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imanamerican63

(13,837 posts)
Fri Aug 26, 2022, 12:46 PM Aug 2022

This affidavit is alarming but yet.....

very damming to Trump and his illegal attempt to steal top secret items. I was a bit apprehensive about it being released, but the DOJ has done an exceptional job of giving out only the information that will only make their case stronger! Nicely done Merrick Garland and the DOJ!

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This affidavit is alarming but yet..... (Original Post) imanamerican63 Aug 2022 OP
I was with the release since the start because I believed the DoJ will do a good job at redacting Claustrum Aug 2022 #1
Can u post a copy? Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2022 #2
No, just listening to what is reported on the radio. imanamerican63 Aug 2022 #3
Here's a link to it on CNN's website: GregariousGroundhog Aug 2022 #4
Hmmm, I see the word "ketchup" was finally blacked out on that one page FoxNewsSucks Aug 2022 #13
Here: dalton99a Aug 2022 #5
Thank you so much!!! Was hitting that link today and Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2022 #21
Example of previous archivist communications AnnaLee Aug 2022 #6
That is how most federal agencies operate BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #10
Yes, worked for Feds too back in 2002. You could not sneeze Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2022 #23
TY, AG Garland! SheltieLover Aug 2022 #7
The GQP Traildogbob Aug 2022 #8
Yes, the big oaf still has no idea who ratted him out Warpy Aug 2022 #9
Unless MBS or Pootie wants it to be found. rubbersole Aug 2022 #11
"some of it will never be found." FoxNewsSucks Aug 2022 #12
and how much was copied and disseminated Evolve Dammit Aug 2022 #15
...and left with the crooked lawyer of his choice? Warpy Aug 2022 #16
Could have given them out as door prizes for all we know. Evolve Dammit Aug 2022 #20
8 people. That's what I counted in the redacted doc. Just based Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2022 #24
Maybe someone will point that out to him Warpy Aug 2022 #26
Ya, just a pure guess based on spacing. Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2022 #27
And, So Grateful to see AG Garland Cha Aug 2022 #14
Garland will "Get Him." So will Letitia James. (N Y Atty Gen.) Trump will be gotten, takes time. Stuart G Aug 2022 #17
I think a number of things got revealed ... Jarqui Aug 2022 #18
Thanks for this analysis. blue neen Aug 2022 #22
I didn't read every word either. Too busy. Too much. Jarqui Aug 2022 #25
I am hoping that the FBI is doing some investigation on to whom trump may have given that info Escurumbele Aug 2022 #19

Claustrum

(4,846 posts)
1. I was with the release since the start because I believed the DoJ will do a good job at redacting
Fri Aug 26, 2022, 12:47 PM
Aug 2022

while giving enough rope to hang TFG. He will regret asking for it to release thinking DoJ wouldn't so he can keep lying.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,436 posts)
13. Hmmm, I see the word "ketchup" was finally blacked out on that one page
Fri Aug 26, 2022, 02:25 PM
Aug 2022

Earlier revisions left it in the clear.

AnnaLee

(1,041 posts)
6. Example of previous archivist communications
Fri Aug 26, 2022, 01:42 PM
Aug 2022

I haven't seen the archive.gov site linked and hope I am not redundant, but I found this letter to Evan Corcoran from the Acting Archivist of the US last May to be a good example of how the archivists tried with polite but firm responses to work with the Trump people. They tried to explain why documents need to remain with the government.

https://www.archives.gov/files/foia/wall-letter-to-evan-corcoran-re-trump-boxes-05.10.2022.pdf

BumRushDaShow

(130,032 posts)
10. That is how most federal agencies operate
Fri Aug 26, 2022, 02:12 PM
Aug 2022

including the one I retired from. You do the standard boilerplate requests, citing the CFR regs that apply, and then increasingly escalate those written communications, with references back to previous attempts and offering to "meet" if that would provide clarification for what needs to be done - all in order to give that party the benefit of the doubt, and chance to be responsive.

And when they keep blowing you off, then that is when you run to DOJ to "tell on them" and have DOJ be "The Enforcer®".

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
23. Yes, worked for Feds too back in 2002. You could not sneeze
Fri Aug 26, 2022, 11:33 PM
Aug 2022

without running it up the chain. In fact a miniscule, benign little change in a inconsequential accounting procedure took months to enact. Many months.

So to even have an inkling that the gov is not following strict protocol in trump stolen docs is beyond fathomable.

Traildogbob

(8,899 posts)
8. The GQP
Fri Aug 26, 2022, 01:56 PM
Aug 2022

And Fox are historically filling in every single black mark with their bullshit right now. My god I hate that big chuck of this country. Followed a car on my way to DMV through town just now. It had a huge sticker “God Loves Trump”. The rage I feel is not healthy. An unbelievable stupid population. Please Garland, lock this asshole away. Let God deal with him with that love.

Warpy

(111,462 posts)
9. Yes, the big oaf still has no idea who ratted him out
Fri Aug 26, 2022, 02:05 PM
Aug 2022

and will keep getting more suspicious of everybody around him every day that passes.

Good.

I don't honestly think anyone had to rat him out, the National Archives knew exactly what was missing.

The sad part is that we know some of it will never be found.

Warpy

(111,462 posts)
16. ...and left with the crooked lawyer of his choice?
Fri Aug 26, 2022, 03:21 PM
Aug 2022

JAIL ME? YOU'LL BE SORRY!

He's not that smart, but somebody who still believes in him as god's anointed might be.

Warpy

(111,462 posts)
26. Maybe someone will point that out to him
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 12:34 AM
Aug 2022

and make him even more paranoid than i think he'll be.

He can't trust his staff, he can't trust his family, he can't trust any of his honored guests (although I think the joint is closed in the off season, he's not there to have his, er, ring kissed.

I wouldn't be surprised it it's a whole lot of people. Eight seems a bit much.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
27. Ya, just a pure guess based on spacing.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 09:21 AM
Aug 2022

But it could be just two if each witness had a paragraph and not just listed.

Love how you called Mar a Lardo a JOINT. Lol




Stuart G

(38,458 posts)
17. Garland will "Get Him." So will Letitia James. (N Y Atty Gen.) Trump will be gotten, takes time.
Fri Aug 26, 2022, 03:25 PM
Aug 2022

Trump has committed many crimes. They got to dot their p's & Ques. The charges must be totally correct.
They will be. Trump, after time, will be found guilty. Weather he ends up in jail, will be up to the judge & jury.

Jarqui

(10,131 posts)
18. I think a number of things got revealed ...
Fri Aug 26, 2022, 03:42 PM
Aug 2022

- little that is good for Trump

We learned more details about how it unfolded.

It provides more details on what they found in the first fifteen boxes - 25 top secret documents for example.
What they anticipated in the warrant more specifically appears to be validated by what they found.

It counters Trump's claim that he declassified the material.

It lays out some of the criminal legal rationale in an additional exhibit.

It addresses why they had to redact (that these witnesses could be at risk or suffer retaliatory acts) and in doing so, establishes they have several cooperating civilian witnesses. You see 20+ pages redacted - which is a little stunning.

It details how the classified documents were not secure. The SCIF Trump had for reviewing classified material at Mar-a-lago does not exist anymore. Classified documents were mixed haphazardly with other documents.

The affidavit shows the back and forth on this between Trump, NARA and the DoJ lasted more than a year (starting in May 2021 or before).
It affirms the claim of Trump & his attorney that all classified documents had been returned. (but the subsequent search proved otherwise and therefore, was justified)

The letter from Trump's lawyer is revealing. It and more in the affidavit goes to the heart of the obstruction charge which hasn't been talked about as much. They also specify some of what Patel was saying. Trump is going to have a problem defending that letter and Patel. There is a video where Patel contradicts to say Trump tried to do a blanket declassification and was unable to over the objections of his people and post Oval office time, Patel was going to try to get the records declassified. They felt that there was evidence of obstruction of justice at Mar-a-lago - which was part of the basis of the search.

They also sought to recover Presidential documents for NARA.

They outline that they need to continue to investigate who had access to this info, etc. - it's ongoing.

Past FBI agent said on ABC "This case is much further down the road than many cases I've worked on in the past - which suggests that the fact it is Mar-a-lago and the former POTUS doesn't seem to be slowing them down."

The affidavit puts in black & white that there is a substantial investigation of crimes here with 20+ pages of redacted summary evidence.

I think back to the Trumpers on the Manafort jury and when they saw the evidence in black and white - that turned them against Manafort.

I cannot help but wonder what the powerbrokers of the GOP are thinking after looking at this.

I think the media will spend mega hours going over this and it will be very difficult to dismiss it as a nothing burger.

As one put it, Trump desperately needs a really good criminal lawyer.

I think the FBI/DoJ were smart. They put out enough that doesn't appear to compromise their case or witnesses but will convince many that Trump broke the law and he has a real problem here. And that should put fewer FBI and DoJ personnel at risk along with reducing the risk to the judge.

It was never going to be good news for Trump. I think that was a pretty good effort - ticked a lot of boxes.

blue neen

(12,335 posts)
22. Thanks for this analysis.
Fri Aug 26, 2022, 11:30 PM
Aug 2022

I didn't feel like reading the whole thing. It looks like you summed it up pretty well.

Jarqui

(10,131 posts)
25. I didn't read every word either. Too busy. Too much.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 12:33 AM
Aug 2022

I kind of sped read it and then followed some credible experts called up by the media discussing it. And I made notes.

I do think there is more to it than that. More will come out as it is digested and people join the dots.

No one mentioned this either - I had not seen them before today:
Sworn declaration by Patrick Byrne
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.617854/gov.uscourts.flsd.617854.72.0_5.pdf
Wild tale of Trump making Sidney Powell White House Special Council and granting her Top Secret Security Clearance and then reversing his decision after meeting eith Rudy Giuliani

Sworn declaration by Bruce Bergy
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.617854/gov.uscourts.flsd.617854.87.0_5.pdf
He mentions potential stealing voter data
He mentions Navarro & Garrett Ziegler assisted the group in circumventing White House security protocol on Dec 18th
He was asked to lie about Hunter Biden's laptop by Rudy and Tore
He was at the Willard Hotel meeting prior to Jan 6th
He cites an example of documents marked "Pre-decisional Exempt from FOIA" even though the decision had already been made.
He backed up Byrne's affidavit on the meeting in Miami
The email exchanges talk about "the significance of having all information destroyed"
The email exchanges discuss the value of digital scans of the ballots being worth $2,000 sold to a campaign. And whatever campaign uses them will win.

Some of that stuff is wilder than the whole FBI affidavit for a search warrant.



Escurumbele

(3,417 posts)
19. I am hoping that the FBI is doing some investigation on to whom trump may have given that info
Fri Aug 26, 2022, 03:47 PM
Aug 2022

because I don't think the SOB took the papers just to have them, someone out there has copies of it. I have to assume that he sold those documents or used it to pay some of the debts he has with shady characters.

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