Maybe don't ask the parking garage lawyer to file your federal motions.

[kpete]

More filing problems for Trump legal team in its FBI search lawsuit.

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[Ocelot II]

1. The Florida lawyer isn't the parking garage lawyer - that's Alina Habba,

who is objectively terrible while also managing to be obnoxious. The Florida lawyer, Lindsey Halligan, handles insurance claims and has never appeared in federal court before. The numpty who signed the receipt for the stolen documents at Mierda Loco is Christina Bobb, a former OAN host. What they all have in common, besides being exquisitely unqualified to handle the kind of unholy messes TFG gets himself into, is that they are attractive young women whose appearance on TV impressed him. https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trumps-legal-team-includes-a-former-oan-host-a-lawyer-for-a-parking-garage-company-and-kash-patel-selling-tank-tops-and-beanies/

[PJMcK]

2. Okay

How about explaining this.

“Hac Vice”?

Sure, Trump has lousy lawyers but your post is vague and uninformative.

[Omnipresent]

3. "Hac vice" is a latin term...

“I’m in over my head”.

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4. Apparently, pro hac vice means:

Not licensed to be a lawyer in that jurisdiction, but allowed to act as one anyway in a particular case.

So I guess to have to ask the court's permission for this. Of course, if you're going to ask to be act as a lawyer without the proper license, it behooves you to at least get the procedure right...

[PJMcK]

8. Thank you

The OP was very unclear.

Much appreciated.

[PCIntern]

10. Somebody should put his head in

A Pro Hack Vise

[Volaris]

19. Ya and isn't court procedure taught in pre-law, yaknow, LIKE MATH?

IANAL, but seems to me that stuff would be drilled into your head from year one classwork, so you don't act like an ass turning in class papers lol...

[unblock]

22. Well, in fairness, procedure varies for jurisdiction to jurisdiction

Because of this, I think many law schools actually do *not* go into much detail in terms of how to fill out paperwork and such.

Also, in the case of a pro hac vice, someone by definition is asking for permission to act as a lawyer in an unfamiliar jurisdiction, so naturally they're not going to be fluent in the particular procedures of that jurisdiction.


That said, if you're asking for permission to do that, studying up on procedure and getting it right is majorly important. I mean, botching proper procedure is not at all a good way to convince a judge you're as good as someone who is properly licensed in that jurisdiction.


Side note, joe Pesci goes through this process in "my cousin Vinny". I don't recall if they used the term though.

[Volaris]

23. I thought there were a set of procedural court rules that were universal across

Differing jurisdictions?

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24. There's a standard, sure. But also differences from state to state.

And individual courts may put their own mark on things if they think it works better for them or is more proper.

It's unclear if, in this case, something was done that would be considered incompetent in any jurisdiction, or if they merely got tripped up by an issue unique to that court.

My money is on general incompetence but i can't be certain.

[gratuitous]

5. When an attorney appears in a case

Ordinarily, attorneys practice in the states and federal districts where they are admitted to practice law. Sometimes, however, they appear in cases outside the jurisdictions they're admitted to practice in. This can happen for any number of reasons, such as their expertise in a certain area of law. In order to practice in that other jurisdiction, they file a motion with the court asking to be admitted "pro hac vice," a Latin phrase roughly translated as "for this occasion only."

Different jurisdictions have different requirements for admitting an out-of-jurisdiction attorney to appear in a case, but the usual ones are that they are an attorney in good standing in their own jurisdiction(s), they carry malpractice insurance, and they associate with an attorney that is admitted to practice in this other jurisdiction. The native jurisdiction attorney has a responsibility to make sure that the pro hac vice attorney follows all local rules, is aware of special deadlines and practices in the other jurisdiction, and so forth.

What the story is with the former guy's filing looks to me like a slap-dash effort thrown together at the last minute by people who don't know what they're doing. Most litigants would be embarrassed for their lawyers to have done such a piss-poor job.

[PJMcK]

7. Thanks for the explanation

I’m a musician, not a lawyer so I appreciate your taking the time to explain the OP.

[Ms. Toad]

11. I've participated in cases in perhaps a dozen states

(as a lawyer for a corporation with a national & international presence). I've never been denied a motion to be admitted pro hac vice, and I don't recall any of the opposing counsel (or others on my side) in any of those cases ever being denied either.

At least in my experience, this is unusual.

[gratuitous]

12. It's a routine filing for anyone with experience

On another post, they have a screen shot of the court's order rejecting the application. It looks to me like they didn't use the correct form, and I don't see that they had any attachments or exhibits showing that the applicants are members in good standing of their own bars, or that they are carrying malpractice insurance.

Also rather egregious to me is their persistent naming of their client at President Donald J. Trump (not "former President," just "President" ). He ain't the president, guys.

[Ms. Toad]

13. I couldn't tell why it was rejected.

But I loved the point to the sample forms - hint-hint - we're treating you like a pro se litigant. (I'm sure it's standard language, but I'd be embarassed to have the court point me to samples I could use to model my motions on.)

I also noticed the lack of the word former. In informal talk it is pretty common to omit part of the title. We talk about President Obama, for example, without using the word former. I was (still am even after retirement) addressed as Dean, rather than my formal title which was Assistant Dean. My grandfather was addressed until his death as Senator - 20-ish years later. BUT - in legal documents or formal communications, accuracy is critical. He is not President Trump. He is former President Trump. (And if I were opposing counsel, I'd even drop "former President" and might even define "former President Donald J. Trump" as Donald. Usually I'd use the last name to make him less personal - but I suspect he'd be more annoyed by being referred to as Donald. But that's just me being petty.)

[EndlessWire]

17. I looked that up.

Former Presidents are properly referred to as President So-and-so or Mr. President. It annoyed me, too.

[gratuitous]

20. In media stories, that's true

But not in court filings. The former guy is not the president and has not been the president during the time at issue here.

[EndlessWire]

16. That Judge was pissed, and told them to do it over!

That IS embarrassing. And, she wanted to know why they didn't go to the other Judge! LOL.

So, Friday there will be more.

[Deminpenn]

18. Thought I heard this is a very conservative, Trump

appointed judge, too, and her confirmation was pushed through during the lame duck senate session of 2020.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

15. This makes me smile

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[LetMyPeopleVote]

6. This filing is really stupid

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[treestar]

9. the clear front runner should he decide to run

gawd but he is insane!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

14. Here is another screw up

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[harumph]

21. Trump better call Saul!

[FSogol]

25. M. Trusty or M. Not Trusty?