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LetMyPeopleVote

(144,890 posts)
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 09:13 AM Sep 2022

Judge dismisses Trump lawsuit against Clinton over 2016 Russia allegations

This is the long lawsuit filed by two shopping center lawyers representing TFG against Hillary Clinton and large number of other people such as Comey, Perter Struck and others. No top tier law firm would touch this lawsuit. One of of the defenses to the statute of limitations defense was that TFG was too busy being POTUS to file this lawsuit




https://news.yahoo.com/judge-dismisses-trump-lawsuit-against-124420268.html

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. judge has dismissed Donald Trump's lawsuit against his 2016 rival Hillary Clinton, saying the former Republican president's allegations that Democrats tried to rig that election by linking his campaign to Russia was an attempt to "flaunt" political grievances that did not belong in court.

In throwing out Trump's lawsuit Thursday night, Judge Donald Middlebrooks of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida said the lawsuit was not seeking "redress for any legal harm" and that the court was "not the appropriate forum" for the former president's complaints.

"He is seeking to flaunt a two-hundred-page political manifesto outlining his grievances against those that have opposed him," Middlebrooks said in his ruling.

Trump in March had sued Clinton, who was the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee, and several other Democrats alleging "racketeering," a "conspiracy to commit injurious falsehood" and other claims in a 108-page lawsuit that echoed the long list of grievances he repeatedly aired during his four years in the White House after beating Clinton.

He had sought compensatory and punitive damages, saying he had incurred more than $24 million in "defense costs, legal fees, and related expenses."

In his ruling, Middlebrooks said Trump had waited too long to file his complaint by exceeding the legal statute of limitations for his claims and that he failed to make his case that he was harmed by any falsehoods, noting that many of the statements made by the defendants were "plainly protected by the First Amendment" of the U.S. Constitution.

The opinion is 65 pages but is a fun read. The judge had fun telling TFG's shopping center lawyes that they re idiots
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Judge dismisses Trump lawsuit against Clinton over 2016 Russia allegations (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2022 OP
Here is the link to the Judge's decision for those interested Bev54 Sep 2022 #1
Judge throws out Trump's RICO lawsuit against Hillary Clinton and Democrats LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2022 #2
Oh. My. God. This opinion should be required reading in every civil procedure class Ocelot II Sep 2022 #3
TFG wastes a lot of court time treestar Sep 2022 #4
In this lawsuit TFG was claiming economic injuries, regardless of the fact that he won. Ocelot II Sep 2022 #5
Be hard to imagine the economic injuries treestar Sep 2022 #11
And he's used it quite successfully for fund-raising. Ocelot II Sep 2022 #12
I also enjoyed reading this opinion LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2022 #8
"Political Manifesto" makes him sound like the Unabomber Hekate Sep 2022 #15
There must be scorch marks on that response from the thundering speed of the judge's typing Hekate Sep 2022 #16
"Not the appropriate forum" gratuitous Sep 2022 #6
Dumbass gets slapped down again. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2022 #7
Gonna take a while to read this, but the teasers posted by Ocelot II, above, are irresistable. Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2022 #9
Trump presented his Russia hoax theory to a court. It went poorly. LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2022 #10
For this thread LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2022 #13
Donald Trump's failed lawsuit against Hillary Clinton could get his lawyers in trouble LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2022 #14
Great news! Hillary just got the last word on Trump again... LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2022 #17

LetMyPeopleVote

(144,890 posts)
2. Judge throws out Trump's RICO lawsuit against Hillary Clinton and Democrats
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 10:50 AM
Sep 2022

This makes me smile



https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/09/politics/judge-throws-out-trumps-rico-lawsuit-against-hillary-clinton-and-democrats/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_content=2022-09-09T13%3A55%3A04&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twCNNp

A federal judge has dismissed former President Donald Trump's lawsuit against Hillary Clinton, the Democratic National Committee and more than two dozen other people and entities that he claims conspired to undermine his 2016 campaign by trying to vilify him with fabricated information tying him to Russia.

US District Judge Donald Middlebrooks dismissed the lawsuit Thursday, saying "most of Plaintiff's claims are not only unsupported by any legal authority but plainly foreclosed by binding precedent."
Trump filed his sprawling lawsuit in March, naming a wide cast of characters that Trump has accused for years of orchestrating a "deep state" conspiracy against him -- including former FBI Director James Comey and other FBI officials, the retired British spy Christopher Steele and his associates, and a handful of Clinton campaign advisers.

CNN has reached out to Trump attorney Alina Habba for comment.

This is a breaking story and will be updated.

Ocelot II

(115,576 posts)
3. Oh. My. God. This opinion should be required reading in every civil procedure class
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 11:09 AM
Sep 2022

in every law school in the country. I believe one of TFG's Lawyer Barbies, Alina Habba, was responsible for the dog's breakfast of a complaint, and she was righteously whacked upside the head. Even TFG's other incompetent lawyers think Habba is incompetent. https://www.thedailybeast.com/alina-habba-the-trump-lawyer-the-rest-of-trumps-legal-team-loathes

A few gems from the opinion:

What the Amended Complaint lacks in substance and legal support it seeks to substitute with length, hyperbole, and the settling of scores and grievances.


Plaintiff’s Amended Complaint is a quintessential shotgun pleading, and “[c]ourts in the Eleventh Circuit have little tolerance for shotgun pleadings.” Vibe Micro, Inc. v. Shabanets, 878 F.3d 1291, 1295 (11th Cir. 2018). Such pleadings waste judicial resources and are an unacceptable form of establishing a claim for relief.


To say that Plaintiff’s 193-page, 819-paragraph Amended Complaint is excessive in length would be putting things mildly. And to make matters worse, the Amended Complaint commits the “mortal sin” of incorporating by reference into every count all the general allegations and all the allegations of the preceding counts.


Perplexingly, Plaintiff appears to argue that the Defendants obstructed investigation Crossfire Hurricane by contributing to the initiation of Crossfire Hurricane. That Defendants could have obstructed a proceeding by initiating it defies logic.


Notably absent from the Amended Complaint, though, is any allegation that any Defendant interfered with law enforcement with respect to the commission or possible commission of any federal offense. Plaintiff endeavors to significantly broaden this provision to criminalize the dissemination of any purportedly misleading information, regardless of any connection to some federal offense.


The federal wire fraud statute prohibits “only deceptive schemes to deprive the victim of money or property”—not “all acts of dishonesty.” Id. With this predicate act, Plaintiff tries to fit a square peg into a round hole. The alleged harm Plaintiff describes to his “political and/or business reputation” is not the type of harm the wire fraud statute remediates.


Plaintiff offers nothing plausible in support to suggest that Defendants had an illegal purpose or an intent to commit racketeering acts. These allegations fail for the same reasons the conclusory allegations of discrimination failed in Iqbal: they are “an unadorned, the-defendant-unlawfully-harmed-me accusation.” Iqbal, 556 U.S. at 678. Moreover, neither politically opposing Plaintiff, disliking Plaintiff, nor engaging in political speech about Plaintiff that casts him in a negative light is illegal. Without an illegal purpose plausibly alleged in the Amended Complaint, Plaintiff has failed to allege a RICO enterprise.


Moreover, many of the statements that Plaintiff characterizes as injurious falsehoods qualify as speech plainly protected by the First Amendment. Some are statements of opinion based upon Plaintiff’s four years in office... Because Plaintiff has failed to allege the essential elements of an injurious falsehood claim, this count must be dismissed. And as for Count IV, the conspiracy allegations are formulaic, conclusory, and implausible. Moreover, “the gist of a civil action for conspiracy is not conspir[ing] itself but the civil wrong which is done pursuant to the conspiracy and which results in damage to the plaintiff.” ..Without the underlying injurious falsehood claim, there can be no conspiracy to commit injurious falsehood.


In Count V, Plaintiff sues: his own Deputy Attorney General, Rod Rosenstein; formerDirector at the FBI, James Comey; former Deputy Director of the FBI, Andrew McCabe; lawyers for the FBI, Kevin Clinesmith and Lisa Page; an official with the Department of Justice, Bruce Ohr, and his wife Nellie Ohr; and an FBI agent, Peter Stzok, for malicious prosecution. But Plaintiff was never prosecuted... An Inspector General Report specifically explained that the investigation was not predicated on DNC information or the Steele Dossier, but on a tip from a friendly foreign government. Of course, Plaintiff is free to disagree with the conclusions of the Inspector General’s Report. But, as I have already cautioned, he may not misrepresent it in a pleading, and he certainly may not misconstrue it in an attempt to offer support for this ill-fated claim.


Count X reflects the high-water mark of shotgun pleading and is accordingly dismissed. And it is dismissed with prejudice, as none of the underlying claims survive for which, even if properly plead, Defendant Clinton could be held liable under an agency theory.


It is true that under Rule 15 “[t]he court should freely give leave when justice so requires.” Fed. R. Civ. P. 15(a)(2). But a district court need not allow amendment “where amendment would be futile.” Bryant v. Dupree, 252 F.3d 1161, 1163 (11th Cir. 2001). It is not simply that I find the Amended Complaint “inadequate in any respect”; it is inadequate in nearly every respect.


Defendants presented substantively identical arguments in support of dismissal in the earlier round
of briefing on Plaintiff’s original Complaint. But despite this briefing, Plaintiff’s Amended Complaint failed to cure any of the deficiencies. Instead, Plaintiff added eighty new pages of largely irrelevant allegations that did nothing to salvage the legal sufficiency of his claims. The inadequacies with Plaintiff’s Amended Complaint are not “merely issues of technical pleading,” as Plaintiff contends, but fatal substantive defects that preclude Plaintiff from proceeding under any of the theories he
has presented. At its core, the problem with Plaintiff’s Amended Complaint is that Plaintiff is not attempting to seek redress for any legal harm; instead, he is seeking to flaunt a two-hundred-page political manifesto outlining his grievances against those that have opposed him, and this Court is not the appropriate forum.


https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.610157/gov.uscourts.flsd.610157.267.0.pdf



If any lawyer ever deserved crushing Rule 11 sanctions it's Alina Habba. Wadda maroon.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
4. TFG wastes a lot of court time
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 11:27 AM
Sep 2022

and it is moot, since he defeated Hillary in the election.

TFG thinks the courts will support his narcissistic injuries and he is wrong.

Ocelot II

(115,576 posts)
5. In this lawsuit TFG was claiming economic injuries, regardless of the fact that he won.
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 11:36 AM
Sep 2022

And the judge correctly understood that he was using his legal claims as an airing of grievances.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
11. Be hard to imagine the economic injuries
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 03:57 PM
Sep 2022

TFG doesn't realize that undermines his claim to be the toughest and smartest, too. If he can have an economic injury from the other side in a political campaign. But he's got to play victim. It's what he does.

LetMyPeopleVote

(144,890 posts)
8. I also enjoyed reading this opinion
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 12:57 PM
Sep 2022

I tried to read the original petition when this lawsuit was filed and gave up. Again, TFG could only find two lawyers whose office are in shopping centers to file this lawsuit. When you use crappy lawyers, you get crappy work.

I was glad to see that the Judge left open the issue of sanctions against these attorneys and TFG

Hekate

(90,537 posts)
16. There must be scorch marks on that response from the thundering speed of the judge's typing
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 03:03 AM
Sep 2022

So I imagine.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
6. "Not the appropriate forum"
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 11:56 AM
Sep 2022

What would be the appropriate forum? I'm thinking "after school by the monkey bars."

LetMyPeopleVote

(144,890 posts)
10. Trump presented his Russia hoax theory to a court. It went poorly.
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 01:56 PM
Sep 2022

TFG has been pushing the bizarre theory that Russia never tried to influence the 2016 election. This theory has no basis in reality, but TFG cannot accept the concept that he did not win 2016 on his own merits. It is clear that in the real world, Putin got TFG elected and TFG cannot accept reality

The lawsuit against Hillary Clinton, the Clinton campaign and 30+ defendants was so bad that it was impossible to read. Again, this lawsuit was drafted by two lawyers whose offices are in shopping centers and these idiots just put down TFG's craze ravings as facts. i loved the opinion that came down today that rejected TFG's crazed beliefs about Russian and the 2016 election.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/09/trump-2016-russia-clinton/

One of the hallmarks of Donald Trump’s tenure in American politics has been the extent to which he remained cocooned in his own world.....

And then, earlier this year, a change. Trump proudly removed his Russia theory from its home and presented it to the court, like a kid digging up a dandelion he’d been watching in his yard and offering it as a horticulture contender at the state fair. The verdict, offered in a filing on Thursday, was probably not what Trump would have hoped.

Suffice it to say, he did not earn a blue ribbon.

The background here is interesting, by the way. Trump presented his grand Russia hoax conspiracy in the form of a lawsuit, alleging that Hillary Clinton and others — FBI officials, attorneys, IT guys — had conspired against him in violation of racketeering statutes (a.k.a. RICO). The suit was filed in a specific courthouse in the Southern District of Florida, apparently with the hope that it would be heard by a particular judge that Trump himself had appointed......

In short, the theory that flourished in Trump’s friendly ecosystem was that the Russia probe was a function of explicit dishonesty on the part of Clinton: that her allies sought to create a dossier of false reports about Trump and Russia and that they used stolen data to suggest a link between Trump’s business and a Russian bank......

The judge made very clear that he understood Trump’s suit for what it obviously is.

“At its core, the problem with Plaintiff’s Amended Complaint is that Plaintiff is not attempting to seek redress for any legal harm,” he wrote. “ … instead, he is seeking to flaunt a two-hundred-page political manifesto outlining his grievances against those that have opposed him, and this Court is not the appropriate forum.”


TFG's had no facts to support his claims and the court had no problem rejecting TFG's rants. Now it is time to sanction TFG and his shopping center lawyers for wasting the court's time on TFG's bizarre theory

LetMyPeopleVote

(144,890 posts)
14. Donald Trump's failed lawsuit against Hillary Clinton could get his lawyers in trouble
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 01:41 AM
Sep 2022

TFG can not get top tier firms to take his cases. This lawsuit was filed by two lawyers who office in shopping centers. I read the original petition and it was dreck. This lawsuit was so bad that the attorneys who filed it are looking at sanctions



https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/how-do-donald-trump-s-lawsuits-keep-getting-crazier-n1298841?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma

Donald Trump lost in his fight against Hillary Clinton. No, this is not the opening scene of an alternative reality show in which the audience steps back in time and Clinton wins the 2016 presidential election. It is the final scene of a fight that ended Thursday when federal Judge Donald Middlebrooks threw out a lawsuit former President Trump filed against former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, calling Trump’s filing “difficult to summarize in a concise and cohesive manner.” In fact, that was perhaps the kindest thing one can say about Trump’s lawsuit......

Middlebrooks’ damning assessment of the filing is the federal judicial equivalent of a teacher grading a student’s paper with the remark, “I don’t even know what you’re saying and I can’t believe you made me read it.”

In lieu of winning legal arguments, Trump likes to make political arguments in court. He must believe it gives his preposterous lies the veneer of legitimacy to make them there. But just like his post-election litigation strategy, Trump’s suit against Clinton was always doomed to fail because it was supported by neither law nor facts. Middlebrooks correctly noted that Trump’s suit read as a “political manifesto outlining his grievances against those that have opposed him,” rather than a proper court filing......

Possessing neither a coherent legal theory nor facts to support such a theory is fatal to a legal case. Trump must have known this. And yet he brought the case anyway. Because shouting on a website or a faux campaign rally is one thing, but shouting in a courtroom can still give the imprimatur of legitimacy. Judge Middlebrooks, luckily, was having none of this nonsense. And neither should we.

The only people who should potentially face legal repercussions from his suit are the ones who filed it. Attorneys are bound by rules of professional conduct which prohibit them from filing frivolous suits, including political manifestos. Judge Middlebrooks appeared to find as much when he noted that lawyers must certify to the court that, to the best of their knowledge, the claims they are making are “warranted by existing law or by a nonfrivolous argument” to change the law and that “the factual contentions have evidentiary support[.]”
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