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Mr. Sparkle

(3,710 posts)
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 11:24 AM Aug 2022

Hillary's emails are back in the news again ... but there's a problem

Thanks to a great call into the Stephanie miller show today, here's a refresher course of what happened

At today’s Oversight Committee hearing, Director Comey provided significant new information about these emails that debunked this Republican conspiracy theory. First, Director Comey explained that he was talking about only three emails out of the 30,000 his office reviewed, or 1/100 of 1% of the emails. Second, Director Comey explained that these three specific emails were not properly marked as classified pursuant to federal guidelines and manuals. They did not have a classification header, and they did not list the original classifier, the agency and office of origin, the reason for classification, or the date for declassification. Instead they included only a single “(c)” for “confidential” on one paragraph lower down in the text. Finally, Director Comey explained that it would have been a “reasonable inference” for Secretary Clinton to “immediately” conclude that these emails were not in fact classified. Here is the exchange between Director Comey and Rep. Matthew Cartwright:

Rep. Cartwright: Those three documents with the little “c”s on them, were they properly documented? Were they properly marked according to the manual?

Director Comey: No.

Rep. Cartwright: According to the manual, and I ask unanimous consent to enter this into the record, Mr. Chairman. According to the manual, if you’re going to classify something, there has to be a header on the document, right?

Director Comey: Correct.

Rep. Cartwright: Was there a header on the three documents that we’ve discussed today that had the little “c” in the text someplace?

Director Comey: No, there were three e-mails. The “c” was in the body in the text, but there was no header on the email or in the text.

Rep. Cartwright: So if Secretary Clinton really were an expert at what's classified and what’s not classified and we're following the manual, the absence of a header would tell her immediately that those three documents were not classified. Am I correct in that?

Director Comey: That would be a reasonable inference.

In addition, the State Department spokesperson made clear yesterday that these emails, which discussed call information for the Secretary, included these “c”s by mistake, and the information was not in fact classified


https://oversight.house.gov/news/press-releases/fbi-director-comey-emails-were-not-properly-marked-as-classified


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Hillary's emails are back in the news again ... but there's a problem (Original Post) Mr. Sparkle Aug 2022 OP
Yeah the problem is Hillary is irrelevant? Brainfodder Aug 2022 #1
Yeah the problem is Hillary is irrelevant? Brainfodder Aug 2022 #2
"Lock her up." Chainfire Aug 2022 #3
Trump said "if I'm pres. you'll be in jail". Yet 4 yrs later...nothing. oldsoftie Aug 2022 #21
Not only that.... SergeStorms Aug 2022 #25
Nope. Probably went straight into his pocket calimary Aug 2022 #34
So long ago I'd forgotten about THAT whopper. nt oldsoftie Aug 2022 #37
Not having to follow rules and laws that bind others is a sign of power in their world. NullTuples Aug 2022 #26
Good thing DENVERPOPS Aug 2022 #31
It's important to keep putting this out there Johnny2X2X Aug 2022 #4
All part of BS mountain... Moostache Aug 2022 #5
and benghazi too. AllaN01Bear Aug 2022 #6
Hell, take it back to "Travelgate", "Haircutgate", Mena airfield, Vince Foster, etc. JHB Aug 2022 #18
Yep. Snackshack Aug 2022 #16
That should put to bed any comparison with TFG stolen docs. wiggs Aug 2022 #7
you know that will never happen. maxsolomon Aug 2022 #8
It's not just the GQP maxrandb Aug 2022 #20
So it's good that WE have the actual details at the ready calimary Aug 2022 #35
No it won't. progressoid Aug 2022 #9
I loved this caller Traildogbob Aug 2022 #10
Thank for posting this happy feet Aug 2022 #11
I remembered a small number but I thought it was 4 DLCWIdem Aug 2022 #14
I remembered it exactly Bluesaph Aug 2022 #22
They're exceptionally lazy happy feet Aug 2022 #40
I agree we should push back DLCWIdem Aug 2022 #12
Yes. Delphinus Aug 2022 #13
Just another case Snackshack Aug 2022 #15
I don't see how emails are the same thing as physical odocuments DeeDeeNY Aug 2022 #17
And for THAT, the orange anus leads chants of Lock her up, Lock her up!!! Martin Eden Aug 2022 #19
Excellent refresher! I didn't remember all the specifics. Thank you. liberalla Aug 2022 #23
Thanks for this. I may have heard this before, but it is a great clarification regrading Martin68 Aug 2022 #24
And we're using a new cover sheet for TPS reports ThoughtCriminal Aug 2022 #27
winning reply! nt wiggs Aug 2022 #30
GOP making a mountain out of a mole hill vlyons Aug 2022 #28
Another idea they are floating out there DLCWIdem Aug 2022 #29
This is a false question from the media. onecaliberal Aug 2022 #33
Agreed DLCWIdem Aug 2022 #38
Of course. The idiots who give the tick l their money are too stupid to see through it. onecaliberal Aug 2022 #39
Secretary Clinton did not remove america's top secrets from the White house. onecaliberal Aug 2022 #32
Funny thing is no one else in the media mentions this. triron Aug 2022 #36
 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
3. "Lock her up."
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 11:31 AM
Aug 2022

According to the rightwing logic over the emails, Trump should be doing 50 life sentences. But, of course, it is "alternative laws" that the Republicans live under.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
21. Trump said "if I'm pres. you'll be in jail". Yet 4 yrs later...nothing.
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 01:26 PM
Aug 2022

Why don't his minions scream for HIS head over that?

SergeStorms

(20,591 posts)
25. Not only that....
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 01:45 PM
Aug 2022

but where the hell is the check from Mexico to pay for what little wall Trump actually had constructed?

It's probably "in the mail", according to Trump.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
26. Not having to follow rules and laws that bind others is a sign of power in their world.
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 01:57 PM
Aug 2022

Never mind that many of us voluntarily bind ourselves with them in order to maintain a stable society rather than always have to compete for power.

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
31. Good thing
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 02:24 PM
Aug 2022

that Trump never bought an NFL team, otherwise he would have snuck into the contract a clause that his team could never be called for ANY penalty, and his kicker(s) were given an automatic 30 yd handicap on all kicks........

Johnny2X2X

(24,207 posts)
4. It's important to keep putting this out there
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 11:32 AM
Aug 2022

This is nothing like what Trump is accused of. First and foremost because Hillary was then the SoS and had security clearance.

Moostache

(11,178 posts)
5. All part of BS mountain...
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 11:41 AM
Aug 2022

Hillary's e-mails?
REALLY?

Hunter's lap-top?
REALLY?

Obama's birth certificate?
REALLY?

Oh, the LONG form one?
REALLY?

All of these things bear one thing in common - they are TOTALLY irrelevant to the question of why was Donald Trump in possession of government documents in violation of the law. The why or who else's or 'whataboutisms' are totally irrelevant (as usual).

So tired of seeing this exact same playbook trotted out time and time and time again. Leaves me feeling like Bill Murray in "Groundhog Day"...anyone got a toaster I can drop in my bath?

JHB

(38,213 posts)
18. Hell, take it back to "Travelgate", "Haircutgate", Mena airfield, Vince Foster, etc.
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 01:16 PM
Aug 2022

If you listed out all the vaunted "Clinton scandals" on a single piece of paper and then lined out in red all the ones that were either baseless or puffed-up horseshit, you'd wind up with something that looks like a prop in a slasher/splatter horror movie.

Snackshack

(2,587 posts)
16. Yep.
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 01:14 PM
Aug 2022

The media is and has always been a department of the GOP.

The so called “news” is expected to make a profit. We see time and again just how bad our for profit healthcare is… for profit news is 10x worse.

maxrandb

(17,425 posts)
20. It's not just the GQP
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 01:26 PM
Aug 2022

If Democrats submit a legislative proposal that is professionally researched, footnoted, peer reviewed by "experts" and detailed, and Retrumplicans submit a single page proposal in crayon, wrapped in a Donnie Dipshit Depends and served in a dirty ashtray, the media will treat both proposals as if they are rational serious proposals.

If Secretary Clinton had taken just one sheet of TS/SCI material home with her, the media would demand she be hung for treason. If it's a Retrumplican with cases upon cases of TS/SCI material, the story shifts to coverage of how he can get away with it.

calimary

(90,017 posts)
35. So it's good that WE have the actual details at the ready
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 03:52 PM
Aug 2022

so we can shut up any lie-steeped Republican who tries to add this to the conversation.

“Good grief, you’re STILL trying to beat up on Hillary? THAT’S all you got? HOW PATHETIC is that? And you know damn well there’s NO ‘there’ there! It’s been proven false a long time ago, and over and over again. Where’ve you been all this time? What’d you do? Crawl up inside trump’s butt years ago and go to sleep?”

progressoid

(53,179 posts)
9. No it won't.
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 12:41 PM
Aug 2022

I guarantee that Hannity and his merry band on Fox and AM radio will still be talking about Hillary and deflecting as much as possible from TFG.

Traildogbob

(13,018 posts)
10. I loved this caller
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 12:52 PM
Aug 2022

And the heads up. Graham and Fox need to be force fed this information and have to listen to every word.

happy feet

(1,278 posts)
11. Thank for posting this
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 12:52 PM
Aug 2022

You'd think the so called liberal media would counter with the facts above when the right makes these false equivalencies. I remembered exactly those numbers as the outcome, yet I've heard so called liberal reporters saying "...unlike Hilary which had a 100 out of 100,000 emails classified" as the reason Trump's offense was worse. Too lazy to look up actual facts so at least I know I wasn't crazy in remembering the 3 improperly marked classified.

DLCWIdem

(1,580 posts)
14. I remembered a small number but I thought it was 4
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 01:02 PM
Aug 2022

4 documents with 2 being retroactively classified

Bluesaph

(1,026 posts)
22. I remembered it exactly
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 01:26 PM
Aug 2022

And my head blows up every time I hear about the hundreds of classified emails Hillary had.

Lazy reporters are contributing to the dumbing down of our country!

happy feet

(1,278 posts)
40. They're exceptionally lazy
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 02:28 PM
Aug 2022

because they understand their job to be stenographer of what "each" side says rather than "going outside and if it's raining - state that the person who said it's raining is telling the truth, the person who said it's sunny is lying".

DLCWIdem

(1,580 posts)
12. I agree we should push back
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 01:00 PM
Aug 2022

Just by saying 3 non classified vs 200 classified top secret compartmentalized.

Snackshack

(2,587 posts)
15. Just another case
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 01:10 PM
Aug 2022

Of the news not doing their job. They wanted DT as much as anyone else, they still want him or they would have buried him by now in this document fubar like they did to HRC.

DeeDeeNY

(3,953 posts)
17. I don't see how emails are the same thing as physical odocuments
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 01:15 PM
Aug 2022

TFG stole physical documents belonging to the government and stored them at MAL, where thousands of people pass through. As bad as it is that so many of them were marked as classified, it wouldn’t matter if none of them were.

Martin Eden

(15,625 posts)
19. And for THAT, the orange anus leads chants of Lock her up, Lock her up!!!
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 01:16 PM
Aug 2022

Comparatively, HIS willful and illegal taking of highly classified documents should elicit chants for Immediate Execution!!!

Martin68

(27,741 posts)
24. Thanks for this. I may have heard this before, but it is a great clarification regrading
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 01:39 PM
Aug 2022

the legal difference between the emails and Trump's boxes. There is also the fact that Clinton totally cooperated with the investigation and Trump lied, stone-walled and delayed for 6 months.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,721 posts)
27. And we're using a new cover sheet for TPS reports
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 02:00 PM
Aug 2022

Did you get the memo?

Yes, but it turns out these were not TPS reports.

I'm just going to go ahead and send you another copy of the memo.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
28. GOP making a mountain out of a mole hill
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 02:08 PM
Aug 2022

and for how many years now? Of course, Comey could have said all that way back when --

DLCWIdem

(1,580 posts)
29. Another idea they are floating out there
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 02:17 PM
Aug 2022

Is why now this close to the midterms. Well that brings up an excellent comparison between the two situations. The FBI didn't broadcast that they had a search warrant. They went into Maralogo in plain clothes and searched. It was Trump himself who broadcasted it. In contrast, it was Comey who disregarded a FBI established policy and announced the investigation then re-announced the reopening of the investigation just 10 days before the election and interfering and handed Trump the election. She cooperated and complied with her search warrant and handed over all relevant materials while Trump stalled for a year.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
33. This is a false question from the media.
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 02:28 PM
Aug 2022

Trump should have returned everything when he said he did, and not LIE about it.

DLCWIdem

(1,580 posts)
38. Agreed
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 04:31 PM
Aug 2022

But the FBI is not making an investigation to smear Trump right before the midterms. For one thing he isn't running for office and as I previously stated. The FBI didn't publicize this; Trump did in order to fundraise on it.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
39. Of course. The idiots who give the tick l their money are too stupid to see through it.
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 05:49 PM
Aug 2022
 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
32. Secretary Clinton did not remove america's top secrets from the White house.
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 02:27 PM
Aug 2022

Further, she didn't LIE, or INCITE A HEAVILY ARMED VIOLENT MOB to kill the Vice President and Speaker.

 

triron

(22,240 posts)
36. Funny thing is no one else in the media mentions this.
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 04:03 PM
Aug 2022

Not even Rachel? I don't get it.

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