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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums*Documents in Trump posession contained info on top CIA informants. Many later ended up dead!*
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This information is so staggeringly serious that, in my view, DOJ should speed up it's indictment timeline. This is an eggregious act of treason that makes the Rosenbergs look like they just stole a cookie from a child's cookie jar.
Background:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html
Counterintelligence officials said in a top secret cable to all stations and bases around the world that too many of the people it recruits from other countries to spy for the U.S. are being lost.
Also, a reminder:
https://www.salon.com/2019/08/03/trumps-white-house-issues-an-ominous-request-for-a-list-of-top-u-s-spies_partner/
The Trump White House has asked the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) to provide it with a list of top American spies at a time when President Donald Trump is looking to install a loyalist as his new intelligence chief.
The Daily Beast reports that the administration wants the ODNI to deliver an inventory of all its employees at the federal governments top pay scale who have worked there for 90 days or more, although it has not offered an official justification for why it wants the office to do this.
Demovictory9
(37,113 posts)pfitz59
(12,704 posts)not supposition
NJCher
(43,165 posts)I dont understand what you are asking.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)While he claims he and his followers are the victims, and promotes lie after lie projecting his baseless claims its political. He needs to be behind bars asap or this will continue to escalate, and get much worse. This needs to stop now.
mucifer
(25,667 posts)A war for no reason and Viet Nam.
I think we often forget how horrible our past presidents were too
True Blue American
(18,579 posts)The Traitors who got away. Bush and Cheney are 2. Bush can not travol over seas because he is a war criminal. So is Kissinger. Trump joined this group.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)And he has. There are no restrictions. No country has any judicial proceedings against him. The same with Kissinger or Trump. It is an internet myth they can't travel.
True Blue American
(18,579 posts)former9thward
(33,424 posts)There are others.
Former President George W. Bush and his wife are currently touring Africa and visiting Tanzania, Zambia and Ethiopia from December 1 to 5. The president and Mrs. Bush will use the trip to focus on some of the initiatives that Bush advocated for and strongly supported while in office.
https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/president-george-w-bushs-trip-to-africa-reflections-on-foreign-policies-toward-africa/
Your link has nothing about not be able to do foreign travel.
The truth
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YoshidaYui
(45,413 posts)Gotta Grift!
calimary
(90,019 posts)Duppers
(28,469 posts)This connection must be proven in court; after which, Hump should be at least imprisoned for life.
Yes, he's responsible for many deaths.
How many people have known yet said nothing?
calimary
(90,019 posts)SheltieLover
(80,454 posts)Due to sensitivity of the material?
So, if true, this will never be proven in court.
Duppers
(28,469 posts)Different articles, different conclusions.
I admit I have a lot more reading to do and I appreciate the incentive you've given me, my friend.
There seems to be so much, so many crimes he can & should be charged with having committed.
I need some sleep.
We all are with Liz Cheney on this one...
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/07/prosecute-trump-january-6-doj/670511/
SheltieLover
(80,454 posts)I literally cannot keep up with the crimes.
I think it was about the documents he'd stolen. But is it related?
Get some rest, my friend.
Justice matters.
(9,787 posts)Lying to the FBI (need to flip the lawyer who signed the false document)
18 U.S.C. § 1001 FALSE STATEMENTS, CONCEALMENT
https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-903-false-statements-concealment-18-usc-1001
(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;
shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.
https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-18-crimes-and-criminal-procedure/18-usc-sect-1001.html
Witness tampering (Marie Yovanovitch spent 33 years as a diplomat, including as the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine from 2016-2019. She met Volodymyr Zelenskyy before he even announced his presidential campaign in 2018. Now retired and watching whats going on in the country where she once held a post, she sees many keeping up the fight for a free Ukraine.)
§1505. Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees (J6 Committee)
From Title 18CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART ICRIMES
...
1510.Obstruction of criminal investigations.
...
1512.Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant.
...
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1512
malaise
(296,101 posts)TRE45ON!
2naSalit
(102,791 posts)SheltieLover
(80,454 posts)Justice matters.
(9,787 posts)This article is more than 1 year old
Exclusive: Documents suggest Russia launched secret multi-agency effort to interfere in US democracy
Vladimir Putin personally authorised a secret spy agency operation to support a mentally unstable Donald Trump in the 2016 US presidential election during a closed session of Russias national security council, according to what are assessed to be leaked Kremlin documents.
The key meeting took place on 22 January 2016, the papers suggest, with the Russian president, his spy chiefs and senior ministers all present.
They agreed a Trump White House would help secure Moscows strategic objectives, among them social turmoil in the US and a weakening of the American presidents negotiating position.
Russias three spy agencies were ordered to find practical ways to support Trump, in a decree appearing to bear Putins signature.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/kremlin-papers-appear-to-show-putins-plot-to-put-trump-in-white-house
Trump Had Yet Another Secret Meeting With Putin
No U.S. officials were reportedly present during the president's meeting with the Russian leader at the 2018 G-20 summit
The news comes just weeks after the Washington Post reported that Trump went out of his way to hide details of his conversation with Putin at the 2017 G-20 summit in Hamburg, Germany. Though a U.S. translator was present at that meeting, Trump confiscated her notes and told her not to discuss what was said with any other administration officials (then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson was also present). During a dinner that night, Trump sought out Putin for a second, informal meeting that lasted close to an hour. He didnt tell advisers about this second meeting, and the White House didnt confirm it took place until after it was reported on days later. While flying home to Washington, D.C., the next day, Trump dictated a false statement about Russian adoptions for Donald Trump, Jr. to give to the New York Times, which was seeking an explanation for why Trumps eldest met with a delegation led by a Kremlin-connected lawyer Natalya Veselnitskaya in Trump Tower the previous summer. It was later revealed that Trump, Jr., was attempting to obtain damaging information about Hillary Clinton from Veselnitskaya.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-putin-secret-meeting-786384/
The Benedict Trumps sold US intelligence assets out?
LOCK.EM.UP!!!!!
crickets
(26,168 posts)and depressing. No paywall: https://archive.ph/vNegA
I'm still angry that people around him allowed tfg to meet with Putin or any other Russian representatives with no official notes taken or preserved. There's no way that that should ever have happened.
lanlady
(7,229 posts)In the Salon article, the "top spies" it refers to were US Government executives employed at our intelligence agencies, for instance, directors and assistant directors at NSA, CIA, ODNI... not foreign spies providing intelligence to USG. There's no connection between them and the confidential informants referenced in the NYT article. HCS-classified information of the type Trump stole wouldn't contain information on USG intel executives.
What Trump did was bad enough, though. If I were the head of an intelligence agency right now I'd be banging on the door of the Justice Department demanding indictments and prosecutions. Trump needs to thrown in jail before he does any more damage to the national security.
Irish_Dem
(81,263 posts)then killing field agents.
The top spies have decades of experience and knowledge.
Justice matters.
(9,787 posts)or stopped communicating what they know and went into hiding, fearing for their lives?
We may never know the extent of the orange menace's treachery.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)The list of Federal employees was desired to assess 'political reliability' from a trumpster point of view, with an eye to firing anyone loyal to the United States.
The cable refers to casualties among assets abroad.
Ilsa
(64,368 posts)yourout
(8,820 posts)There was a time this would have resulted in a short drop followed by a sudden stop.
Like the Rosenbergs