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Ponietz

(3,177 posts)
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 11:24 AM Sep 2022

I was chased by a Nazi and saw him get punched

Last edited Mon Sep 5, 2022, 02:46 PM - Edit history (3)

In 1972, I was 11. I loved life, knew everyone in the neighborhood, played in the streets and parks whenever school was out. Everyone knew me—I was always knocking on doors to sell little league raffle tickets, do yard work, or collect on newspaper subscriptions.

The kids would play touch football in the street after dinner and knew to avoid the yard of our ex-Nazi neighbors. The wife would call the police if the ball went in her yard. The grown daughter was a recluse who always wore army surplus. The father was a German scientist relocated here at the end of WW2. There was no animosity amongst my pals but the wife’s behavior was a joke. This family wanted to be left alone and we didn’t bother them. I already knew half the lesson.

One summer afternoon I was walking home and happened to look behind me. The father was walking quickly toward me, 100 yards or so behind. It startled me so I quickened my pace. I looked again and the man was running now. It terrified—I ran and jumped a wall leaving him behind.

My mother and father came home from work. I stayed near their closet until they arrived—still hysterical. Inconsolable.

Did I mention my father was a Marine? Saipan, Okinawa, Nagasaki occupation. Coolest cucumber I ever met. All he said was, “Is everyone ready to go out to dinner?”

We all got into the station wagon. “Where does he live?” he said.

We parked at the curb and, though I didn’t want to, had to come with him to the Nazi’s door. The Nazi answered. “My son tells me you chased him today”.

“Yeah, look here!” and the Nazi crosses the threshold to point to his window. It had a BB hole in it.

I was joyful in my innocence. “I didn’t do it! I wanted a BB gun for Christmas and you said no!”

“He says he didn’t do it”

“I don’t give a shit what your son says!”

It all happened so fast but in an instant it was Clay standing over a fallen Liston. My father had dropped the guy with one punch. He towered over the Nazi whose nose now bled, and told him if he ever came near me again he was a dead man.

We returned to the car. I was triumphant. The matter was dropped. In that moment I understood the whole lesson:

Don’t provoke Nazis but when they cross the line they must be punched in the face.





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I was chased by a Nazi and saw him get punched (Original Post) Ponietz Sep 2022 OP
Great story! Raven Sep 2022 #1
Wonderful story. Cool Dad. LoisB Sep 2022 #2
👍🏼 IrishAfricanAmerican Sep 2022 #3
Semper Cherokee100 Sep 2022 #4
I would never confront a child, Mr.Bill Sep 2022 #5
It felt like terrorism then Ponietz Sep 2022 #7
Alright! Joinfortmill Sep 2022 #6
good read NJCher Sep 2022 #8
Love it. fightforfreedom Sep 2022 #9
never cross the line with a retired marine . AllaN01Bear Sep 2022 #10
I wonder who shot the BB through his window Polybius Sep 2022 #11
Reasons to believe it was Brian Ponietz Sep 2022 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Ponietz Sep 2022 #12
Thank you for sharing your story! WOW. CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2022 #14
Getting clobbered on camera slightly improved Richard Spencer Warpy Sep 2022 #15
When will that happen to trump? SouthernDem4ever Sep 2022 #33
Not until he goes to prison Warpy Sep 2022 #39
Great story for life! Cozmo Sep 2022 #16
They MUST be punched in the face. Paladin Sep 2022 #17
My parents are pacifists, but my dad is more serious about it. hunter Sep 2022 #18
My grandmother would say burrowowl Sep 2022 #30
The GOP brought 300K of them in the 50's IbogaProject Sep 2022 #19
I saw the Camp Confidential documentary on Netflix Ponietz Sep 2022 #20
History tells us that violence ends in the graveyard. nt Esra Star Sep 2022 #21
If you replace "Nazi" with "Socialist" miffelplix Sep 2022 #22
I was never chased by a socialist Ponietz Sep 2022 #23
A socialist would probably set up a BB shooting range Farmer-Rick Sep 2022 #26
#22 points out that right-wingers change facts and lie Ponietz Sep 2022 #27
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2022 #34
Buz Aldrin... reACTIONary Sep 2022 #24
Guy deserved that! burrowowl Sep 2022 #31
Love your story. Thanks for sharing! FlyingPiggy Sep 2022 #25
Love it! Wish I had a dad like that. nt SunSeeker Sep 2022 #28
My old man.... (God, I miss him). I was maybe 14 years old when this happened. 3Hotdogs Sep 2022 #29
I almost had to do that for my son SouthernDem4ever Sep 2022 #32
Give a bully an inch,.. magicarpet Sep 2022 #35
Why do we glorify this story yet condemn Will Smith? elias7 Sep 2022 #36
Is a tasteless joke at a ceremonial event the same thing as threatening children? Ponietz Sep 2022 #37
For that matter, he acted like a 1%er Ponietz Sep 2022 #38
Awesome father Duncanpup Sep 2023 #40

Mr.Bill

(24,442 posts)
5. I would never confront a child,
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 12:48 PM
Sep 2022

even if I knew he did something wrong. I would talk to the parents, or if the offence was big enough, call the police.

People much younger than me would find this hard to believe, but in the 50s in a close knit neighborhood, if some kid did something bad, another neighbor adult might spank the kid, or at least threaten to. And the kid's parents would thank them.

Ponietz

(3,177 posts)
7. It felt like terrorism then
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 01:03 PM
Sep 2022

and I have that same feeling now as I did when I looked behind me. Sure, other adults corrected us. Today, they terrorize our children. I’ve had enough of them since 2017.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
9. Love it.
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 01:15 PM
Sep 2022

My dad was the same way. He was a Marine and there are certain things you can never do to a Marine. They will punch you.

Some young guy insulted my dads Marine Corp baseball cap. My father was around seventy years old at the time. My father never said a word, he just punched him. A Marine is a Marine for life, that is not just a saying.

Polybius

(15,761 posts)
11. I wonder who shot the BB through his window
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 01:35 PM
Sep 2022

And why was he so persistent in thinking that it was you? Did you ever find out? I would have asked him when I got old enough (probably by 1979).

Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Warpy

(111,873 posts)
15. Getting clobbered on camera slightly improved Richard Spencer
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 01:54 PM
Sep 2022

He's been a lot quieter these days, maybe Mom tightened the purse strings. Being restricted to extremist, far right media seems to have clobbered his own cash flow.

That sucker punch gave him his 15 minutes of fame, but bully boys who are publicly flattened never seem to recover fully. Being on the radar got him deplatformed and the skids downward are ongoing.

This is a year old, but it's a good illustration of what happens to bullies who are shown to be vulnerable,
https://www.salon.com/2021/09/06/white-nationalist-richard-spencers-life-is-in-shambles-as-charlottesville-trial-looms-report_partner/

SouthernDem4ever

(6,618 posts)
33. When will that happen to trump?
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 07:21 AM
Sep 2022

how far does he have to go before the idiot repugs realize they have been sucking up to a back-stabbing snake?

Warpy

(111,873 posts)
39. Not until he goes to prison
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 12:12 PM
Sep 2022

All punches to the face before that need to be metaphorical.

Besides, he's surrounded by Secret Service plus his own goons. It would be suicidal to attempt it.

hunter

(38,492 posts)
18. My parents are pacifists, but my dad is more serious about it.
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 03:48 PM
Sep 2022

Bullies were more afraid of my mom.

In my family we joke that we're pacifists by necessity, not by any natural inclination.

My dad's a big guy who served in the Army as a Radar O'Reilly medical clerk.

My wife's dad is a pacifist too. He served as a Navy corpsman assigned to the Marines.

Neither one of them wanted anything to do with guns. It was just dumb luck they didn't end up in Korea.

I have witnessed my mom going berserker on people. I once saw her grab a rifle out of some fool's hands, expertly unload it, and break the gun against a rock. She was ready to fight too but the guy turned white, hurried off, and started screaming all the expletives you'd expect when he had some distance on her.

As a kid I was always terrified that my mom would light off on someone. It wasn't good for me.

My great grandmas were worse, holy terrors of the Wild West, handy with guns, knives, and words that could kill. Nobody crossed them.

Thankfully, children were off-limits to their matriarchal wrath. Whenever we did something wrong we'd be removed from the immediate danger and then they'd patiently explain why what we did was wrong, permanently searing the guilt upon our consciences. That wasn't good for me either.

My wife and I tried to raise our children with a somewhat lighter hand but we still may have gone overboard with the patient explaining. Kids can figure stuff out for themselves.

I've no experience at all with authoritarianism, where you follow the rules or else...

It seems to me most humans are extraordinarily resistant to punishment. They have to be trained from an early age to accept it. Unfortunately, many people raised authoritarian environments never learn to think for themselves, they just follow the rules imposed upon them.

When I was a kid I broke a few windows doing stupid kid stuff. I wasn't punished for it, but I always had to pay for it one way or another.

Those are things I don't feel guilty about. My dad paid for the windows, and I repaid my dad in extra chores, which was probably worse for him because he had to put up with my complaints. It would have been a lot easier for him to say "boys will be boys" and let me off the hook. It would have been easier to heap on the guilt or shame.

As a kid I don't remember being falsely accused of anything by a Nazi neighbor, probably because I was the idiot kid who did it.


burrowowl

(17,705 posts)
30. My grandmother would say
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 01:51 AM
Sep 2022

The Lord said to turn the other cheek but he didn’t say what to do when you turned tat one.

IbogaProject

(2,953 posts)
19. The GOP brought 300K of them in the 50's
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 04:10 PM
Sep 2022

I got flagged for mentioning this before. The official record only acknowledges 10-20k during the Truman administration under "Operation Paperclip". But as the cold war heated up in the 1950s the Eisenhauer administration brought nearly 300K actual Nazis and German functionaries into America. I don't know how we clean up all the problems that has caused. And don't forget the GOP basically funded Hitler through Harriman under Prescott Bush.

Ponietz

(3,177 posts)
20. I saw the Camp Confidential documentary on Netflix
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 06:46 PM
Sep 2022

Jewish refugee GIs were ordered to supervise Nazi Rocket scientists at a top secret camp in the US after the war ended. Their stories are disturbing.

miffelplix

(54 posts)
22. If you replace "Nazi" with "Socialist"
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 08:02 PM
Sep 2022

you could post this to a right-wing website. No need to change another word.

Farmer-Rick

(10,420 posts)
26. A socialist would probably set up a BB shooting range
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 08:51 PM
Sep 2022

For the kids. If kids with BB guns don't have something to shoot at, they shoot down birds, squirrels and neighbors' windows and siding.

My Dad did that for us boys in our suburban neighborhood. We all had to listen to his safety lecture before we could shoot at the targets. It only lasted a couple of years, until we outgrew the BB guns. No one put their eye out.



reACTIONary

(5,825 posts)
24. Buz Aldrin...
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 08:25 PM
Sep 2022

Air Force, not a Marine, but a fighter pilot. I think it was the guy calling him a "coward" that finally triggered him.


3Hotdogs

(12,707 posts)
29. My old man.... (God, I miss him). I was maybe 14 years old when this happened.
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 12:51 AM
Sep 2022

One of the town's bullies was Frank.... At the time of the incident, he was maybe, 19.

Dad was 5'5" and was lucky if he weighed 130 pounds.... veteran of Army and Navy and Iwo Jima.

Frank was maybe 5' 8" and also around the same weight.

ME? I was one of Charles Atlas's 100 lb. weaklings. Hell I probably didn't even make 100 lbs.


Dad and I were walking to town and Frank challenged him, called him out about --- whatever.

Dad. Come over here if you want to settle it.

I'm saying to myself, if my father nuts? Frank will kill him.


Frank made a couple of more comments and then went back into his house.

I was proud of dad that day.

SouthernDem4ever

(6,618 posts)
32. I almost had to do that for my son
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 07:15 AM
Sep 2022

but the police showed up, promised to handle it. Never heard from the dude again. Was lucky that time.

magicarpet

(14,830 posts)
35. Give a bully an inch,..
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 09:50 AM
Sep 2022

They will take ten miles.

Authoritarian Fascists must be made suffer the repercussions of their actions.

Ponietz

(3,177 posts)
37. Is a tasteless joke at a ceremonial event the same thing as threatening children?
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 10:39 AM
Sep 2022

Smith and his wife were free to leave. No one was unjustly threatening their safety. Smith acted like a Nazi would by angrily rushing to judgment and resorting to violence. My father would also have condemned Smith’s folly. I’m stymied this needs explanation.

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