links to the right wing Washington Free Beacon.
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 02:40 PM
Aug 2022

Oops.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/8/19/2117719/-CNN-s-new-CEO-met-with-GOP-lawmakers-to-promise-CNN-will-become-more-Republican

And Licht never promised to make "CNN more Republican." That's malarkey!

Media Bias / Fact Check rates the Washington Free Beacon as somewhere between right wing and extreme right wing.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-free-beacon/

Doc Sportello

(7,964 posts)
57. Oops on you
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 03:12 PM
Aug 2022

Putting it charitably, perhaps you are thinking of another thread? You're posting in this thread:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17072942

This is a Daily Beast article that links to the NYT. The first linked article using quotes is a link to the New York Times.

Now my advice to you: time to take a step back and take a deep breath, maybe go for a walk. When you can't even get the article right you're commenting on that could be a sign of emotion over rationality, could it not?

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
58. My reference in this instance was to the "evidence" of other news stories
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 03:16 PM
Aug 2022

that included Daily Kos (as I have explained multiple times).

I'm not sure I'm the one in need of a walk. You might want to review the thread and then offer me an apology.

Doc Sportello

(7,964 posts)
59. OMG
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 03:36 PM
Aug 2022

You can't just "reference" other stories as if they apply to this thread - which in this case is conflating CNN and Daily Kos based on nothing. The thread is about CNN. Get it, CNN. Nothing you linked to has anything to do with the story or the author on this thread. Nor do they have anything to do with CNN. That's like posting about making chocolate cake and referring to recipes for blueberry pie. Sheesh.

The only apology here should be yours. Both Celerity and I argued honestly here with links, facts and rationality. But it's obvious there is a blind spot here and not worth continuing. BTW, your alert was voted down.

Off to ignore you go. BYEEE

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
60. Dude, the Daily Kos article was linked by another poster as "evidence" in Post #30.
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 04:05 PM
Aug 2022

I was directly responding to that post.

Thank you for putting me on ignore. That's a relief.

Doc Sportello

(7,964 posts)
20. Great, looks like Briana Keilar and others are next
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 09:37 AM
Aug 2022

Keilar did fantastic journalism with her fact-based segments taking the repub liars to account. She often used their own quotes to show their hypocrisy and lies, but she will be gone. Also, from what I read frequent dump critic Jim Acosta and even Jake Tapper are set to go as well.

I don't get these attacks from DUers on CNN journalists who performed the extremely necessary act in a democracy of holding the repubs in power accountable. Acting like a rightward shift of CNN based on marching orders from a RW billionaire is no big deal, to me shows a level of ignorance about media's role in a democracy. For all its faults CNN played a role in counteracting the Orwellian narrative spun by the right the past four years. What's going on at CNN matters for our democracy.

Desert Dog

(95 posts)
36. Trouble
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 10:35 AM
Aug 2022

This is a big problem. CNN helps define the norm. This move is going to be an effort to whitewash crazy christian right goals. All those stories we think should be dominating the week will get a few hours on the day they happen, then back to vanilla BS. People say they want more good news. Is this the crowd CNN wants? Will be interesting to see how they handle changes in power. Are they pro govt / happy news despite political changes , or do they drift back and forth? That is one of the most alarming things about Fox bias. When GOP is in power, they are administration cheerleaders. When the Democrats are in power, they whine about everything and free form create bizarre issues.

This is going to hurt us on Google / social media too. Those sites love to link to CNN and Fox stories. Right wing propaganda is going to dominate that aggregate market. Sure seems like it is time for a pro left news service. Maybe if it came from a foreign nation? If CNN is going to go soft, maybe the answer is Hard News. Edgy. In your face. Tell it like it is. Less nuance and more concise. Make it a generational thing. Stop the BS and tell it like it is. There is enough crazy stuff going on that the left should be able to cherry pick stories too. What if there was a world aggregation aspect to the service? Pluck big stories from around the world. Maybe acquire existing stories from other news services?

Weird this is happening as big corporations like Walmart and Disney are supporting reproductive rights. Sometimes you think you are making progress is the corporate world and then someone comes in with a wad of cash and changes the information landscape. While not a new phenomena, the size of the transaction and it's potential effects are alarming.

Doc Sportello

(7,964 posts)
46. Good point about the links
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 01:40 PM
Aug 2022

I've seen so many posts on here saying "I don't care, I get my news from the internet" - not thinking that often these are mostly aggregator sites that, as you point out, use links to CNN to support their "news". This move is not good news for those who think solid journalism is an important part of our democracy.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
55. There is zero evidence that Chris Licht is looking to "whitewash crazy christian right goals."
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 02:42 PM
Aug 2022

Baggies

(666 posts)
45. Networks come, networks go
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 01:39 PM
Aug 2022

CNN has been trash for a while. I doubt trying to shift streams will help. They should have never shifted to the one that got them to where they are now.

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