WTF... Can someone please explain to me, how a Willie Nelson and

[teddy51]

a Clint Eastwood can be for a Romney? Crap, I would have put both of these guys in a column that would have been first to help people in need. Please tell me what I'm missing here.

[oldtime dfl_er]

1. oh no

not Willie!!??

[Tripper11]

2. Willy?? Really?

Really???????

[Viva_La_Revolution]

19. can't be true. He endorsed Kucinich

and Gary Johnson (then he took that one back)

[RichGirl]

3. Senility.

[spanone]

4. maybe mitt smoked a doober with willie, he'll do anything to get elected

http://www.salon.com/2011/05/20/willie_nelson_campaign_endorsements/

[GoneOffShore]

5. Where did you hear about Willie?

He's supporting Libertarian Gary Johnson this time out. Found out from the crappy Washington Times.

[meadowlark5]

6. Willie has had his run in with the IRS for unpaid taxes

So anyone who will cut his taxes and give him ways to not pay them is probably alright in Willie's book.

[bluestateguy]

7. He's for Gary Johnson

Get your facts right next time.

[still_one]

17. exactly

[DrummerMan]

8. Yeah he's for Gary

Because of his stance on weed.

[Dawson Leery]

9. He endorsed Gary Johnson.

[cilla4progress]

10. Google search says

Willie is for libertarian candidate Johnson. Along with Goldie Hawn and Penn Teller!

[Cha]

20. Goldie Hawn? Okay..good to know

[sadbear]

11. I think Willie endorsed Gary Johnson

which actually makes a lot of sense.

[graywarrior]

12. Link?

[El Supremo]

14. Link:

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/media-migraine/2012/nov/4/election-2012-romney-obama-johnson-katy-perry-vote/

[eqfan592]

21. It's got 50 Cent supporting Romney, when I'm fairly certain he's endorsed Pres. Obama. nt

[LTR]

37. Actually, Fitty's bragged about being a Republican

I think he was just bullshitting though. Kinda like when Eazy-E donated to the RNC. Afterward, he boasted that he bought a million dollars worth of publicity for $2,000.

[Nevernose]

49. He lives next door to Martha Stewart

And is worth somewhere between 300 million and a billion dollars. If I had that kind of dough (and less of a soul), I'd probably be a Republican, too.

[Marrah_G]

98. 50 cent is a republican

[graywarrior]

22. I see he supports Johnson.

No word about support Romney.

[Marr]

67. I have to know-- did you take your name from CS Forester's The Happy Return?

[SidDithers]

105. Love the Hornblower books...

and I'm about halfway through O'Brian's Aubrey-Maturin series right now

Sid

[Marr]

106. I love those, too.

I've only read one of the Aubrey-Maturin books so far but really enjoyed it. I love the Hornblower series. The TV show wasn't bad, either.

[ecstatic]

82. I had to investigate the LL Cool J thing...

They're wrong. He says he's not a repub. Neither is 50 Cent (in case anyone cares, lol).

[WiffenPoof]

85. Your Name: El Supremo

...wouldn't be making reference to the Steely Dan tune "Show Biz Kids?"

"I detect the El Supremo in the room at the top of the stairs"

Just curious...

-Paige

[movonne]

13. Where did this info come from...do you have proof of this...

[still_one]

15. I don't think so. From what I can see he is for gary johnson. Not great, but no romney. where did

you get that from

and I suspect the reason he is for johnson is because for marijuania

[tavernier]

16. If this is true then I'm totally confused...

I've actually said to friends of mine this week, "You cannot be a republican. You are too smart!! You believe in science and evolution and global warming, for heaven's sake!!"

It sort of makes them stutter, and then they just walk away. They can't answer me because THEY DO!

Willy... really???????

[RB TexLa]

18. Nope. Johnson

Barack Obama

Actors and actresses: Ben Affleck, Jessica Alba, Jason Alexander, Alec Baldwin, Elizabeth Banks, Jim Belushi, Zach Braff, Jeff Bridges, Connie Britton, Matthew Broderick, Nick Cannon, George Clooney, Bill Cosby, Alan Cummings, Matt Damon, Leonardo DiCaprio, Robert DiNiro, Kirk and Michael Douglas, Robert Downey Jr., Hillary Duff, Omar Epps, Will Ferrell, Jamie Foxx, Morgan Freeman, Mark Hamill, Tom Hanks, Neil Patrick Harris, Anne Hathaway, Salma Hayek, Dwyane (The Rock) Johnson, Angelina Jolie, James Earl Jones, Mila Kunis, Ashton Kucher, Nathan Lane, Eva Longoria, Jane Lynch, Toby Maguire, Demi Moore, Julianne Moore, Leonard Nimoy, Al Pacino, Sarah Jessica Parker, Kal Penn, Tyler Perry, Wendell Pierce, Brad Pitt, Julia Roberts, Paul Rudd, Martin Sheen, Jada Pinkett Smith and Will Smith, Sharon Stone, Meryl Streep, George Takei, Mark Wahlberg, Denzel Washington, Kerry Washington

Musicians and singers: Mary J. Blige, Mariah Carey, Kelly Clarkson, Miley Cyrus, Snoop Lion/Dogg, Aretha Franklin, Cee Lo Green, Elton John, Alicia Keys, Beyonce Knowles, John Legend, Madonna, Ricky Martin, Katy Perry, Bruce Springsteen, Barbra Streisand, Gwen Stefani, James Taylor, Justin Timberlake, Eddie Vedder, Jay-Z

Athletes: Muhammad Ali, Michael Jordan, Floyd Mayweather

Other Obama supporters include TV producer J.J. Abrams, Berkshire Hathaway CEO Warren Buffet, talk show host Ellen Degeneres, novelist Stephen King, designer Michael Kors, director Spike Lee, financial advisor Suze Orman, comedian Chris Rock, and of course Oprah.




Gary Johnson

Penn and Teller, magicians/entertainers
Willie Nelson, country singer
Andrew Napolitano, judge/news analyst
Sean Hannity, talk show host
John Stoessel, TV host and author
Jesse Ventura, former professional wrestler and Governor of Minnesota

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/media-migraine/2012/nov/4/election-2012-romney-obama-johnson-katy-perry-vote/

[Aristus]

24. Glad to see Robert Downey, Jr. supporting the President.

I had heard a rumor that he switched over to the repukes after getting out of prison...

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

53. Wow, I'm surprised

He's said he's a conservative, but he's never really came out and endorsed any candidate.

[Cha]

25. We got Daniel Craig and Daniel Radcliffe! Even if they can't vote..

"Actors Daniel Craig and Daniel Radcliffe both endorsed President Obama. But they’re British citizens and can’t vote here so they don’t count. Sorry guys"

Thanks for this link, RB TexLa.. I like to know who the selfish idiots are who get sucked in by someone like a Plutocrat mitt romney who would destroy the Planet if it meant fattening his fucking bank account in the Caymans.

Mitt Romney..

Actors and actresses: Scott Baio, Stephen Baldwin, Powers Booth, Gary Busey, James Caan, Dean Cain, Kirk Cameron, Jon Cryer, Stacey Dash, Robert Davi, Shannon Doherty, Robert Duvall, Clint Eastwood, Erik Estrada, Andy Garcia, Kelsey Grammer, Angie Harmon, Patricia Heaton, Lorenzo Lamas, Lindsay Lohan, Gerald McRaney, Chuck Norris, John O’Hurley, John Ratzenberger, Suzanne Somers, Kevin Sorbo, Tom Selleck, Gary Sinese, Tina Sloan, Sylvester Stallone, Janine Turner, Jon Voight, James Woods

Musicians and singers: Trace Adkins, Beach Boys, Alice Cooper, Charlie Daniels, Sara Evans, Lee Greenwood, Sammy Hagar, Taylor Hicks, Julianne Hough, 50 Cent, LL Cool J, Meat Loaf, Ronnie Milsap, Dave Mustaine (Megadeth), Wayne Newton, Ted Nugent, John Ondrasik, Donny and Marie Osmond, John Rich, Kid Rock, Randy Owen (Alabama), Joe Perry (Aerosmith), Gene Simmons (KISS), Cowboy Troy, Vanilla Ice, Brad Whitford, Hank Williams Jr., Gretchen Wilson, and Daddy Yankee.

[LTR]

41. Vanilla Ice? For Romney?

Now he's got ALL the has-beens!



And I don't believe for a minute that Hannity supports Johnson. He's too much of a GOP ass- kisser.

[Cha]

51. I know, huh? There were a couple of more in there that I questioned..

like Cindy Crawford. I remember she did some vid connected with mitt but later there was some discrepancy about whether she actually supported him..and it turns out "she's not politically aligned".. which seems a cop out.

She endorsed Obama in 2008, but appeared in a video for Romney's fundraising software ComMitt this year. Her team says she's “not politically aligned.” Meanwhile, Sarah Jessica Parker and Anna Wintour are firmly pro-Obama.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/annanorth/does-cindy-crawford-support-mitt-romney

I have trouble believing LL Cool J is voting for mitt romney.. just sayin

[LTR]

58. A few of those people are guilty by association

Mike Rowe was trotted out unwillingly at a Romney event, but has NOT supported him. I question a few others. I think a few are lumped in with Romney because they might jave said something nice about him at one time or another. Scott Hamilton? No offense, but he is perhaps the gayest straight man alive!

And I've heard from quite a few sources that ll Cool J is a Republican.

[Cha]

65. Yeah,I remember the Mike Rowe event. LL supported bush.. but,

here he is talking about how exciting it is to have a Black President.. I just found..

Who knows..maybe he wants to go back to his repub roots or maybe he'll vote for PBO?

[progressivebydesign]

46. Wow.. what a wretched bunch. Totally unimpressed with Mitt's celebs. yawn. nt

[vankuria]

86. Brad Whitford??

Couldn't be the guy from West Wing, he's a very vocal progressive liberal.

[Spirochete]

87. probably the other guitar player

from Aerosmith. Joe Perry's on the list.

[vankuria]

94. Okay, thanks!

Didn't know there was another Brad Whitford!

[LeftInTX]

35. Hannity, Gary Johnson. Really??

He's such a defense hawk

[teddy51]

23. A vote for a third party candidate is like a vote for Romney, and Nelson supports Johnson.

[Bradical79]

26. Oh, so you simply lied about Willie Nelson supporting Romney

[teddy51]

30. Nope, same difference... You support a third party, you support a Romney Presidency.

This country is based on a two party system, like it or not. Your pissed because President Obama does not support weed, oh well.

[liberal_at_heart]

32. fortunately name calling and intimidation does not stop 3rd party voters

from voting the way they want. That is the beauty of democracy.

[Separation]

40. LOL

If a person is truly voting for Gary Johnson they aren't taking a vote away from either party. I have two friends voting for Johnson, and I've said that a.) there pissing their vote away b.) since we live in Florida those votes count. They both said if Romney & Obama were the only two on the ballot, they just wouldn't vote or they would write some BS name in.

[teddy51]

45. Same difference if one is an Obama supporter. Yep, Obama has done things

that piss me off in the last four years but a choice between an Obama Presidency vs Romney is no contest.

[Hippo_Tron]

69. Why do you assume he'd support Obama over Romney if Johnson were not on the ballot?

The guy is pro-pot, anti-war, and has an abundance of problems with the IRS. Sounds like a libertarian to me.

[teddy51]

71. Huh? I don't assume he would support Obama and there in lyes the problem, especially

on this site; "Democratic" Underground. We do not support third party candidates here.

[Hippo_Tron]

72. I agree, I'm just saying your logic is flawed

A vote for Gary Johnson is not a vote for Romney if that person would vote for Romney if Gary Johnson were not on the ballot. That's actually a vote that helps Obama.

[antigone382]

92. Well when Willie Nelson gets on DU, we'll be sure he gets tombstoned.

Until then there is an ethical and ideological difference between supporting Gary Johnson and supporting Mitt Romney, and I'm going to respect it. Maybe when mainstream Democrats finally embrace reason and mercy on the drug war issue (or at the very least on marijuana), we'll get guys like Willie, for whom that matters a lot.

[Are_grits_groceries]

89. A vote for Johnson DOES NOT equal a vote for or support of Romney.

That is a false equivalence in your twee little mind.
You have NO idea how each individual might have voted without a libertarian on the ticket. That is complete hubris on your part and an insult to those casting votes for Johnson.

I suggest you take your mind reading act on the road and guess the age and weight of people for a dollar. You would probably be more accurate.

[Marrah_G]

99. That's a pretty warped kind of thinking

[crunch60]

29. Fudging on the truth are you, not a good thing.

[teddy51]

33. Read post #30.

[liberal_at_heart]

31. I completely understand why he voted for 3rd party

He wanted someone who would support the legalization of marijuana. I don't begrudge him that at all. Everyone votes for their own self interest and some voters are single issue voters. His self interest is the legalization of marijuana.

[BlueMan Votes]

38. from the repugs perspective, a vote for a third party is a vote for Obama...

so it all evens out as far as Willie is concerned.

sorry.

[H2O Man]

27. nonsense

& non-truth

[teddy51]

39. So what part is not true as far as you are concerned?

[Autumn]

28. Willie is NOT for Romney. What you are missing is the facts

Willie supports Gary Johnson. Clint Eastwood is just an empty mind talking to an empty chair.

[teddy51]

42. Willie supports Gary Johnson who has a snowballs chance in hell of

becoming President in this country under our two party system. It basically is a vote for Romney!

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

48. If he lives in Texas, it doesn't matter

Or California.

[teddy51]

52. And what does that have to do with price of tea in China anyway?

[antigone382]

93. If he votes for Obama in Texas, it won't make a difference.

The state will still go to Romney. He may as well vote for the guy who says he doesn't want to put Willie (or rather, poorer and less influential people who do what Willie does) in prison.

[Autumn]

96. He has the right to vote for whomever he wants.

[MrSlayer]

34. I doubt Willie Nelson is for Romney.

Clint has always been a Republican though, so that's no surprise.

[kiva]

36. Please edit your post re: Willy.

There's no reason to have incorrect information in an OP - a lot of people don't read the comments.

[teddy51]

43. Not happening! Cause the info is correct.

[kiva]

47. No, but obviously facts do not matter to you.

[teddy51]

50. And what facts might those be? First of all third party candidates are not welcome on

this site and support for them is frowned on. President Obama needs to win this election, and a vote for a third party candidate is certainly not helpful.

[kiva]

54. Words have meaning, and you don't get to change the meanings.

”WTF... Can someone please explain to me, how a Willie Nelson and a Clint Eastwood can be for a Romney?”

“A vote for a third party candidate is like a vote for Romney”

Not the same thing. You can complain that Nelson is voting for a third party candidate, you can say you think it hurt the Democrats, but saying that Nelson is "for" Romney is not true.

[teddy51]

55. Yes I can mince the difference, because it means exactly the same thing in an election

that means the difference between a Democratic Society or a Mitt Romney world. Again, a vote for a third party in a critical election like this is a vote for the opposition.

[Autumn]

97. If Willie is a member of DU and advocated for a third party

then your post would make sense, but I haven't seen Willie Nelson on DU stumping for a third party.

[LTR]

44. Willie has always been left-to-libertarian

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But mostly just independent.

Was a big Jimmy Carter supporter, and even slept in the White House (and got high on the roof). In '92 I remember him supporting Perot (as did other left-leaning celebs like Cher). Him supporting Gary Johnson sounds about right. Romney? No way!

[quinnox]

56. Damn, after being taken to the woodshed for the false headline, you doubled and tripled down

very bad form.

[teddy51]

57. How so? He supports a Romney Presidency by supporting someone that can't give

any support to our current President.

[liberal_at_heart]

60. you're using republican reasoning

They tell people if you're not against gay marriage and abortion then you're not Christian. They tell people if you're not for giving tax cuts to the rich and spending cuts to the poor then you're communist. None of those are true. Just as it is not true that because Willie is voting for Johnson that means he supports Romney.

[teddy51]

61. Bullshit to you, I am much more of a Progressive Liberal than you obviously

are. My OP stands as is, and I believe that anyone that supports a third party candidate is a liability to this election.

[liberal_at_heart]

62. okay

[onenote]

68. and over on the right wing:

I'm sure folks are making the exact same argument: that by voting for Johnson and not for Romney, Willie is helping get President Obama re-elected.

[teddy51]

70. And your point is?

[onenote]

75. That your "logic" doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

[teddy51]

78. I personally have one goal in mind, and that is to make certain that we are not

faced with 4 years (possibly) 8 years of a Mitt Romney in the WH. I really don't give a crap if Willie is pissed off with respect to President Obama's MJ laws. Move to WA State (where MJ will probably be legalized), hey I live there.

[onenote]

95. I have the same goal

and I would have been happier if Willie Nelson endorsed the President. But I'm not prepared to twist facts to claim that his support of Johnson constituted an "endorsement" of Romney when the reality is that it helped or hurt both Romney and the President in equal measure. Even if it is true that it "hurt" the President because every vote not cast for the President is a negative the fact is that it "hurt" Romney in exactly the same way and thus is not "being for (a phrase that suggests an affirmative declaration of support) Romney.

[Marrah_G]

101. LOL

[quinnox]

64. If the Ministry of Truth ever does come into existence, you will be a great candidate for them

as a potential employee, with that type of reasoning.

[sabrina 1]

90. How about Hannity? Do you think if he wasn't voting for Johnson he'd

be voting for Obama? How is taking a vote from Obama?

[Marrah_G]

100. Your view on this is really messed up

Just because supports and is voting for a third party does not mean they then by default support one of the two main candidates.

[hootinholler]

59. Willie :rofl: fucking :rofl: Nelson? :ROFL:

Good one!

[jonthebru]

63. I really really doubt

that Willie Nelson is in support of Rmoney in any manner.

[NoPasaran]

66. Let's not forget: Libertarianism is a horrible ideology

Basically modern republicanism with a little less Bible-thumping and a little more reefer.

[Hippo_Tron]

73. Not shilling for Gary Johnson, but as far as libertarians go, he's not an ideologue

I remember him discussing his flat tax proposal and then saying at the end of explaining it he said...

"Now I fully understand why some think that this might be unfair to low-income people. I would love to work with them to make adjustments to make it more fair to those on the lower end."

Now obviously I think the flat tax is a really fucking stupid idea to begin with and no amount of adjusting is going to fix that. But Johnson's position is way more reasonable than the Ron Paul purists who think that even the slightest bit of progressive taxation is evil. And it sure as hell shows more compassion for poor people than Romney and the Republicans (though, that isn't hard to do).

[Bucky]

74. And Jane Fonda's endorsement of Romney is a total mystery to me. WTF, Jane?

It's probably Gloria Steinem's influence on her, I'm guessing.

[quinnox]

76. lol

My favorite part of the OP is how he asks the false question seriously and seems to be flabbergasted about it, and then he remained quiet throughout the thread, and only revealed and admitted his deception when someone else finally exposed it.


If no one had corrected the OP, apparently he would have been fine giving the false impression that Nelson was supporting Romney. That is a Romulan level of deception!

[rad51]

77. I feel sorry for anyone who lets a celebrity endorsement sway their vote.

[teddy51]

79. Say What? Lol Go away!

[rad51]

84. Care to explain why you're being rude to me?

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I'd also love to hear the thought process behind "lol go away".

[Marrah_G]

102. He seems to be doubling down on the rude today

Perhaps its a last ditch attempt to piss people off enough at him that it will carry over to his supposed favorite candidate. But, as you can see, most of DU is laughing at him instead.

[HiPointDem]

80. I don't believe Nelson is endorsing Romney. Either you got the story wrong, or someone is

spreading false rumors and you bought it.

[teddy51]

81. Where did I say that Nelson was endorsing Romney?

[tkmorris]

83. Try this bit right here

"Can someone please explain to me, how a Willie Nelson and
a Clint Eastwood can be for a Romney?"

You asked how Willie Nelson can be for Romney. He isn't. So there you go.

And you're welcome.

[JVS]

88. Does "a Willie Nelson" = "the Willie Nelson"?

[union_maid]

91. All third party votes are not equal

It would be nice if Willie Nelson supported Obama, and I actually understand your anger that he doesn't put aside his own personal issues to support the person who'd be best for the vast majority of the country. I personally think that rather than voting third party in any presidential election, no matter who you prefer, your time would be more productively spent cleaning out your basement or something. But it is not the same as a Nader vote in 2000. Overall, if Johnson has any effect at all, which I doubt, it would be to take votes away from Romney. Nader and other similar candidates would most likely divert the vast majority of their votes from the Democratic candidate.

[lonestarnot]

103. Quit spreading lies over here. Willy is not supporting a mittwitt!

[appacom]

104. Please close this thread, I'm too nervous for doomsday jokes today