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Jersey Devil

(10,856 posts)
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 12:45 PM Sep 2022

Just what if the missing secret documents were about 1/6

It sure would answer all the questions about WHY Trump took them to MAL in the first place, to destroy them so there could be no evidence that he conspired to conduct a coup on 1/6.

OK, so the folders are empty and we will never know what was in them some will argue. But these secret documents are all inventoried when they are created along with their subject matter and a chain of custody is kept with respect to each document. The National Archives (and the FBI and DOJ) knows exactly what docs are missing and their subject matter. If they were about 1/6, then couple that with all the missing text messages from DOD and the Secret Service from 1/6 and it doesn't take much to reach the conclusion that there was a massive obstruction of justice.

How much fun would the 1/6 committee have with that scenario?

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Just what if the missing secret documents were about 1/6 (Original Post) Jersey Devil Sep 2022 OP
And what if some were about the Mueller investigation as well? emulatorloo Sep 2022 #1
I Bet 90% of them were about the Mueller Investigation. WarGamer Sep 2022 #22
I'm inclined to believe the orange anus would destroy 1/6 documents on sight. Brother Buzz Sep 2022 #2
Agree, but would he be stupid enough Jersey Devil Sep 2022 #3
The folders were essentially cover sheets - Brother Buzz Sep 2022 #7
Yes, if course, but I bet they are numbered Jersey Devil Sep 2022 #11
Methinks the folders were informally put together by staff in the White House... Brother Buzz Sep 2022 #21
yep anything makes him look bad was long destroyed d_r Sep 2022 #16
Just speculation at this point Ferryboat Sep 2022 #4
If the docs were about 1/6 then there is no national security risk Jersey Devil Sep 2022 #5
If they were about people the FBI used to Mr.Bill Sep 2022 #6
If? Ferryboat Sep 2022 #10
Speculation for us, sure, but not for the DOJ and FBI Jersey Devil Sep 2022 #13
Speculation includes a wide range of possibilities. This skip fox Sep 2022 #9
Bingo! (nt) Jersey Devil Sep 2022 #14
We are in the digital age, after all! fierywoman Sep 2022 #20
If TFG ever did something right, it's his grifting and committing crimes. Claustrum Sep 2022 #8
Wait. They were never ORIGINALS. vanlassie Sep 2022 #12
Right! skip fox Sep 2022 #17
Recommended. H2O Man Sep 2022 #15
Makes a great deal of sense Jersey Devil Sep 2022 #18
Sociopaths' behaviors H2O Man Sep 2022 #19

WarGamer

(18,859 posts)
22. I Bet 90% of them were about the Mueller Investigation.
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 03:00 PM
Sep 2022

That's where the evidence points.

Jersey Devil

(10,856 posts)
3. Agree, but would he be stupid enough
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 12:57 PM
Sep 2022

to forget to also destroy the folders they were kept in?

Jersey Devil

(10,856 posts)
11. Yes, if course, but I bet they are numbered
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 01:15 PM
Sep 2022

or barcoded so that the contents could be identified by the log numbers kept for each document, so the folders themselves are proof that Trump did at one time have the documents that are now missing. Failure to destroy the folders is monumentally dumb if the contents were destroyed.

Brother Buzz

(40,407 posts)
21. Methinks the folders were informally put together by staff in the White House...
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 02:54 PM
Sep 2022

essentially transmittal pouches, and the orange anus simply saw something shiny and swiped them.

d_r

(6,908 posts)
16. yep anything makes him look bad was long destroyed
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 01:21 PM
Sep 2022

what he kept were things to blackmail with or sell

Ferryboat

(1,270 posts)
4. Just speculation at this point
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 12:58 PM
Sep 2022

Whatever was in those files is missing. Pretty sure the government has an idea what is missing and will take action to minimize the damage.

By their very nature the public will never learn the contents. So why get all worked up about this? There is plenty we do know. Focus on that.

Vote blue.

Jersey Devil

(10,856 posts)
5. If the docs were about 1/6 then there is no national security risk
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 01:01 PM
Sep 2022

So I disagree that the public would never learn what is in them. If they were about the President being involved in a coup then they will be declassfied and made public.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
6. If they were about people the FBI used to
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 01:04 PM
Sep 2022

infiltrate some of the groups like the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, etc., that would be a problem but I agree not on the level of a national security risk.

Jersey Devil

(10,856 posts)
13. Speculation for us, sure, but not for the DOJ and FBI
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 01:18 PM
Sep 2022

They know what each of those folders contained from the log numbers and chain of custody records.

skip fox

(19,502 posts)
9. Speculation includes a wide range of possibilities. This
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 01:13 PM
Sep 2022

Is on the oblivious end. As

As is the realization that there most likely (95 percent) are originals of all these documents. So by destroying one, Trump wpould destroy only a copy.


That means, because of registers of th chain of custody and the fact these were only copies, DOJ has long known exactly what wasn’t returned and it’s full contents!

Claustrum

(5,060 posts)
8. If TFG ever did something right, it's his grifting and committing crimes.
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 01:09 PM
Sep 2022

He knows enough to know that he can't just keep one type of documents/evidence of the crime. He creates a messy system where he doesn't track anything in the first place. So you can't pinpoint to the specific instance of his crime. So my guess is, there are "innocent" or less problematic documents (like the UFO) mixing in some documents about 1/6, some about Hillary, some about Biden, some about Macron, and some that other foreign countries wanted.

skip fox

(19,502 posts)
17. Right!
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 01:22 PM
Sep 2022

These were written/compiled by analysts and sent up the chain. The ones deemed important (due to likehood, risk, etc) would be sent to the president. There are actually several “actuals.”

H2O Man

(79,250 posts)
15. Recommended.
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 01:20 PM
Sep 2022

I think that this might include things from the White House Counsel both pre- and post- 1/6. This would explain Trump's claim that they are privileged.

Jersey Devil

(10,856 posts)
18. Makes a great deal of sense
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 01:28 PM
Sep 2022

No one could ever claim privilege for things like intelligence assessments, lists of spies or even nuclear information. Only something involving White House Counsel or other communications between White House personnel could possibly be subject to privilege claims.

Wouldn't it be ironic if Trump classified those communictions himself so no one would ever see them and now is accused of stealing them and then either destroying or losing them?

H2O Man

(79,250 posts)
19. Sociopaths' behaviors
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 01:31 PM
Sep 2022

come as no surprise to those who have studied and dealt with them. One can usually predict their reactions to pressure. Just think of the worst thing they can do ..... and Trump certainly has!

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