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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWell, this is an interesting take on a possible second term - the 22nd Amendment
https://www.npr.org/2022/09/06/1120383809/22nd-amendment-explainer?utm_campaign=politics&utm_term=nprnews&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.comsnip...........
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Why go with Trump, their argument might go, when he can only serve four more years and you could vote for someone else who could give you eight?
What's more, electing Trump in 2024 would mean an "open" presidential election campaign four years later, putting conservatives at a disadvantage without an incumbent president able to run for reelection.
Trump's former attorney general, Bill Barr, who has since broken with Trump over his election lies, made a resemblant argument. Republicans, he told CBS News, could "really achieve a decisive victory with the right candidate, but I don't think Trump is that candidate. The day he's elected he'll be a 78-year-old lame duck who is obviously bent on revenge more than anything else."
Right. He won't be working towards winning another term, so all it would be is four years of pure revenge. I'm sure he wants to do it, but I'm not sure even this crazy GOP wants him to. They'd have to figure out how to move on after he's gone.
2naSalit
(86,496 posts)Not sure how it will turn out, of course, but this is something to consider.
Wounded Bear
(58,618 posts)KPN
(15,641 posts)Solomon
(12,310 posts)'til he dies.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)I want to see that piece of orange shit cold and stiff on a slab and confirmed dead of a massive stroke or heart attack and the sooner the better, but at least before he could ever again assume the duties of the Presidency - THAT simply cannot happen under any circumstances and at any cost.
Novara
(5,835 posts)... that they have either.
But it would make sense if someone drops the bomb of truth on them that not only will they only get 4 years of him, he will be a lame duck the entire time, so if the House or the Senate (or both) are Dem, he won't get a damn thing done.
Is a 4-year revenge streak worth it?
Quanto Magnus
(893 posts)SCOTUS and the recent decisions....
Why not?
Whiskeytide
(4,461 posts)
would be for Тяцмp to run with DeSantis as his veep, spend 2 years getting his revenge in every horrid way possible, step down for a full, blanket pardon from DeSantis, and then - potentially - have Desantis in the White House for 10 years.
I dont think it would work, mind you, but thats their best play strategically.
Johonny
(20,827 posts)Maybe for show. But not honest actual elections. I mean, Barr knows that. Trump is nuts.
TheRealNorth
(9,474 posts)Last edited Tue Sep 6, 2022, 04:30 PM - Edit history (1)
There won't be free and fair elections after that. They are willing to go so far as pay foreign governments to make up shit about Democratic candidates, and the MSM like CNN will cover it endlessly because "both sides" bullshit.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)It fucking kills me that this country is so overloaded with people willing to carry water for GOP bullshit that they will overlook things like the FACT that there is not a "media bias" that makes the GOP look bad, they ARE bad (and getting worse). The truth does not have a bias, but it certainly does appear to make those who traffic in lies look bad a lot easier.
The media (on the large scale, propaganda size hype level) is largely worthless with their coverage and manic need to "both sides" everything. They are afraid of the label and as such they are the worst of all worlds - lukewarm left-overs.
bluestarone
(16,894 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)Blue state secession WILL happen.
newdayneeded
(1,955 posts)it would only be a 3 1/2 year term, the last 6 months will be pure lame duck.
Might be worth putting that bug in some trumpers ears.
3catwoman3
(23,965 posts)...believe, that Trump actually won in 2020, he can't run in 2024 because he's already been elected twice.
TheRickles
(2,047 posts)niyad
(113,205 posts)DFW
(54,325 posts)Either to Trump personally, or the sitting chair of the RNC, or the Republican leaders of the Senate and House: Was Donald Trump elected in 2020, or was he defeated in 2020?
The text of the 22nd amendment is clear: "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice...." Not "inaugurated," but "elected." The wording is plain.
If Trump claims he was elected in 2020, he is done. He is, by his own definition, ineligible to be elected again. If he wants to bring up being elected, but not allowed to assume office, go tell Al Gore, John Kerry and Hillary Clinton, and see what they have to say about that particular scenario. I'm sure he'd be delighted to ask them to have his back to the same extent that he had theirs.
TheRickles
(2,047 posts)CharleyDog
(757 posts)Handsome Joe will beat him handsomely.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)Dear Leader credit for the term lost due to the Big Steal (lie) -- he would get an 8-year term.
lees1975
(3,845 posts)Not with his negative numbers. It would be next to impossible for him to get to 270. The only way he could get back in is if there were massive fraud, or manipulation of how electors are chosen. It's pretty obvious that's where his MAGAt followers are headed, if they can get elected. I'd be surprised if enough of them win to make that much of a difference.
I'm not sure, given the way he looks in more candid photos that aren't staged, he will be alive to run in 2024.
Novara
(5,835 posts)Of that I am sure, whether or not he runs.
I think he'll finally reach the point where he's too toxic. Unfortunately we're not there yet but nothing is getting any better for him. And if 2022 turns out to be a bloodbath for Rs, they're gonna backpedal so fast they'll warp the space-time continuum.
moonshinegnomie
(2,438 posts)therefore he's disqualified.....
onenote
(42,660 posts)following your line of reasoning.
Ford_Prefect
(7,875 posts)He's not entitled to the kind of personal time a Trump campaign would demand.
Not to mention that he'll need 24 hour security inside a cell block. Epstein was not so lucky as Donald but odds are Donny my be due the same fate in some eyes.
Dysfunctional
(452 posts)A person is elected twice for 8 years. Then their party wins the presidential election and controls the House. They make the past president Speaker of the House. The new president and vice-president resign making the past president the president again.