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NewsCenter28

(1,837 posts)
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 03:49 AM Aug 2022

*Documents in Trump posession contained info on top CIA informants. Many later ended up dead!*




This information is so staggeringly serious that, in my view, DOJ should speed up it's indictment timeline. This is an eggregious act of treason that makes the Rosenbergs look like they just stole a cookie from a child's cookie jar.

Background:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html

Counterintelligence officials said in a top secret cable to all stations and bases around the world that too many of the people it recruits from other countries to spy for the U.S. are being lost.


Also, a reminder:

https://www.salon.com/2019/08/03/trumps-white-house-issues-an-ominous-request-for-a-list-of-top-u-s-spies_partner/

The Trump White House has asked the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) to provide it with a list of top American spies at a time when President Donald Trump is looking to install a loyalist as his new intelligence chief.

The Daily Beast reports that the administration wants the ODNI to deliver an inventory of “all its employees at the federal government’s top pay scale who have worked there for 90 days or more,” although it has not offered an official justification for why it wants the office to do this.


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*Documents in Trump posession contained info on top CIA informants. Many later ended up dead!* (Original Post) NewsCenter28 Aug 2022 OP
Omg Demovictory9 Aug 2022 #1
need direct link pfitz59 Aug 2022 #2
Direct link to what? NJCher Aug 2022 #9
TFG is the greatest traitor, and national security threat this country has ever had, duforsure Aug 2022 #3
Let's also remember how many died in Iraq mucifer Aug 2022 #4
Yes, never forget True Blue American Aug 2022 #8
Bush can travel overseas if he wants. former9thward Aug 2022 #30
When has Bush traveled over seas? True Blue American Aug 2022 #31
This is the first one that popped up on google. former9thward Aug 2022 #32
THIS malaise Aug 2022 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author duforsure Aug 2022 #5
A grifter YoshidaYui Aug 2022 #6
If true, this is truly a nightmare... calimary Aug 2022 #7
The NYT seems to be sticking to this story. Duppers Aug 2022 #10
Just horrifying! calimary Aug 2022 #11
But wasn't it NSA who decided doj cannot prosecute? SheltieLover Aug 2022 #16
In this case? Duppers Aug 2022 #21
Sorry, not sure. SheltieLover Aug 2022 #23
When the docs are too sensitive to provide copies to the defense... Justice matters. Aug 2022 #22
One word malaise Aug 2022 #12
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++!!! 2naSalit Aug 2022 #14
Holy cow! SheltieLover Aug 2022 #15
Kremlin papers appear to show Putin's plot to put Trump in White House (The Guardian) Justice matters. Aug 2022 #17
The Guardian article is so on point... crickets Aug 2022 #28
Sorry to say, this is a bit misleading lanlady Aug 2022 #18
High level execs of an agency are often called "top spies" and killing them is even worse Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #19
How many Russian nationals, paid informants to provide insider intel either died... Justice matters. Aug 2022 #20
True, Ma'am --- Different Animaculea Entirely The Magistrate Aug 2022 #24
I think our assets in foreign countries were killed. nt Ilsa Aug 2022 #26
Spying for Putin yourout Aug 2022 #25
Nyet collusion though? czarjak Aug 2022 #27
and once again du scoops the grey lady mopinko Aug 2022 #29

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
3. TFG is the greatest traitor, and national security threat this country has ever had,
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 04:07 AM
Aug 2022

While he claims he and his followers are the victims, and promotes lie after lie projecting his baseless claims its political. He needs to be behind bars asap or this will continue to escalate, and get much worse. This needs to stop now.

mucifer

(25,667 posts)
4. Let's also remember how many died in Iraq
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 04:15 AM
Aug 2022

A war for no reason and Viet Nam.

I think we often forget how horrible our past presidents were too

True Blue American

(18,579 posts)
8. Yes, never forget
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 04:57 AM
Aug 2022

The Traitors who got away. Bush and Cheney are 2. Bush can not travol over seas because he is a war criminal. So is Kissinger. Trump joined this group.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
30. Bush can travel overseas if he wants.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 08:28 PM
Aug 2022

And he has. There are no restrictions. No country has any judicial proceedings against him. The same with Kissinger or Trump. It is an internet myth they can't travel.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
32. This is the first one that popped up on google.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 12:24 PM
Aug 2022

There are others.

Former President George W. Bush and his wife are currently touring Africa and visiting Tanzania, Zambia and Ethiopia from December 1 to 5. The president and Mrs. Bush will use the trip to focus on some of the initiatives that Bush advocated for and strongly supported while in office.

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/president-george-w-bushs-trip-to-africa-reflections-on-foreign-policies-toward-africa/

Your link has nothing about not be able to do foreign travel.

Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Duppers

(28,469 posts)
10. The NYT seems to be sticking to this story.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 05:31 AM
Aug 2022

This connection must be proven in court; after which, Hump should be at least imprisoned for life.

Yes, he's responsible for many deaths.
How many people have known yet said nothing?


SheltieLover

(80,454 posts)
16. But wasn't it NSA who decided doj cannot prosecute?
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 06:41 AM
Aug 2022

Due to sensitivity of the material?

So, if true, this will never be proven in court.



Duppers

(28,469 posts)
21. In this case?
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 07:29 AM
Aug 2022

Different articles, different conclusions.


I admit I have a lot more reading to do and I appreciate the incentive you've given me, my friend.

There seems to be so much, so many crimes he can & should be charged with having committed.



I need some sleep.



We all are with Liz Cheney on this one...

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/07/prosecute-trump-january-6-doj/670511/

SheltieLover

(80,454 posts)
23. Sorry, not sure.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 07:47 AM
Aug 2022

I literally cannot keep up with the crimes.

I think it was about the documents he'd stolen. But is it related?

Get some rest, my friend.

Justice matters.

(9,787 posts)
22. When the docs are too sensitive to provide copies to the defense...
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 07:34 AM
Aug 2022
Obstruction of Justice

Lying to the FBI (need to flip the lawyer who signed the false document)
18 U.S.C. § 1001 FALSE STATEMENTS, CONCEALMENT
https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-903-false-statements-concealment-18-usc-1001

(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully--

(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;

(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation;  or

(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;

shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.

https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-18-crimes-and-criminal-procedure/18-usc-sect-1001.html



Witness tampering (Marie Yovanovitch spent 33 years as a diplomat, including as the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine from 2016-2019. She met Volodymyr Zelenskyy before he even announced his presidential campaign in 2018. Now retired and watching what’s going on in the country where she once held a post, she sees many keeping up the fight for a free Ukraine.)

§1505. Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees (J6 Committee)

18 USC Ch. 73: OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE
From Title 18—CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I—CRIMES
...
1510.Obstruction of criminal investigations.
...
1512.Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant.
...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1512



Justice matters.

(9,787 posts)
17. Kremlin papers appear to show Putin's plot to put Trump in White House (The Guardian)
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 06:48 AM
Aug 2022
Kremlin papers appear to show Putin’s plot to put Trump in White House
This article is more than 1 year old
Exclusive: Documents suggest Russia launched secret multi-agency effort to interfere in US democracy


Vladimir Putin personally authorised a secret spy agency operation to support a “mentally unstable” Donald Trump in the 2016 US presidential election during a closed session of Russia’s national security council, according to what are assessed to be leaked Kremlin documents.

The key meeting took place on 22 January 2016, the papers suggest, with the Russian president, his spy chiefs and senior ministers all present.

They agreed a Trump White House would help secure Moscow’s strategic objectives, among them “social turmoil” in the US and a weakening of the American president’s negotiating position.

Russia’s three spy agencies were ordered to find practical ways to support Trump, in a decree appearing to bear Putin’s signature.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/kremlin-papers-appear-to-show-putins-plot-to-put-trump-in-white-house




Trump Had Yet Another Secret Meeting With Putin

No U.S. officials were reportedly present during the president's meeting with the Russian leader at the 2018 G-20 summit

The Financial Times reported on Tuesday that when Trump spoke with Vladimir Putin during the G-20 summit in November, no U.S. official was on hand to take notes. The only other two people present for the conversation, which lasted roughly 15 minutes, were First Lady Melania Trump and Putin’s translator. The group was reportedly “among the last to leave” their table. Though the White House had acknowledged that the two spoke informally while in Argentina, the conversation was “longer and more substantive” than had been implied previously. The White House also failed to note that no official was present as the two leaders spoke.

The news comes just weeks after the Washington Post reported that Trump went out of his way to hide details of his conversation with Putin at the 2017 G-20 summit in Hamburg, Germany. Though a U.S. translator was present at that meeting, Trump confiscated her notes and told her not to discuss what was said with any other administration officials (then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson was also present). During a dinner that night, Trump sought out Putin for a second, informal meeting that lasted close to an hour. He didn’t tell advisers about this second meeting, and the White House didn’t confirm it took place until after it was reported on days later. While flying home to Washington, D.C., the next day, Trump dictated a false statement about Russian adoptions for Donald Trump, Jr. to give to the New York Times, which was seeking an explanation for why Trump’s eldest met with a delegation led by a Kremlin-connected lawyer Natalya Veselnitskaya in Trump Tower the previous summer. It was later revealed that Trump, Jr., was attempting to obtain damaging information about Hillary Clinton from Veselnitskaya.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-putin-secret-meeting-786384/


The Benedict Trumps sold US intelligence assets out?

LOCK.EM.UP!!!!!

crickets

(26,168 posts)
28. The Guardian article is so on point...
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 11:50 AM
Aug 2022

and depressing. No paywall: https://archive.ph/vNegA

I'm still angry that people around him allowed tfg to meet with Putin or any other Russian representatives with no official notes taken or preserved. There's no way that that should ever have happened.

lanlady

(7,229 posts)
18. Sorry to say, this is a bit misleading
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 06:50 AM
Aug 2022

In the Salon article, the "top spies" it refers to were US Government executives employed at our intelligence agencies, for instance, directors and assistant directors at NSA, CIA, ODNI... not foreign spies providing intelligence to USG. There's no connection between them and the confidential informants referenced in the NYT article. HCS-classified information of the type Trump stole wouldn't contain information on USG intel executives.

What Trump did was bad enough, though. If I were the head of an intelligence agency right now I'd be banging on the door of the Justice Department demanding indictments and prosecutions. Trump needs to thrown in jail before he does any more damage to the national security.

Irish_Dem

(81,263 posts)
19. High level execs of an agency are often called "top spies" and killing them is even worse
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 06:59 AM
Aug 2022

then killing field agents.

The top spies have decades of experience and knowledge.

Justice matters.

(9,787 posts)
20. How many Russian nationals, paid informants to provide insider intel either died...
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 06:59 AM
Aug 2022

or stopped communicating what they know and went into hiding, fearing for their lives?

We may never know the extent of the orange menace's treachery.

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
24. True, Ma'am --- Different Animaculea Entirely
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 07:51 AM
Aug 2022

The list of Federal employees was desired to assess 'political reliability' from a trumpster point of view, with an eye to firing anyone loyal to the United States.

The cable refers to casualties among assets abroad.

yourout

(8,820 posts)
25. Spying for Putin
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 07:55 AM
Aug 2022

There was a time this would have resulted in a short drop followed by a sudden stop.
Like the Rosenbergs

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