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Novara

(5,835 posts)
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 03:18 PM Sep 2022

Well, this is an interesting take on a possible second term - the 22nd Amendment

https://www.npr.org/2022/09/06/1120383809/22nd-amendment-explainer?utm_campaign=politics&utm_term=nprnews&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com

snip...........

The amendment says nothing about non-consecutive terms, simply that no one can be elected "more than twice." It allows for holding office a maximum of 10 years, but only if someone assumed office without being elected and served as president for less than two years.


snip............

The fact that Trump can only serve four more years is something that could become a political argument — publicly and privately — from Republicans building a case against backing the former president.

Why go with Trump, their argument might go, when he can only serve four more years and you could vote for someone else who could give you eight?

What's more, electing Trump in 2024 would mean an "open" presidential election campaign four years later, putting conservatives at a disadvantage without an incumbent president able to run for reelection.

Trump's former attorney general, Bill Barr, who has since broken with Trump over his election lies, made a resemblant argument. Republicans, he told CBS News, could "really achieve a decisive victory with the right candidate, but I don't think Trump is that candidate. The day he's elected he'll be a 78-year-old lame duck who is obviously bent on revenge more than anything else."


Right. He won't be working towards winning another term, so all it would be is four years of pure revenge. I'm sure he wants to do it, but I'm not sure even this crazy GOP wants him to. They'd have to figure out how to move on after he's gone.

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Well, this is an interesting take on a possible second term - the 22nd Amendment (Original Post) Novara Sep 2022 OP
It is. 2naSalit Sep 2022 #1
trump voters/supporters don't intend that an election will happen after 2024...nt Wounded Bear Sep 2022 #2
THIS with one small addition "Trump and ..." KPN Sep 2022 #13
Exactly. Why should they give a fuck about the 22nd amendment. If he gets in again he ain't leaving Solomon Sep 2022 #25
Which would hopefully be immediately after the election via heart attack. Moostache Sep 2022 #26
It presupposes that the GOP has brains and a strategy for the future, and we have seen no evidence Novara Sep 2022 #3
Well they did get one long play right... Quanto Magnus Sep 2022 #23
Good idea. pwb Sep 2022 #4
A lot of "Ifs", but the correct strategy ... Whiskeytide Sep 2022 #5
If Trump wins in 2024, it's unlikely there will be elections ever again Johonny Sep 2022 #6
Exactly TheRealNorth Sep 2022 #8
CNN has developed a philosophical bent towards covering things in a more right-favorable way... Moostache Sep 2022 #27
1 BILLION % agree! bluestarone Sep 2022 #12
If Dump steals it again 2024, there won't be a United States left to have elections. roamer65 Sep 2022 #17
Not to mention newdayneeded Sep 2022 #7
What do the true believers say when it is pointed out that if, as they... 3catwoman3 Sep 2022 #9
Excellent! TheRickles Sep 2022 #14
+1000 roamer65 Sep 2022 #18
Stroke out already, you F'n, murdering, orange TRAITOR**. niyad Sep 2022 #10
Someone needs to ask, on camera DFW Sep 2022 #11
Not sure what forum that could happen in, but it'd be great! TheRickles Sep 2022 #16
I hope the dotard runs with crazy MTG as Vice President. CharleyDog Sep 2022 #15
IfTrumpgetsin2024withHouseandSenatemajorities,immediatelytheywillgive NCjack Sep 2022 #19
The MSM and Republicans keep talking like Trump being elected is a possibility. lees1975 Sep 2022 #20
They are right now planning how to steal the election in 2024 Novara Sep 2022 #22
he claimes he won in 2020. so in his mind hes already been elected twice moonshinegnomie Sep 2022 #21
I don't think he won either time, so I guess he can run two more times onenote Sep 2022 #28
He can neither run nor serve from behind penitentiary walls, especially if he's in solitary. Ford_Prefect Sep 2022 #24
Then a person can be the president for many years except for a few days. Dysfunctional Sep 2022 #29

Solomon

(12,310 posts)
25. Exactly. Why should they give a fuck about the 22nd amendment. If he gets in again he ain't leaving
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 06:48 PM
Sep 2022

'til he dies.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
26. Which would hopefully be immediately after the election via heart attack.
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 07:11 PM
Sep 2022

I want to see that piece of orange shit cold and stiff on a slab and confirmed dead of a massive stroke or heart attack and the sooner the better, but at least before he could ever again assume the duties of the Presidency - THAT simply cannot happen under any circumstances and at any cost.

Novara

(5,835 posts)
3. It presupposes that the GOP has brains and a strategy for the future, and we have seen no evidence
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 03:36 PM
Sep 2022

... that they have either.

But it would make sense if someone drops the bomb of truth on them that not only will they only get 4 years of him, he will be a lame duck the entire time, so if the House or the Senate (or both) are Dem, he won't get a damn thing done.

Is a 4-year revenge streak worth it?

Whiskeytide

(4,461 posts)
5. A lot of "Ifs", but the correct strategy ...
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 03:42 PM
Sep 2022

… would be for Тяцмp to run with DeSantis as his veep, spend 2 years getting his revenge in every horrid way possible, step down for a full, blanket pardon from DeSantis, and then - potentially - have Desantis in the White House for 10 years.

I don’t think it would work, mind you, but that’s their best play strategically.

Johonny

(20,827 posts)
6. If Trump wins in 2024, it's unlikely there will be elections ever again
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 03:44 PM
Sep 2022

Maybe for show. But not honest actual elections. I mean, Barr knows that. Trump is nuts.

TheRealNorth

(9,474 posts)
8. Exactly
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 03:49 PM
Sep 2022

Last edited Tue Sep 6, 2022, 04:30 PM - Edit history (1)

There won't be free and fair elections after that. They are willing to go so far as pay foreign governments to make up shit about Democratic candidates, and the MSM like CNN will cover it endlessly because "both sides" bullshit.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
27. CNN has developed a philosophical bent towards covering things in a more right-favorable way...
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 07:15 PM
Sep 2022

It fucking kills me that this country is so overloaded with people willing to carry water for GOP bullshit that they will overlook things like the FACT that there is not a "media bias" that makes the GOP look bad, they ARE bad (and getting worse). The truth does not have a bias, but it certainly does appear to make those who traffic in lies look bad a lot easier.

The media (on the large scale, propaganda size hype level) is largely worthless with their coverage and manic need to "both sides" everything. They are afraid of the label and as such they are the worst of all worlds - lukewarm left-overs.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
17. If Dump steals it again 2024, there won't be a United States left to have elections.
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 04:47 PM
Sep 2022

Blue state secession WILL happen.

newdayneeded

(1,955 posts)
7. Not to mention
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 03:47 PM
Sep 2022

it would only be a 3 1/2 year term, the last 6 months will be pure lame duck.

Might be worth putting that bug in some trumpers ears.

3catwoman3

(23,965 posts)
9. What do the true believers say when it is pointed out that if, as they...
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 04:04 PM
Sep 2022

...believe, that Trump actually won in 2020, he can't run in 2024 because he's already been elected twice.

DFW

(54,325 posts)
11. Someone needs to ask, on camera
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 04:20 PM
Sep 2022

Either to Trump personally, or the sitting chair of the RNC, or the Republican leaders of the Senate and House: Was Donald Trump elected in 2020, or was he defeated in 2020?

The text of the 22nd amendment is clear: "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice...." Not "inaugurated," but "elected." The wording is plain.

If Trump claims he was elected in 2020, he is done. He is, by his own definition, ineligible to be elected again. If he wants to bring up being elected, but not allowed to assume office, go tell Al Gore, John Kerry and Hillary Clinton, and see what they have to say about that particular scenario. I'm sure he'd be delighted to ask them to have his back to the same extent that he had theirs.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
19. IfTrumpgetsin2024withHouseandSenatemajorities,immediatelytheywillgive
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 05:01 PM
Sep 2022

Dear Leader credit for the term lost due to the Big Steal (lie) -- he would get an 8-year term.

lees1975

(3,845 posts)
20. The MSM and Republicans keep talking like Trump being elected is a possibility.
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 05:25 PM
Sep 2022

Not with his negative numbers. It would be next to impossible for him to get to 270. The only way he could get back in is if there were massive fraud, or manipulation of how electors are chosen. It's pretty obvious that's where his MAGAt followers are headed, if they can get elected. I'd be surprised if enough of them win to make that much of a difference.

I'm not sure, given the way he looks in more candid photos that aren't staged, he will be alive to run in 2024.

Novara

(5,835 posts)
22. They are right now planning how to steal the election in 2024
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 06:12 PM
Sep 2022

Of that I am sure, whether or not he runs.

I think he'll finally reach the point where he's too toxic. Unfortunately we're not there yet but nothing is getting any better for him. And if 2022 turns out to be a bloodbath for Rs, they're gonna backpedal so fast they'll warp the space-time continuum.

onenote

(42,660 posts)
28. I don't think he won either time, so I guess he can run two more times
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 07:21 PM
Sep 2022

following your line of reasoning.

Ford_Prefect

(7,875 posts)
24. He can neither run nor serve from behind penitentiary walls, especially if he's in solitary.
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 06:24 PM
Sep 2022

He's not entitled to the kind of personal time a Trump campaign would demand.

Not to mention that he'll need 24 hour security inside a cell block. Epstein was not so lucky as Donald but odds are Donny my be due the same fate in some eyes.

 

Dysfunctional

(452 posts)
29. Then a person can be the president for many years except for a few days.
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 08:02 PM
Sep 2022

A person is elected twice for 8 years. Then their party wins the presidential election and controls the House. They make the past president Speaker of the House. The new president and vice-president resign making the past president the president again.

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