What if the "Big Lie" was the smokescreen to cover the document theft?

[LakeVermilion]

Consider this idea: Lots of people have their eyes on the capitol (Jan 6), and replacement electors, and state by state challenges, and sending money to challenge the election results.

But no one was watching the other hand: The real prize for Trump was the documents that would fetch more money than Trump had ever had in his lifetime.

Now that its been discovered, Trump falls back on his tried and true protector: the U.S. justice system. With the appointment of a special master, any process to indict Trump will slow down.

Trump is probably two steps ahead still. I can't imagine that he didn't have documents copied and stored elsewhere.

I'm guessing he will continue to walk free among us and never see jail in his lifetime.

[royable]

1. Couldn't he have been spiriting documents away from the White House during his entire 4 years?

Once he figured out how to do it and got enough people put into place to corrupt the system, he could have been doing it all along.

[gab13by13]

7. It's a fact that he violated

procedures, and the law, for 4 years in his handling of classified documents. They let him do it.

As I have stated a couple of times, they should hire a librarian to monitor classified documents for the federal government. When I take out a book my librarian knows what book I removed from the library. My librarian knows when I took the book and she know if I was late in bringing it back and she fines me. If I don't bring the book back she knows that also.

We need to hire my librarian at NARA.

[pfitz59]

19. There is a document monitoring system.

All documents are logged out and in. That's one way Archivists knew Trump was holding back.

[Scrivener7]

21. A year after he left office.

[SoCalDavidS]

2. Precisely

Every time some new crime comes out, I say the same thing. This too he will escape ANY accountability for. And the next one too. And also the one after that.

[Pas-de-Calais]

3. Well, thanks for getting me in a pissy mood today

[bamagal62]

9. This.

[NJCher]

12. Don't

pissy mood today

Don’t let him bother you or influence your outlook in any way. He is only right about one thing in this post and that is that he admits to saying the same thing about trump repeatedly.

Look, I don’t know why anyone would create their own negative hell like this, but this poster has and is ambitious enough in his negativity that he wants to create one for you, too.

Instead ask yourself what he has said that has granted him any special knowledge about the system to make such a judgment. I can answer that for you right now: not one thing.

Do you see any lawyers or former federal prosecutors saying this? No. In fact just the opposite. I’ll listen to someone who has some credentials before I listen to someone who has the need to reinforce his negative outlook on a message board. Let him create his own helplessness, but not yours.

Oh and speaking of helplessness, one of the best books out there is Learned Helplessness, by one of America’s most esteemed psychiatrists.

[dameatball]

17. And just like that. Reason returned and the sun came out again. We all do love to speculate. What

a supreme mishmash of possibilities to complicate, but yet we want the answers yesterday.

I do it too.

[duforsure]

4. I think all along he's been compromised by Putin, and forced to do a lot of things he wanted done,

And TFG is also in extreme financial situations , and in debt into the billions. That's why TFG when first in office went after the FBI, especially those involved with Russia. I think we're still at the tip of the iceberg. Putin installed TFG.

[SheltieLover]

5. Absolutely!

[Irish_Dem]

8. Started with Putin payback? Then Trump realized he had a gold mine and it was so easy.

So Trump quickly branched out.

Yes Trump was in a lot of debt, dreamed of being a real billionaire, and there is no way he could keep his hands off of so many valuable items.

[GoCubsGo]

13. Yup.

Not just state secrets, either. He sold access to the White House, too, no doubt.

[Irish_Dem]

16. Yes I agree. Anything he had access to. He stole art items when he was in overseas US embassies.

It is safe to assume he did the same thing in the WH.

Yes I think we can guess he sold access to the WH.

[GoCubsGo]

18. I wonder how much that treasonous fuck charged for an audience with himself.

Probably a sliding scale, depending on who and for how long?

[Irish_Dem]

23. The WH could have been MAL north, a parade of guests making transactional deals.

Trump could have wined and dined select guests.

Kushner would handle the pricing and money end of it.

Yes sliding scale in terms of cash because some guests would be offering something other than cash.
Some sort of favors or services.

[bamagal62]

11. I agree.

I told people this in 2016 and people thought I was crazy. I’ve just been waiting for the “I told you so!’. Those people that I spoke to back then, now acknowledge I was right.

[gab13by13]

6. The surveillance video of people

hauling the boxes of documents in and out of the storage area, why? A very plausible explanation is that they were making copies of the documents and then returning the originals.

It's pretty bad when Karl Rove, on Fox News, says that the FBI waited too long and we have people here arguing against that.

How long will Trump's judge delay everything with this Special Master nonsense? Oh yeah, the election is coming, time to go quiet, unless a Democrat is involved.

[NJCher]

10. I read where

The granting of the special master is to speed things up. If he weren’t granted it, he could appeal, thus slowing down the process even more.

The special master cannot change the documents: trump did what he did and no special master can change the classification of a document.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

14. The EVIL never triumph.

There comes a time eventually when the river will run dry. Either Karma or the Grim Reaper will be paying Donny Dipshit a visit and he will not like it much.

As for the writing of history of this pestilence, history WILL NOT be kind. It has not so far.

[Celerity]

24. Of course the evil triumph. All the time. Sometimes they are defeated and other times not.

Also, all empires end. It has been that way for the 7000 plus years of complexly organised human societies, and will continue to be the case.

[mopinko]

15. we wondered at the time about him putting a bunch of toadies at pentagon after nov.

and locking biden's team out. i think partly it was for the coup, but yeah, i'm sure they were looking for shit to take on their way out.

[Lonestarblue]

20. I don't think Trump or anyone in his orbit is smart enough to plan that.

I still think the ultimate goal was for Trump to stay in power, after which he would have four years to install lackeys in all key roles in the government and declare no more elections for president. He was delusional about his ability to succeed.

Plus, Trump had access to top secret documents all along and could have been regularly selling that intel. Trump and his cabal of crooked attorneys and advisers thought they had Congress tied up with the fake electors who would throw the election certification into chaos. Then Trump could use the flimsiest of reasons, such as civil unrest, to declare martial law or to request domestic military assistance.

“Martial law is the temporary substitution of military authority for civilian government in an emergency. In the United States, government officials have invoked martial law during war, labor disputes, natural disasters, and in times of civil unrest.
…
Civilian governments rarely invoke martial law. Since the United States was founded in 1776, government officials have declared martial law roughly 68 times. Federal and state authorities are much more likely to request "domestic military assistance," which is not the same as martial law. Domestic military assistance supports, rather than supplants, civilian government. For example, in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina in 2005, federal troops used military helicopters to conduct search and rescue missions that local governments were unable to do themselves. In 1992, President George H.W. Bush deployed the National Guard to help state and local law enforcement suppress riots in Los Angeles.“
https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/what-is-martial-law.html

The site has additional information about the use of the Insurrection Act, which was also mentioned as an option Trump might take. Trump had his flunkies in charge of the Pentagon, including Kash Patel. I believe the military would have balked at helping Trump stay in power, but there’s no doubt he wanted to create chaos. Thank God it didn’t work as planned.

[tanyev]

22. I think the Big Lie naturally flows out of his malignant narcissism.

Using classified documents for personal profit and extortion was merely an anticipated perk of becoming president. And it probably started on Day 1.

[Celerity]

25. No. nt