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I know we want to think that Donald Trump is the reason all this is happening to the Republican Party.
However,
Donald Trump didn't exist when the tea turds created themselves
Donald Trump didn't exist when Jerry falwell created the moral majority and carved out the one issue voter over abortion back in the eighties🤷🏾♀️
The way the Republican party is today is the way they evolved to be, or devolved to be, as it were.
They are on the path they chose for themselves, we should just let them die because that's where they're headed.
They rejected the vaccine they die at a rate of 90%
They actively fight to take away our free will and that's not Donald Trump, that is just the Republican party. The supreme Court those 6 justices, they were put there by a Republican party that wanted to control us, sure they used Donald Trump to get those justices to the Supreme Court, but let's be honest Mitch Mcconnell created that Supreme Court not Donald Trump. And Mitch mcconnell is a GOP Standard that Joe Biden thinks we should go back to.
I say allow Donald Trump to completely destroy their Republican party we do not need a 2 party system if one of the parties only wants to control us, and destroy democracy.
The Republican party chose to render themselves useless in a 2022 society
Why hang on to that garbage?
Just because we've been told we need a 2 party system. If they are not 2 functioning parties what's the point?🤔
And to be honest having a choice between 2 parties should be decided at the ballad Box. 80 million of us decided we don't want the Republican party anymore.
We are the majority of this country, the minority party the republicans are dying off because they decided not to get vaccinated.
And their ideas are archaic.
Old ideas are best left in the past, the Republican party is not a party of our future. And therefore the democrats should stop trying to save it.🙄
The so called notion of a mainstream Republican is Mitch mcconnell. Do we really need Mitch Mcconnell?
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EnergizedLib
(3,089 posts)Are Republicans interested in saving our party?
There’s you answer as to whether Dems should save Republicans.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)They wouldn't piss on us if we were on, fire lol
LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)Been doing it since Reagan.
GenXer47
(1,204 posts)Ronald Reagan gave us Scalia who gave us the mass-shooter nightmare we live in now - 400 million guns and the slaughter of children in school treated as nothing more than nasty weather.
RR gave us Iran-Contra, flooded New York and LA with crack, disabled an entire generation of Black people, and then arrested them.
It was Ronald Reagan who referred to the UN delegation from Niger as "monkeys" who were "not comfortable wearing shoes".
Ronald Reagan, who oversaw the deaths of a hundred thousand gay men due to AIDS.
They're sick fucks, to the core. Beware the "moderate Republican", they may simply be more polite than the others.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)jimfields33
(19,382 posts)Obviously the 98 senators weren’t that negative on Scalia. Now the following nominee was Bork which started a big fight that reagan lost bringing in Kennedy as replacement.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)republican party of today knows exactly what it is and their goals. Way back, the GOP brought some good ideas, etc. But, that was way back to Eisenhower times ... and even then, well ... The GOP is dangerous, extremely dangerous. People need to vote by what the candidates say, or made of ... not just because the have a R by their name.
Locutusofborg
(588 posts)to 22 for us Democrats. Republicans control 62 chambers of state legislatures. Democrats control 36 chambers. 1 chamber is tied and has a power sharing agreement. Currently Republicans control 54.14% of all state legislative seats nationally, while Democrats hold 44.35%.
Anyone who thinks that the Republican Party is dead or dying is fooling themselves. They have never been more of a threat.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Heather MC
(8,084 posts)Joe Biden is trying to split them up as "mainstream, versus maga
They're just one horrible party the Republican party
And they pitched their wagon to Donald Trump
If that destroys their party, why should we help them in any way?
Locutusofborg
(588 posts)Three of the most Democratic states in the nation on a national level: Maryland, Massachusetts and Vermont all have Republican governors. Those three Republican governors are never-Trumpers. Biden got 65% of the vote in Maryland, and 66% in Massachusetts and Vermont.
There's going to be a Republican Party. I see nothing wrong with helping it get back to being a sane party instead of an insane one. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." In my humble opinion, Trumpism is the real enemy.
jimfields33
(19,382 posts)I’m sure twenty years from now, it will continue to be mentioned.
live love laugh
(16,436 posts)Heather MC
(8,084 posts)In his speech he used the term "mainstream Republican" Versus "maga republicans"
Also during the January 6th hearings they kept trying to make Mike Pence out as some type of hero.
Democrats keep trying to help republicans find a place to go when they're done with Donald Trump.
I say they belong wherever Donald Trump ends up🤷🏾♀️
live love laugh
(16,436 posts)among Republicans. It forces them to either identify with the most base elements of the cult or to distance from that. It also gives them a lot of their own medicine — divisiveness and splintering— which they use as a political weapon every chance they get.
If it were actually possible to do away with them completely what would politics even look like in the party system? So make them stand up and be counted— in or out of MAGA world.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)This idea that we need two political parties is ridiculous, if one of them is no longer functioning for the benefit of the country.
The republicans have never done anything to benefit the citizens of this country
Since 1863
They didn't create social security They fought against it even though now they love it
They hated medicare when it 1st happened
No one voted for the ACA on the Republican side
No one voted for student death relief on the Republican side
What exactly is the Republican party bringing to the table that is actually a benefit to the country.
Besides being able to say we have a 2 party system?
They have rendered themselves completely useless for our useless for our future.
Quite a lot of important stuff after 1863 were mostly passed by and/or with major support with Republicans. Basically for over a century, up until about the last 30-40 years truth be told.
Now, one can say the parties were slowly switching identities over the course of that time period, and to a large extent that is true. However, to make the cut off 1863 is at least a century too soon since that leaves off the Reconstruction Amendments, Civil Service Reform in the 1880s, Theodore Roosevelt, etc., etc.. Even a lot of presidents one would think of in some sort of villainous or corrupt fashion (like Warren Harding or Nixon for example) had things about them that we'd laud today (the former's Birmingham speech in 1921 probably being the most forceful on behalf of civil rights between Reconstruction and John F. Kennedy, the latter with OSHA and the Clean Air Act).
Right now, especially under Trump, the GOP is completely lost. But is wasn't THAT long ago that the party was still capable of helping the country out.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)They didn't create social security almost
They hated medicare they did try to do things to make it better Reagan and Bush
However, Reagan made a whole video about how horrible medicare was and I believe social security when it 1st began.
How many republicans voted for the aca again?
How many republicans voted for education forgiveness?
How many republicans are for universal health care?
How many republicans celebrated the end of roe V wade
They did all these things independent of Donald Trump, we need to stop acting like Donald Trump is the sole problem of the Republic party and ignithe Republic party an acknowledge that the entire party is the problem.
And maybe not work so hard to protect it let them die let them die let the Republican party destroy itself on the path it put itself on that's all I'm saying.
We don't need to attack them, but we certainly don't need to help them out of their own problems
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Submariner
(13,394 posts)but riding Roe V Wade for all its worth the next few election cycles to strive to gain 50/50 parity with male counterparts in the House and Senate. May the force be with them.
Vogon_Glory
(10,328 posts)Let the Republican Party die. Leave the extremists, the loudmouths, the ivory-tower ideologues, the sectarian fanatics, and the wanna-be fascists out in the wilderness. Let’s not repeat the errors of our forebears and let them into our ranks.
For that matter, let’s not let any (allegedly) repentant Dixiecrats rejoin the Democratic Party. They showed who and what they were when they joined the GOP. We don’t want them back.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)We shouldn't be doing anything, except watching the carnage of that party from a safe distance
While munching on healthy snacks lol
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Given the nature of America's political institutions, it is highly likely that we will remain a nation with two major political parties (as opposed to countries with multi-party parliamentary systems).
I think it is our interest to have an opposition party that isn't fascist/totalitarian/authoritarian as the alternative.
We should not have to fear for the future of the republic every time we lose an election.
Heather MC
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Name one time in MODERN history, that republicans have done something to make our lives better?
I think this notion that we need to have a 2 party system is absolutely ridiculous if one party has proven for decades, that its intention is to control us, And hold us back.
What about the Republican party will help us in the coming future?
Does the republicans want to do anything to protect the environment?
Do republicans want to do anything to help us have universal health care?
Do the republicans have any interest in making sure women have a right to choose when we put our life on the line to bring a baby into this world?
What exactly is the other party doing that's worth keeping around is worth keeping around?
As it stands all the Republican party is, is a Box that we check that says we are a 2 party system
They literally provide nothing of worth🤷🏾♀️
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Nixon (who I despised) created the EPA.
Look, I'm no apologist for the GOP. But between the alternatives of a sane conservative party with whom I (as a lifelong Democrat) have strong political differences and a fascist or semi-fascist party, I'd pick the former every time.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)So what if there have been republicans over the years who've done something good, all that makes them as a broken clock where they're right at least twice A-day.
The Republican ideology, is one of slavery
They believe the minority is supposed to rule over the majority if that's not slavery what else is it?
Their ultimate goals are ugly and dangerous for most of us particularly women and black people
Why do we need a political party whose stated goals are designed to subjugate huge huge parts of our population?
They don't like women, they don't like black people, they don't like immigrants from South America,
And I could go on.
What value does that party have today? What is their worth to the rest of society?
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)I hated Nixon.
Nevertheless, I don't wish to see fascists controlling the Republican Party.
Wishing for that seems crazy to me.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)What I said is, the republicans did this to themselves stood themselves. Let let them keep f****** themselves.
Joe Biden or any Democrat shouldn't be stepping in trying to parse and parcel The Republican party up in a way that gives so called moderate republicans ofor it republicans a place to run to after Donald Trump completely destroys it.
Let them figure their own way out of this mess, they were happy to put themselves in this mess🤷🏾♀️
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)to support Democrats in November. That will help bring down MAGA.
It is in all our interests to oppose fascism.
I stand with Joe Biden on this one. Which is my default position.
Mad_Machine76
(24,974 posts)but just pointing out that there will likely always be at least some constituency for it or for a "conservative" party of some sort, if the Republican Party ceases to exist.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)They will always be at least roughly half of our population and need a means of organizing to pursue their interests politically.
I haven't actually heard any scary threat that we're trying to save the Republican Party. But we would if that turned out to be the most promising way of returning our nation to the stability we used to have -- before the GOP was taken over and traditional conservative thinking was purged and replaced with various types of RW corruption and extremism.
In other words, I don't see this as an issue. New, rational conservative party or reborn old one, they'd both draw the same people. What they'd have to have is new leadership. (The intractable MAGA extremists, shrunk by then, might retreat somewhere else.)
The real issue is saving our democracy. The answer MUST include rebuilding the "bipartisan" electoral majority we once had of both liberal and conservative mainstream elements that were capable of coming together when needed to fend off rises of extremist and subversive factions -- and to maintain a stable, workable balance between optimal freedom and supportive government. In our days of great progressive growth and wellbeing, we had that.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)And if you watch Joe Biden speech then yes you have heard democrats trying to save them.
If you've been paying attention to the January 6 committee hearings which I'm pretty sure you have. You would have seen them trying to make my pints be some sort of hero that so called moderate republicans can look too for leadership.
It's not an overt program to save the Republican party.
However Joe Biden coming out and making the distinction between a maga Republican versus a mainstream Republican.
That is the democratic president, creating a sort of Wormhole for republicans that were too afraid to speak out against trump to go and claim oh I've always been a "mainstream Republican" as if that's something good to be.
No perhaps since the Republican party is so skewered. They don't consider themselves anything but republicans they don't see themselves as "maga republicans versus mainstream republicans"
So they may not have listened to a word he said.
At any rate all I'm saying is, let them follow the path that they chose and if it destroys them don't give them an outcome don't give them a worm hole to go somewhere else. Let them sit in the fire that they created, and burn.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)have given a great deal of thought to this, and what Biden's trying to do is put it in action. He is a national leader, after all. This is what he, and others, are supposed to do. And we should think about it before choosing to either reject or help put this strategy into action.
You're right, of course, that needing to change dysfunctional notions that have been solidifying for decades now is a serious problem. But most of us as people are somewhere in a range of what we could be. Most conservatives have been trained over years to be something like their own worst versions politically, but becoming more like the better versions they could be is possible. That's proven by studies that have done just that.
Same for everyone to reconnect with any good qualities smothered by anger in this ugly period.
Biden points a way by separating out those we need to oppose while they're still endangering our people, and need not try to accept, from those who have become scared of what the MAGAs are doing and might ally politically to stop them, or at least not vote.
Mad_Machine76
(24,974 posts)but realistically, some portion of the country is going to continue to be conservative/right-wing and will continue to vote Republican until/unless they realize what they really stand for and how it is against their interests becomes apparent to them. It's not our responsibility to "save" them but we can't completely ignore them either or pretend they don't exist. Hopefully, that number will continue to shrink, but we have to ask ourselves, do we want a "sane" Republican Party in this country that is bad but at least somewhat tolerable and able to work with us or do we want the Trumpian lunatics running the asylum?