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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis is a LOT bigger than [Redacted].
What we are seeing is a form of warfare ordinary citizens rarely see.
This is the unraveling and exposure of a long-term offensive by a hostile power with multiple operational goals:
* Infiltrate, subvert, and degrade the operational capacity of the government of the United States.
* Destroy the capacity of America's intelligence community to effectively gather useful intelligence and carry out counterespionage operations.
* Provoke civil unrest, division, and disunion by the use of propaganda operations that also support the other goals of the offensive.
* Infiltrate, subvert, and degrade the mission orientation and action capability of institutions charged with armed security and safety of America, both military and civilian organizations.
* Create a substantial and heavily-armed cadre of American citizens prepared to engage in civil violence and attacks on the U.S. government.
At this point, it seems reasonable that anyone who claims otherwise should be investigated for active conspiracy in the offensive and/or unwitting action as a covert (unknowing) asset.
Most likely many of those claiming otherwise are merely dupes and ignorami. But the higher in the government they are, the more access they have to power and influence, the more likely it seems they are assets or conspirators.
DoJ and all of the government organizations involved in dealing with this offensive and mounting an effective counter-offensive are being exceptionally careful and deliberate for some very good reasons, including an awareness that their own organizations are already riddled with assets and agents who will be diligently attempting to subvert their efforts by "poisoning the tree", spreading disinformation and distraction, etc.
This has been a very long game indeed, and the turnaround, to be effective, will not be fast. There may be some swift actions here and there, but for the most part, it will take place very quietly, on a need to know basis in many decentralized but coordinated action groups, and we won't hear much about it.
In the long run, whether [Redacted] ends up in a Supermax or not is possibly one of the less consequential results of the counter-offensive. It may happen, or not. You can bet the calculations are being run very carefully with great attention to factors that most of us will never know. If "highly public accountability" becomes a very important thing, we may see a perp-walk. If that is subsumed in more concrete operational goals that would yield key gains overall, you can be they'll still find ways to make the remainder of [Redacted]'s life extremely unhappy.
He is ***ked either way.
It's enough for me-- IF we ultimately win this quiet, covert war. Thoroughly. Completely. And with lasting effect.
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kentuck
(111,110 posts)For sure.
bluestarone
(17,030 posts)I really 100% agree with your last sentence!! "t's enough for me-- IF we ultimately win this quiet, covert war. Thoroughly. Completely. And with lasting effect". THIS would be 100% ok with me!
cilla4progress
(24,763 posts)Are you attributing it to Putin and KGB?
TygrBright
(20,763 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,374 posts)Trump/GOP/Putin are at war with the US.
LaMouffette
(2,039 posts)"I'd rather be Russian than Democrat!"
Irish_Dem
(47,374 posts)All the time and money had paid off, more than in his wildest dreams.
erronis
(15,328 posts)People talk about trump not being able to be charged as a "traitor" because the US is not actively "at war" with some adversary.
Maybe this made sense when wars were engaged with wooden ships sailing for months across oceans to try to subvert a colony or a native land.
Wars are now run by tin-pots in NORK, China, rUSSRia, and even from the homeland via the repuglicon party and capitalists/libertarians.
We are at war. We damn well better win.
And we can't win if we can't use the legal means to engage and punish our enemies.
The Federalist Society and RW/pseudo-xians are friends of our enemies.
Democracy survives with openness and fair application of laws. Not with letting traitors get away with murder.
TygrBright
(20,763 posts)Sky Jewels
(7,137 posts)as well as take more state governorships and legislatures. A long game is needed, like the GOP has had since the post-Watergate days. They must not be allowed to succeed. I think with their fascist/Taliban agenda being exposed more and more, they're in for an uphill climb (Dobbs alone is a game-changer and probably a generational political marker). I believe we can figure out how to mobilize Millennials and Gen Z to seize power from older far-right authoritarian sympathizers.