The queen and the colonies..... my 2 cents.

[3Hotdogs]

Start off with, the largest percentage of my DNA - 23 and me, is Irish. I don't know who my Irish ancestors were, where they came from or when they got here and under what circumstances. I had an uncle who looked like James Cagney. My father was described as a short (5'5&quot John Wayne. He did look like John Wayne

Mom, 1/3 Irish decent, was, based on earlier photos, damn good looking. Inspired by Donald, If she wasn't my mother and I was 60 -- we'll leave that alone and go on to the subject. Me? I an't too good looking and that was tough shit for me when it came to dating. Oh well. I still ain't good looking.


The only information I have about Irish relations with England comes from movies and TV. I never sent money to the I.R.A. I don't have either an Irish or Italian flag to fly from my porch. But I saw the news broadcasts of the Belfast uprisings and repression. I knew about Bobby Sands, the treatment of Catholics (I am an atheist), the prisons, The Marching Season, July 12th. and so forth.

These things happened during my lifetime. They happened during the lifetime and reign of E II.... and as far as we know, she did nothing about any of it.

So we get told, there was nothing she could do about it anyway. You see, she has a job and the job requires her to keep her mouth shut. And for keeping her mouth shut, she gets castles, limo's,hefs, servants and more money than most of us will ever see in our lifetimes. And all of this is on the taxpayers' dime. Yeah, they gotta leave the castles and shake hands with the commons a couple'a times a year but the wore gloves so as not to touch 'em.

So....

Just keep your mouth shut. Do what's best or the nation and for "the firm." As much as what's going on, sucks, just keep your mouth shut and keep the money, position and the power intact.

The thing is, she was Queen, but she was also human. Did she never have any bad feelings about what was done In Her Name? If she did, we don't know about it.

Funny thing. This is close to the same situation with our Republican leadership. Trump sucks. We know he sucks. They know he sucks
but to keep the money, position and power intact, they say nothing about OrangeAnus or the Magaloons. They know. A couple of them may be true believers. I have more respect for them than the ones who know better but choose to prostitute themselves.

So we excuse the queen, just as we will probably excuse Charles. Except Charles is not warm and fuzzy like E II, so maybe not.

But the question remains: If she had spoken out about Ireland, Brexit or whatever her government did in her name, would it have made a difference? I believe it would have. Was she and are the Republicans immoral?

And thus safety 3H in his weekly, Sunday night musings.

[JI7]

1. Bad comparison . Also who was the PRime minister when these bad things you talk about happened ?

who were the foreign ministers and other people ?

The queen was born into the role . You have to consider where she came from. She wasn't just born into a regular life with freedoms that many have .

[3Hotdogs]

2. Consider where she came from? Wrong.

They are not automatons in Disney World, sitting next to the Abe Lincoln robot....

They are humans. They have responsibility to act as moral humans... this, especially because of their position.

[JI7]

3. What position ? It's to be display pieces for tourists . Not really something I would want

Who are the Prime Ministers and other officials ? They are the ones who make decisions with the country .

[3Hotdogs]

5. So you think, if she went on BBC, after an episode of Jonathan Pie and told people that what is

going on is a disgrace to me, my nation and you my people, nobody would care? Nobody would listen to a word she said?

And yes, although I've never been to Ireland, I made several tourist trips to England and enjoyed it and the people.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

4. All four of my grandparents came from Ireland.

When I was a little girl, the elderly aunts would look at me and say, "Ahh, she has the map of Ireland on her face." But I grew up in this country with people from all over, even if we are only talking Europeans. Then I went to Ireland and I got it. Every single person I saw looked exactly like my brothers and sisters and cousins.

My mother's mother left Ireland at age 16 and went to work in England in domestic service. The woman she worked for strongly encouraged her to go to America, telling her she'd have a much better life there. So I have never felt animosity towards the English, given my grandmother's experience.

[No Vested Interest]

6. One third Irish here, from paternal side, so I did hear about Irish troubles

and British mistreatment, plus I have a lifelong interest in history.
I was never particularly interested in the British royalty, just as part of everyday "celebrity" news.

My hope is that with Elizabeth 11 gone, a number of the Commonwealth countries will declare complete independence. Scotland, and others.
Northern Ireland should be united with the Irish Republic, as God intended it to be.
It's okay if it takes a few years for these to come to pass.

[Joinfortmill]

7. Your points are well taken, but she is also beloved...

It's complicated.

[3Hotdogs]

8. Yes. I liked her.

I admired her pledge to the British people and I believe she honored that as she understood it to be.

She became more 'human" after the death of Diana. After than, she began to have more meet-and-greets with the common people. As I recall, she would have them at Windsor. Maybe 30 people would stand on the court's lawn and she would walk from person to person and spend two minutes with each one.

I often wondered what babbling would come out of my mouth if I was one of those people, for my two minutes.

But, for instance, remember the old gent who raised Covid money by walking circles in his back yard? She invited him for an audience. And Paddington Bear and James Bond were wonderful.

[Joinfortmill]

9. 👍

[Leith]

10. My favorite story about someone who met the queen

This is Julian Clary and he's clever, witty, and downright charming.