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elleng

(141,926 posts)
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 12:12 AM Aug 2022

WaPo Bombshell: Trump Took Boxes of Material on Trips Around the World for 'No Reason'

There are a couple of salient facts that many people do not know regarding the problem with Trump keeping Top-Secret/SCI files. They paint a very sinister picture.

First, these boxes at issue had been kept in the residence of the White House for some time prior to Trump moving back down to Mar-a-Lago. Indeed, there was enough concern about these very boxes that there were discussions weeks prior to the move with White House Counsel Pat Cipollone about getting these boxes back. Just reading through the lines one can tell that others (Archivists and the intelligence community) were acutely aware of the fact that Trump kept these records in the residence, didn’t like it, and was already worried about his plans for them.

From today’s WaPo: . . .

Then the Washington Post buried the lede a bit. This paragraph is simply shocking in light of all we’ve read to this point:

Boxes of documents even came with Trump on foreign travel, following him to hotel rooms around the world — including countries considered foreign adversaries of the United States.

“There was no rhyme or reason — it was classified documents on top of newspapers on top of papers people printed out of things they wanted him to read. The boxes were never organized,” Grisham said. “He’d want to get work done on long trips so he’d just rummage through the boxes. That was our filing system.”'>>>

https://www.politicalflare.com/2022/08/wapo-bombshell-trump-took-boxes-of-material-on-trips-around-the-world-for-no-reason/?

Who needs PBS' Masterpiece, Endeavor, when we've got THIS???

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WaPo Bombshell: Trump Took Boxes of Material on Trips Around the World for 'No Reason' (Original Post) elleng Aug 2022 OP
Is it treason yet? nt OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2022 #1
It's BEEN treason, for YEARS. elleng Aug 2022 #2
Yeah, I've been hammering the strict definition of treason all along, but ... Novara Aug 2022 #59
Pretty much where I am at with this treason-clown. OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2022 #66
One of two things, this stuff was his vanity stash, or he was shopping the stuff. Thomas Hurt Aug 2022 #3
or making deliveries. mopinko Aug 2022 #48
K n R ! Thanks for posting! JoeOtterbein Aug 2022 #4
Yep. That's a good point. Knowledge is power - and fear. calimary Aug 2022 #57
The traitor was hawking our national secrets like Trump wine dalton99a Aug 2022 #5
What? 2naSalit Aug 2022 #6
The first good use of Gitmo I can think of. This is a multi-state RICO action going on. Plenty of OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2022 #7
That's what I think. 2naSalit Aug 2022 #10
Yup. It's always been a terrible place that I thought had no AllyCat Aug 2022 #18
And the location is perfect. 2naSalit Aug 2022 #46
YES! elleng Aug 2022 #11
It slays me to think how many people saw MontanaMama Aug 2022 #9
There were so many leaks about him NJCher Aug 2022 #13
It's getting closer to... 2naSalit Aug 2022 #14
Spot on!! K&R onetexan Aug 2022 #43
Abu Ghraib. With halliburton doing the electrical work. niyad Aug 2022 #27
Excuse me? GuppyGal Aug 2022 #8
Adding further injury to insult, Mme. Defarge Aug 2022 #12
I know, I was thinking NJCher Aug 2022 #15
Go for it! Mme. Defarge Aug 2022 #17
K&R Solly Mack Aug 2022 #16
Alternating between stunned disbelief and rage. yorkster Aug 2022 #19
Yup. That sounds about right..... electric_blue68 Aug 2022 #38
Rage. Rage that America has been so fully violated by that garbage fucker Novara Aug 2022 #60
Boy, they'd better work on disqualifying him from ever running for office again. Kablooie Aug 2022 #20
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! secondwind Aug 2022 #26
Holy shit. SunSeeker Aug 2022 #21
KnR Hekate Aug 2022 #22
What. The. Actual. Fuck. 😖 ShazzieB Aug 2022 #23
It just keeps getting worse! Novara Aug 2022 #61
Kick burrowowl Aug 2022 #24
NO REASON? How's this for a (t)reason? DFW Aug 2022 #25
OY! elleng Aug 2022 #28
Please tell me this isn't true. EndlessWire Aug 2022 #29
Maybe Stephanie Grisham? yorkster Aug 2022 #31
TY! n/t EndlessWire Aug 2022 #41
He sounds like an old fashioned traveling salesman BigmanPigman Aug 2022 #30
If he isn't treasonous, he's bat shit nuts. Laffy Kat Aug 2022 #32
I don't think they're mutually exclusive. nt Phoenix61 Aug 2022 #44
The other reason is he could sell US secrets. I'm positive that is what this is about now. Maraya1969 Aug 2022 #45
So as more details emerge, things are starting to make more sense. Grammy23 Aug 2022 #33
+1 orangecrush Aug 2022 #37
It was his Oprah moment COL Mustard Aug 2022 #34
Of course they were being sold. RocRizzo55 Aug 2022 #35
How much more orangecrush Aug 2022 #36
just to work out the deets of his arrest. mopinko Aug 2022 #49
I wonder what it will take to convince MAGATs COL Mustard Aug 2022 #39
Traitor tot offered free shipping. Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2022 #40
Obviously fake news Rstrstx Aug 2022 #42
Does seem like something a traveling salesman, with something to sell, would do. empedocles Aug 2022 #47
But wait, there''s more.... The NYT and Reuters also had buried ledes BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #50
Thank you for posting this. nt crickets Aug 2022 #52
You're welcome BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #53
It's a good bet he's squirreled away some papers at Bedminster crickets Aug 2022 #55
I would not be surprised if that came BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #58
Yep. I know it's not nice to second quess after the fact, but... crickets Aug 2022 #63
Well I expect since MAL was supposedly the "primary residence" BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #64
Devil's advocate... He's still wrong, but... TigressDem Aug 2022 #51
"Were people trying to get him to pay attention..." BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #54
He sold it all. Everything this country has done since WWII to protect itself gldstwmn Aug 2022 #56
And no one blew the whistle? kentuck Aug 2022 #62
Is there a link? YellerKitty Aug 2022 #65
Trump's Little Library gone Mobile Global Reading Room nt Grasswire2 Aug 2022 #67
For a yearly fee, they got Trump Prime Delivery. tanyev Aug 2022 #68

Novara

(6,115 posts)
59. Yeah, I've been hammering the strict definition of treason all along, but ...
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 04:26 PM
Aug 2022

... selling America's classified information to foreign entities is about as goddamned treasonous as you can get.

This motherfucker needs to be arrested and in custody NOW. Every damn minute he breathes free air means more of America's secrets in danger of being sold, it means America's secret operatives' lives are at risk.

2naSalit

(102,778 posts)
6. What?
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 12:23 AM
Aug 2022

Like the fucking bookmobile of US secrets FFS!

Lockl them all up and figure out how many trials we need to make sure they all go to prison for a long time. Gitmo should not be decommissioned yet.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,133 posts)
7. The first good use of Gitmo I can think of. This is a multi-state RICO action going on. Plenty of
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 12:28 AM
Aug 2022

space and isolation to put these traitors.

2naSalit

(102,778 posts)
10. That's what I think.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 12:33 AM
Aug 2022

They need to be off the continent to avert the magats trying to "spring" them, not like they would succeed but still, they'd try. Gitmo finally will have a legitimate use.

AllyCat

(18,839 posts)
18. Yup. It's always been a terrible place that I thought had no
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 01:11 AM
Aug 2022

reason to exist.

Now I know what it is for.

MontanaMama

(24,721 posts)
9. It slays me to think how many people saw
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 12:31 AM
Aug 2022

the cavalier manner in which documents were managed by the traitor etc and said nothing when it was going on. The Secret Service most likely witnessed atrocities going down with our national secrets and stood back and stood by. This gets worse by the goddamn minute.

NJCher

(43,157 posts)
13. There were so many leaks about him
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 12:44 AM
Aug 2022

Why oh why wasn’t this a leak?

The SS definitely, but any administrative aid would know this is a break in security procedures and could have tipped off a reporter. Why did not a one of them have the courage to do so?



2naSalit

(102,778 posts)
14. It's getting closer to...
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 12:45 AM
Aug 2022

Everything I suspected. People would have thought I was really wacko if I had said it all in public. I did tell a couple confidants and they call me to tell me how shocked they are that I was right and that it's all so absurd.

There's more. We haven't heard much about the traitors who were placed at the pentagon or the thread that connects pompeo and others.

NJCher

(43,157 posts)
15. I know, I was thinking
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 12:48 AM
Aug 2022

of promo lines for a book with this plot:

When the POTUS is a Spy

Cover illustration of a body hanging. Title: it All Comes Down from the Top

yorkster

(3,832 posts)
19. Alternating between stunned disbelief and rage.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 01:18 AM
Aug 2022

Trump and the whole treasonous wrecking crew have wrought havoc. And we are no doubt at the tip of the iceberg stage. Gawd knows the extent of this.

And why the hell was this not a huge story today.

Repulsed by all those people who said nothing for years.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
60. Rage. Rage that America has been so fully violated by that garbage fucker
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 04:36 PM
Aug 2022

I feel like we've been violated as a country and I hate HATE HATE every single goddamned republican for not putting a stop to any of this when it might have made a difference.

I am so full of rage. And not the least because we don't have any idea how thoroughly we've been violated. We may never know.

Kablooie

(19,107 posts)
20. Boy, they'd better work on disqualifying him from ever running for office again.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 01:22 AM
Aug 2022

That should be a priority even before sending him to prison.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
22. KnR
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 01:28 AM
Aug 2022

Have been trying to read the entire article at link, but it is infested with some truly grotesque “medical” ads. Which I guess is appropriate enough, considering how truly grotesque Trump & His Traitors are.

ShazzieB

(22,580 posts)
23. What. The. Actual. Fuck. 😖
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 01:28 AM
Aug 2022

It's just one bombshell after another after another. And each one seems to be worse than the last. I'm staring to feel downright shell shocked.

I have been patient all along, I haven't been one of those screaming "Lock him up now now NOW!!1!11!!" But this is becoming unbearable. What the hell is next?

Novara

(6,115 posts)
61. It just keeps getting worse!
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 04:38 PM
Aug 2022

THIS right here makes the insurrection pale in comparison. And that's not a sentence anyone should ever consider saying.

But as horrible as any of us think it could be, there is no fucking bottom.

DFW

(60,179 posts)
25. NO REASON? How's this for a (t)reason?
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 01:47 AM
Aug 2022

Everyone entering or leaving the White house is on film and identified. When Trump was away at conferences where Putin or high level Russians were also attending, when Trump was not on Air Force One, it would have been a lot easier for someone with high enough clearance to bring a “guest” aboard with Trump’s prior instructions. Civilian clothes or even maintenance garb, middle of the day when the media is all focused elsewhere, tapes and records that no one cares about anyway quietly scrubbed or altered. Hours of peaceful, undisturbed copying, while CNN carried the speeches. I didn’t even have to ask my brother or Valerie about that one!

EndlessWire

(8,103 posts)
29. Please tell me this isn't true.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 02:00 AM
Aug 2022

Who is "Grisham?"

Who believes that Trump "worked?"

Did all those guys who handled the boxes have clearances, or did he just wave his magic mushroom and give them clearances, like he did Kushner?

yorkster

(3,832 posts)
31. Maybe Stephanie Grisham?
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 02:31 AM
Aug 2022

I think she worked for Melania. Has been on CNN recently, has a book out.

BigmanPigman

(55,137 posts)
30. He sounds like an old fashioned traveling salesman
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 02:10 AM
Aug 2022

who has all of his "for sale" items in the pockets of an oversize overcoat or a large suitcase with lots of departments and sections. "Psssst..buddy...I've got a great Rolex for you to buy real cheap, if you don't like that I have this.......".

Laffy Kat

(16,951 posts)
32. If he isn't treasonous, he's bat shit nuts.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 02:42 AM
Aug 2022

I simply can't think of another reason for such bizarre behavior.

Maraya1969

(23,495 posts)
45. The other reason is he could sell US secrets. I'm positive that is what this is about now.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 05:27 AM
Aug 2022

Remember he is a sociopath and a grifter; always looking to make a deal.

He would thinking nothing of wounding our intelligence to make himself a buck.

Grammy23

(6,122 posts)
33. So as more details emerge, things are starting to make more sense.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 02:48 AM
Aug 2022

As far fetched as this tale is starting to sound, now we can figure out why tRump was so determined to stay in office. At all costs. He had a massive scheme/scam going and had ensnared who knows how many people into his web. He could not let the fact that he lost the election stand. He had to do anything and everything to keep his scheme alive and operating. Anything else was unthinkable. This is especially true if tRump answers to Putin.

So here we are months and months later with details dribbling out. The tsunami of truth is poised to be unleashed and we’ll get the gist of the story as well as the damage trump brought on this country.

I understand the DOJ wants to get this right but damn. Isn’t it time for tRump and dozens of other people due a visit by the feds to arrest them? Isn’t it past time to bring this to an end and start making the guilty pay for their crimes? For all we know, tRump is still selling us out.

This is not a drill. Better get moving or we are all screwed.

COL Mustard

(8,217 posts)
34. It was his Oprah moment
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 02:50 AM
Aug 2022

“You got a document! And YOU get a document! EVERYBODY gets a document!!!”

Prove me wrong.

 

RocRizzo55

(980 posts)
35. Of course they were being sold.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 02:52 AM
Aug 2022

He deserves similar punishment to what the Rosenbergs got. For crying out loud, arrest this traitor already.

mopinko

(73,723 posts)
49. just to work out the deets of his arrest.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 07:59 AM
Aug 2022

said in another thread they're trying to get a plea. but the least they are doing is trying to negotiate his surrender. they know what happens if they send a swat team and he does a perp walk on live teevee.

COL Mustard

(8,217 posts)
39. I wonder what it will take to convince MAGATs
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 03:17 AM
Aug 2022

That TFG actually IS the bad guy we’ve always thought he was. I wonder if this revelation will change any minds. I would hope so, but I also know that there are millions of true believers who are essentially lost causes.


Gawd I hate what he’s done to the country.

Rstrstx

(1,648 posts)
42. Obviously fake news
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 04:10 AM
Aug 2022

The dead giveaway is this excerpt:


There was no rhyme or reason — it was classified documents on top of newspapers on top of papers…they wanted him to read. The boxes were never organized,” Grisham said. “He’d want to get work done on long trips so he’d just rummage through the boxes. That was our filing system.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
47. Does seem like something a traveling salesman, with something to sell, would do.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 07:30 AM
Aug 2022

Seems like something traitortrump would do.

BumRushDaShow

(169,708 posts)
50. But wait, there''s more.... The NYT and Reuters also had buried ledes
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:14 AM
Aug 2022

I recall some remarks made by Bolton about this stuff and then found an Axios article that mentioned Bolton's comments to the NYT -

Bolton: Trump's defense of Mar-a-Lago materials "almost certainly a lie"

Shawna Chen


Former national security adviser John Bolton told the New York Times that former President Trump, whom he served under for over 17 months, is "almost certainly" lying about why he had classified material at his Mar-a-Lago estate.

Why it matters: After a search warrant unsealed Friday revealed FBI agents recovered classified documents from Mar-a-Lago, Trump and his team claimed he had a "standing order" dictating that documents taken from the Oval Office to his residence were "deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them."

What he's saying: Bolton told the Times he had never heard of any such standing order. It is "almost certainly a lie," he said.

  • "I was never briefed on any such order, procedure, policy when I came in," Bolton said. "If he were to say something like that, you would have to memorialize that, so that people would know it existed."
  • Trump's clubs in Florida and New Jersey had installed secure facilities for the purpose of viewing top secret documents, Bolton noted — Trump shouldn't have needed to declassify anything.
  • Moreover, declassified materials are subject to public record requests, Bolton pointed out.
  • "When somebody begins to concoct lies like this, it shows a real level of desperation."


  • The big picture: The unsealed warrant showed that the materials recovered from the estate were only meant to be kept in secure government facilities.

    (snip)

    https://www.axios.com/2022/08/15/donald-trump-john-bolton-maralago


    I.e., the bolded part - meaning stuff IS probably at Bedminister.

    The mention was as an aside, WAY WAY down near the bottom in the NYT article -

    Trump’s Shifting Explanations Follow a Familiar Playbook


    By Zolan Kanno-Youngs and Maggie Haberman
    Aug. 14, 2022

    (GIANT snip)

    Mr. Bolton, who served as Mr. Trump’s third national security adviser over 17 months, said he had never heard of the standing order that Mr. Trump’s office claimed to have in place. It is, he said, “almost certainly a lie.”

    “I was never briefed on any such order, procedure, policy when I came in,” Mr. Bolton said, adding that he had never been told of it while he was working there, and had never heard of such a thing after. “If he were to say something like that, you would have to memorialize that, so that people would know it existed,” he said.

    What’s more, he pointed out, secure facilities for viewing sensitive material were constructed at Mr. Trump’s clubs in Florida and New Jersey, where he often spent weekends as president, meaning that the documents wouldn’t need to be declassified. And if they were declassified, Mr. Bolton said, they would be considered subject to public record requests. He continued, “When somebody begins to concoct lies like this, it shows a real level of desperation.”

    The claim that the documents held in the Florida residence were declassified also undercut an assertion one of Mr. Trump’s lawyers made in June. In a written declaration, the lawyer’s team said all material marked as classified and stored at Mar-a-Lago had been returned to the government.

    (snip)

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/14/us/politics/trump-documents-explanations.html


    Then Axios referenced remarks Bolton made to Reuters a few days later, where Reuters had this -

    August 17, 20225:56 PM EDT
    Last Updated 10 days ago

    U.S. prosecutors should weigh releasing more Trump search details, Bolton says


    By Sarah N. Lynch

    (snip)

    Bolton said Trump had a knack for accumulating large amounts of paper, and he can remember seeing "piles and piles" of it inside the White House dining room. He served as Trump's national security adviser from 2018 to 2019.

    Trump also had several letters from North Korea's leader Kim Jong-un, one of which made its way into the White House without going through the proper screenings, said Bolton, who was later able to grab, screen and secure that letter, but not several others he received.

    "We weren't successful on the other letters, for reasons I'm not entirely clear about," Bolton recalled. "He kept them in a file in one of the secretary's offices...And I know he showed them to people."

    (snip)



    And I know a lot of focus has obviously been on MAL, and only recently, some mention of Bedminister in NJ., but am still waiting to hear "Sterling" (in VA, which is closest to the WH and where he would retreat to "play golf" ) and just plain old NYC where he was born and raised and lived until recently, and where he (and his children and in-laws) still have properties there.

    And for a special bonus -

    Trump owns more than $122 million in personal real estate — here's a look at his penthouse and beachfront mansions

    Hillary Hoffower and Shayanne Gal

    Updated
    Sep 28, 2020, 1:52 PM

    President Donald Trump's finances have come under renewed scrutiny after The New York Times published an investigation on Sunday. It found that the real-estate mogul has outstanding debt on many of his properties — $1.1 billion to be exact.

    Not only does his company own more than $2 billion in real estate across New York City, Washington, DC, Chicago, San Francisco, and other major US cities, he also has more than $122 million in personal real estate along the Atlantic, according to Forbes estimates.

    In June 2019, Trump sold his personal property out West, a 5,395-square-foot Tudor-style mansion in Beverly Hills, for $13.5 million, reported Jack Flemming for The Los Angeles Times. That leaves Trump's real-estate portfolio of eight properties now spanning three states and one Caribbean Island. And while impressive, it's just a fraction of his overall net worth — an estimated $2.1 billion.

    But he owes $100 million against Trump Tower, where he lived before moving into the White House, and has small loans against a couple of mansions, according to the investigation.



    (snip)

    https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-personal-real-estate-portfolio-new-york-palm-beach-st-martin

    BumRushDaShow

    (169,708 posts)
    53. You're welcome
    Sun Aug 28, 2022, 01:32 PM
    Aug 2022

    I had remembered some of the utterances from Bolton - some attributed to the book he has been apparently writing now for several years, but missed this thing about the supposed "construction" of secure areas at MAL and Bedminister. Who knows what that even means and whether (if true) they were ever used.

    crickets

    (26,168 posts)
    55. It's a good bet he's squirreled away some papers at Bedminster
    Sun Aug 28, 2022, 02:01 PM
    Aug 2022

    as well. I'm a little surprised that there have been no warrants for searching his other properties.

    BumRushDaShow

    (169,708 posts)
    58. I would not be surprised if that came
    Sun Aug 28, 2022, 04:26 PM
    Aug 2022

    if they go through their inventory of what might still be "missing" and then get some kind of informant to reveal anything is at the other properties, although sane criminals (and their conspiratorial lawyers) would have dug that stuff up and maybe removed it after what happened at MAL.

    crickets

    (26,168 posts)
    63. Yep. I know it's not nice to second quess after the fact, but...
    Sun Aug 28, 2022, 05:01 PM
    Aug 2022

    The FBI really should have gone into all of his properties at once. The nightmare scenario is that he's burned (flushed) or dumped the rest, either hiding them with co-conspirators or just selling them quickly.

    Doesn't he have properties overseas? Ugh... 🤦

    BumRushDaShow

    (169,708 posts)
    64. Well I expect since MAL was supposedly the "primary residence"
    Sun Aug 28, 2022, 05:19 PM
    Aug 2022

    and is where it was known that the moving vans loaded with boxes went, then that was the obvious first target for where to look for material that hadn't been returned. Anything beyond that would need to have quite a bit more investigative work done for it, which could take months or years.

    It's possible that whatever happens with the upcoming DNI Risk/Damage Assessment, they might find out if anything else associated with the documents already known about and returned, might have also been "checked out" but not yet recovered, as they would now know what subjects were being focused on, and can begin to connect the dots regarding the motivations behind what was taken, and then go from there.

    TigressDem

    (5,126 posts)
    51. Devil's advocate... He's still wrong, but...
    Sun Aug 28, 2022, 12:09 PM
    Aug 2022

    Were people trying to get him to pay attention to important events DURING his actual term of office?

    Or was he taking these things around AFTER he brought them to MarALago illegally?


    BumRushDaShow

    (169,708 posts)
    54. "Were people trying to get him to pay attention..."
    Sun Aug 28, 2022, 01:41 PM
    Aug 2022

    Not "Devil's Advocate" because from various reports where several of them had been quoted about how they tried to get him to read stuff that they had compiled. But remember he also had a revolving door of people so...

    gldstwmn

    (4,575 posts)
    56. He sold it all. Everything this country has done since WWII to protect itself
    Sun Aug 28, 2022, 03:48 PM
    Aug 2022

    has been sold to the highest bidder by this POS. We should start with that assumption and work backwards.

    YellerKitty

    (2 posts)
    65. Is there a link?
    Sun Aug 28, 2022, 07:44 PM
    Aug 2022

    Is there a link to the actual article. All I've seen is the link to "politicalflare.com" which also provides no link.

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