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Celerity

(43,327 posts)
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 11:23 AM Aug 2022

The Liberal Patriot: Bernie Sanders was (Mostly) Right



2-4 years of post-secondary technical training, apprenticeships, and traditional college should be a public good available to all who are interested and qualify—funded by state and federal taxes.

https://theliberalpatriot.substack.com/p/bernie-sanders-was-mostly-right


University of California, Riverside is the top ranked university in the country for social mobility. A true public good.

By John Halpin, The Center for American Progress - Senior Fellow; Co-Director, Politics and Elections

President Biden’s decision to forgive up to $20,000 in federal student loans has produced cries of joy and support in many quarters and frustration and anger in others. Setting aside the expected partisan positions on the issue, is the plan a good idea on balance? Yes. No. Maybe. Too early to tell. Who knows? It’s hard to evaluate at this point separate from personal or political reactions.

If implemented, Biden’s debt forgiveness plan will undoubtedly be a huge relief to millions of people. At the same time, as numerous critics have stated, the plan seems a bit half-baked and prone to all sorts of unintended economic consequences, legal challenges, and perceptions of the government favoring the privileged. President Biden himself shared many of these concerns before shifting his position.

Two specific criticisms of the plan are worth taking seriously: (1) Debt forgiveness does little to nothing for most current and all future students in terms of addressing the absurd costs of college; and (2) It’s manifestly unfair for the federal government to dedicate substantial public resources to reduce debts for one class of Americans but not another based solely on their education choices.

A suitable response to these shortcomings will not be found in either doing nothing about the matter or in creating a new status quo of debt forgiveness, more indebtedness, and more debt forgiveness—the expressed or implicit positions of the two major parties. Instead, perhaps the best solution to the higher education affordability crisis lies in the most social democratic approach on offer: America should treat post-secondary education—including both traditional 4-year college and other technical and apprenticeship programs—as a public good that is open to everyone but not required and paid for by all Americans through taxes.

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The Liberal Patriot: Bernie Sanders was (Mostly) Right (Original Post) Celerity Aug 2022 OP
Hillary was always right. W_HAMILTON Aug 2022 #1
What a shame that HRC was sabotaged in 2016. Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #2
I'd like to edit the previous quote with the following. area51 Aug 2022 #3
+1 appalachiablue Aug 2022 #5
These were accepted liberal ideas when Sanders and then Hillary were kids. Hortensis Aug 2022 #4

W_HAMILTON

(7,862 posts)
1. Hillary was always right.
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 11:30 AM
Aug 2022
Every student should have the option to graduate from a public college or university in their state without taking on any student debt. By 2021, families with income up to $125,000 will pay no tuition at in-state four-year public colleges and universities. And from the beginning, every student from a family making $85,000 a year or less will be able to go to an in-state four-year public college or university without paying tuition.

All community colleges will offer free tuition.


Taken from: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/college/

And she was actually in a position where she could have enacted this sort of transformational change rather than just tweet about it. Too bad just enough kneecapped her to keep out of office...

area51

(11,906 posts)
3. I'd like to edit the previous quote with the following.
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 12:28 PM
Aug 2022
"America should treat healthcare — as a public good ...."

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
4. These were accepted liberal ideas when Sanders and then Hillary were kids.
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 01:05 PM
Aug 2022

Over their lives not only did many millions of people come to believe in them, but they formed policy in many states that subsidized education, as well as federal education assistance, seeing it as investment in both "the people" and society. (Then in the late 1970s began the national shift toward a more conservative anti-government, anti-tax, anti-education mood,...)

In any case, surely what's most meaningful isn't that he is vocally on board with our educational ideals, but WHAT LEGISLATION HE ACCOMPLISHES WITH THE POWER THE ELECTORATE GAVE HIM?

Voters send people to government TO TURN THEIR TALK INTO ACTION. We adore successful LEGISLATIVE actions that change lives for the better.

So let's mention something Sanders has ACCOMPLISHED: He just cast one of 50 senate votes that got the Democrats' "Inflation Reduction Act passed. That is the most significant climate bill ever created and a really BFD! And Sanders voted for it! It couldn't have happened without that vote for.



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