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Raven

(13,889 posts)
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 12:01 PM Sep 2022

The man is crazy. Sane people just don't

walk away from the White House with 300+ highly classified documents dealing with the national defense unless they have lost their minds. They just don't. Even by Trumpist standards, they don't. Forget whether it's wrong, immoral, criminal, treasonous, it's just nuts. In his shattered mind, what's left of it, he may have stolen the documents because he believed he was President in Exile and wanted to establish a White House in Exile in MAL. There is no way to know what he is thinking because he doesn't know. He is a feral creature now and a dangerous one. Think rabid...the DOJ is.

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The man is crazy. Sane people just don't (Original Post) Raven Sep 2022 OP
That's what I have been saying. fightforfreedom Sep 2022 #1
To be mentally I'll he would not know what he did was wrong. Dustlawyer Sep 2022 #20
Melania and the spawn homegirl Sep 2022 #41
He's not crazy. He's a terrible person who doesn't care. Maru Kitteh Sep 2022 #2
There are terrible people who are sane. He is not. He may have been sane at one time in Raven Sep 2022 #3
I don't buy any insanity claims. wnylib Sep 2022 #34
Absolutely agree. BarbD Sep 2022 #35
Sociopaths are not amenable to therapy. Eyeball_Kid Sep 2022 #36
Yes, a terrible person who has gotten away with it all his life. GoCubsGo Sep 2022 #6
Sane people don't do this stuff. Cracklin Charlie Sep 2022 #7
A true narcissist can be sane, and quite evil. Trump is a true narcissist. NullTuples Sep 2022 #28
I agree. Progressive dog Sep 2022 #9
Both HighFired49 Sep 2022 #15
He has the emotional development of a three year old. Ray Bruns Sep 2022 #17
He's never had a consequence in his life budkin Sep 2022 #4
He is a ruthless sociopath and narcissist. Irish_Dem Sep 2022 #5
THIS! happy feet Sep 2022 #32
Evil is the term I would use to describe it liberal N proud Sep 2022 #8
THIS ALL DAY LONG onecaliberal Sep 2022 #23
louder for the people in the back. mopinko Sep 2022 #10
He is not crazy. SamKnause Sep 2022 #11
He can be all the things you've listed and still be crazy. n/t Raven Sep 2022 #12
A "feral creature"... kentuck Sep 2022 #13
"Crazy" just isn't accurate. maxsolomon Sep 2022 #14
+1 iemanja Sep 2022 #22
✔️ Calculating is what he is .... literally all about $$$ live love laugh Sep 2022 #38
I actually don't think that. maxsolomon Sep 2022 #43
Recommended. H2O Man Sep 2022 #16
No sense of duty, except to himself. I post the link to a fascinating and chilling interview wiggs Sep 2022 #18
Criminal does not mean mentally ill, and conflating the two is dangerous. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #19
Malignant narcissist. His niece Mary nailed it. mn9driver Sep 2022 #21
I don't know if he's crazy... jcgoldie Sep 2022 #24
They were just things he could use RexLipton Sep 2022 #25
He's gotten away with massive crimes for literally decades, so to him Sky Jewels Sep 2022 #26
He's a malignant narcissist Warpy Sep 2022 #27
NARA didn't ask for help until this year, maxsolomon Sep 2022 #29
They really needed to consider who and what they were dealing with Warpy Sep 2022 #37
Boy. The feral creature is spot on. Joinfortmill Sep 2022 #30
In any other country in this world, no one would have known what he had done. He would have been LiberalArkie Sep 2022 #31
In some countries, that would have happened. ShazzieB Sep 2022 #42
I HOPE the DOJ is. calimary Sep 2022 #33
Tfg YavapaiBlue Sep 2022 #39
It's called entitlement. Ferrets are Cool Sep 2022 #40

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
20. To be mentally I'll he would not know what he did was wrong.
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 01:54 PM
Sep 2022

He knows! He needs to be imprisoned for life!

homegirl

(1,428 posts)
41. Melania and the spawn
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 03:02 PM
Sep 2022

should have him declared mentally incompetent. Place him in a luxury "rest home" away from the relentless law enforcement agencies that are ready to prosecute Donald.

They would accomplish several things.
1. Mentally incompetent-he cannot testify
2. They cannot testify against him
3. They gain control of the remnants of the Trump Empire.

Being deprived of his adoring cultists and constant media attention would drive Donny to a rubber jacket in a rubber room in less than a year.



Raven

(13,889 posts)
3. There are terrible people who are sane. He is not. He may have been sane at one time in
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 12:07 PM
Sep 2022

his terrible life, but he's not anymore.

wnylib

(21,432 posts)
34. I don't buy any insanity claims.
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 02:44 PM
Sep 2022

What Trump is doing now is nothing new or different for him. He takes bold, defiant stands when he is caught. He spins truth and fact or totally makes things up.

That's what he is doing now. Trump does not believe that there is good or bad, right or wrong. In his mind, there are only powerful and powerless, wealth and poverty, winners and losers. What you do and how you do it to be powerful, wealthy, and a winner doesn't matter. The only thing that matters to him is that you always win.

Trump knows no bounds and no limits. Nothing new here. Not insanity. Just Trump being Trump.

BarbD

(1,192 posts)
35. Absolutely agree.
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 02:49 PM
Sep 2022

He has never had any respect whatsoever for the principles of government much less common decency. He runs his life like a mob boss and he always gets away with it.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,430 posts)
36. Sociopaths are not amenable to therapy.
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 02:51 PM
Sep 2022

There is no “cure” for sociopathy or psychopathy. Trump cannot be viewed as mentally ill because there is no rehabilitation for him if he is declared incompetent and goes to “treatment”. He’ll just become a more illusive sociopath. Trump is a career criminal only amenable to social isolation to protect others from him.

GoCubsGo

(32,080 posts)
6. Yes, a terrible person who has gotten away with it all his life.
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 12:13 PM
Sep 2022

And, who thought he was going to get away with it again. That's not "crazy." It's arrogance and stupidity.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
7. Sane people don't do this stuff.
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 12:14 PM
Sep 2022

How many people do you know that act like he acts? How many former presidents behave like this?

He’s off his rocker. And, a danger to this planet.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
28. A true narcissist can be sane, and quite evil. Trump is a true narcissist.
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 02:27 PM
Sep 2022

A narcissist is always going to harm people. They are fully aware of what they're doing, they simply are convinced that it's okay because they deserve it. It's like selfishness that has no internal restrictions, at all. The Republican Party at this point is soaking in it.

With Trump we had a narcissist with nearly unlimited privilege. It's is sorta like that saying about "absolute power corrupts absolutely".

mopinko

(70,085 posts)
10. louder for the people in the back.
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 12:27 PM
Sep 2022

i've had several threads about this, and it disturbs me that so few, even here, see the value of putting this front and center.
he is a sadly typical mad man, and should be firmly placed among their ranks.
may he be such a shining example of insanity that such a man never rises to power again.

put his brain images, and the real results of that dementia screen on my teevee, and i will feel like justice has been served.

SamKnause

(13,091 posts)
11. He is not crazy.
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 01:13 PM
Sep 2022

He is EVIL.

He knows exactly what he is doing.

He is hungry for power.

He is my enemy.

He is the enemy of this country.

He, his cult, and the republican party are the greatest threat this country has ever faced.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
13. A "feral creature"...
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 01:32 PM
Sep 2022

He was not going to leave the White House empty handed. He would take all the secrets with him. He has been a scourge on this country.

maxsolomon

(33,310 posts)
14. "Crazy" just isn't accurate.
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 01:38 PM
Sep 2022

He has a Personality Disorder, yes, but that's not an excuse. He's still the biggest asshole in American History.

Sociopathic, solipsistic, Malignant Narcissist. He cares about nothing but himself. He lies without conscience and he always has.

But he's not crazy. He is rational. It's all in service of himself. He will do anything to preserve his ego.

wiggs

(7,812 posts)
18. No sense of duty, except to himself. I post the link to a fascinating and chilling interview
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 01:50 PM
Sep 2022

with an IC expert. It is not clear that TFG has felt a responsibility to the nation, while being granted access to information critical to security of the nation.

Thanks to gab13by13 for finding it and posting on DU. should be posted in every post about stolen docs and should be shown every night on news/political shows. Very clarifying regarding the seriousness of the offense.

mn9driver

(4,424 posts)
21. Malignant narcissist. His niece Mary nailed it.
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 02:01 PM
Sep 2022

No one has ever been able to say no to him and make it stick. His two senate acquittals and the Mueller report fiasco just reinforced to him that he could do anything he wanted.

He wanted them. So he took them. Up until a few days ago that was working just fine for him. Right now he is having a meltdown, but on some deeper level he fully expects his tantrum to get him what he wants.

He expects the tactics that have always worked for him to work in this case as well. When it finally sinks in that he isn’t going to get away with it this time, his behavior will be interesting to observe.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
24. I don't know if he's crazy...
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 02:03 PM
Sep 2022

...I think the bigger issue is that he has never in his life had to deal with consequences of his actions no matter how criminal.

RexLipton

(69 posts)
25. They were just things he could use
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 02:06 PM
Sep 2022

to enrich himself by selling or to use as Kompromat against the U.S. and others.

I'm sure he would have stolen the silverware if he thought could get away with it.

I just wonder if this is only the tip of the iceberg. Could there be thousands more pages or copies hidden elsewhere?

Whatever the truth is, he likely had help.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
27. He's a malignant narcissist
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 02:15 PM
Sep 2022

and walking away with that stuff was hitting back at a "deep state" that had thrown him out of office and because nothing can ever be his fault and everybody has to love him, the election must have been rigged. The deep state must be PUNISHED.

This is how they think. This is what makes them dangerous, usually to everybody around them. This time it's dangerous to the country as a whole.

The best (and only, really) idea if you ever meet one in real life is to RUN AWAY. We can't run away from this sack of shit. We can only take harmful things away from him and try to isolate him as much as possible. He should not get those passports back any time soon, let the FBI and DOJ return them in as timely a manner as he returned those stolen documents.

These people aren't crazy. However, he's getting there. A little more legal trouble will do it.

My only complaint with the FBI is that they should have done this a year ago. Letting this clown dick around with dynamite for 18 months is simply unacceptable.

maxsolomon

(33,310 posts)
29. NARA didn't ask for help until this year,
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 02:27 PM
Sep 2022

until they were convinced they were being Gaslit. As usual, the Federal bureaucracy is trying to operate according to the established rules and norms.

It's sad and a bit quaint, because * threw the established rules and norms in the trash, and they should know that.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
37. They really needed to consider who and what they were dealing with
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 02:54 PM
Sep 2022

They knew daned full well what he'd stolen because they didn't have it any more.

LiberalArkie

(15,713 posts)
31. In any other country in this world, no one would have known what he had done. He would have been
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 02:35 PM
Sep 2022

disappeared, along with his family and his friends and their families. The general public would have never known anything about it.

ShazzieB

(16,370 posts)
42. In some countries, that would have happened.
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 03:41 PM
Sep 2022

Some, not "any other country in the world."

I think it's highly inaccurate, not to mention unfair, to lump all the rest of the world outside the U.S. together and say they would all have done exactly as you described.

Are there countries where that sort of thing happens? Yes. Absolutely every single country other than the U.S.? NO. That is a ridiculously broad generalization.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
33. I HOPE the DOJ is.
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 02:43 PM
Sep 2022

We've BEEN nice.

We've BEEN patient.

We've GIVEN him the benefit of the doubt. Over and over and over and over and over and over and ...

And all he does is take advantage, and then MORE advantage.

THIS MUST STOP - NOW!!!

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