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applegrove

(118,778 posts)
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 06:48 PM Sep 2022

What I think Lindsey Graham is up to with his 15-week abortion ban

What I think Lindsey Graham is up to with his 15-week abortion ban

Chris Cillizza, The Point (email)


"SNIP......

On Tuesday, South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham introduced a bill that would ban abortion nationally after 15 weeks, with exceptions for rape, incest and when the life of the mother is in danger.

Which leads to an obvious question: Why?

After all, Republicans have been desperately back-pedaling on abortion almost since the moment that the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade this summer, ending the constitutional right to an abortion. 

GOP candidates have been busy scrubbing their websites of their more strident language on abortion, which, in many cases, helped them win their primaries, as they see the political blowback in the general electorate.

Recent polling suggests that while public opinion is more split on a 15-week ban compared to the court's overturning of Roe, which is broadly unpopular, a majority of Americans still opposes the limit Graham is proposing.

.....SNIP"

I can't cut and paste the salient part. Cillizza is saying the Lindsey 15 week bill gives Republicans a talking point that is not a complete ban so they will not get so hammered by the abortion issue.

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What I think Lindsey Graham is up to with his 15-week abortion ban (Original Post) applegrove Sep 2022 OP
So why? MiniMe Sep 2022 #1
It takes me a few minutes to get the whole thing up. I could not cut and paste the answer so I added applegrove Sep 2022 #2
No problem MiniMe Sep 2022 #3
Link underpants Sep 2022 #12
Thanks. applegrove Sep 2022 #20
The first trimester was what was protected under Roe. Frasier Balzov Sep 2022 #4
It's obvious they're losing women and think they will buy this bandaid. live love laugh Sep 2022 #5
it's a ban after 15 weeks...but does it provide for choice prior to 15 weeks in every state? nt wiggs Sep 2022 #6
nope...looks like it leaves in place stricter state bans. So it's a ban, doesn't allow for any more wiggs Sep 2022 #7
Yep it's a ceiling instead of a floor (which is what fed rules are supposed to act as) Volaris Sep 2022 #8
I can't think of a single thing Chris Cillizza has ever been right about. emulatorloo Sep 2022 #9
His breakdowns on Trump speeches were pretty good underpants Sep 2022 #11
Thanks for the heads up on analysis of Trump speeches. I didn't see those. emulatorloo Sep 2022 #16
It is a NATIONAL ban for an issue they have said is a STATES RIGHTS one for decades ZonkerHarris Sep 2022 #10
Exactly! Andy823 Sep 2022 #21
Oh.... look..... a flying saucer! Turbineguy Sep 2022 #13
😆😆😆 underpants Sep 2022 #15
LINK underpants Sep 2022 #14
Weeks; Shmeeks. Federal; State. MOMFUDSKI Sep 2022 #17
Just remind everyone BlueIdaho Sep 2022 #18
Public support for abortion rapidly declines after madville Sep 2022 #19
Political suicide, I devoutly hope Hekate Sep 2022 #22
Marching orders from the golfing date with no clubs. All of them got their orders there. nt Hotler Sep 2022 #23

applegrove

(118,778 posts)
2. It takes me a few minutes to get the whole thing up. I could not cut and paste the answer so I added
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 06:54 PM
Sep 2022

my summary at the bottom. It is a free email, no link. I am on my cell phone. Sorry. Applegrove

Frasier Balzov

(2,668 posts)
4. The first trimester was what was protected under Roe.
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 07:01 PM
Sep 2022

It looks as though being able to say he favors codifying the Roe standard is supposed to put Democrats back on our heels.

Democrats have a more radical stance, Graham will say, and it is revealed by his calling our bluff and our responding with it's not good enough.

wiggs

(7,817 posts)
7. nope...looks like it leaves in place stricter state bans. So it's a ban, doesn't allow for any more
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 07:08 PM
Sep 2022

choice than already exists.

Volaris

(10,274 posts)
8. Yep it's a ceiling instead of a floor (which is what fed rules are supposed to act as)
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 07:12 PM
Sep 2022

It's rhe very OPPOSITE of Good Legislation.

underpants

(182,879 posts)
11. His breakdowns on Trump speeches were pretty good
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 07:23 PM
Sep 2022

But other than that he’s both sides whataboutism don’t be late for the cocktail/steak dinner party type.

emulatorloo

(44,182 posts)
16. Thanks for the heads up on analysis of Trump speeches. I didn't see those.
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 07:32 PM
Sep 2022

Yeah the Whataboutism is why I gave up on him long ago.

ZonkerHarris

(24,254 posts)
10. It is a NATIONAL ban for an issue they have said is a STATES RIGHTS one for decades
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 07:18 PM
Sep 2022

Repeat after me

"Republicans in Congress want to pass a law banning abortion NATIONWIDE!"

Thats the talking point
Period.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
21. Exactly!
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 08:12 PM
Sep 2022

They can come up with all kinds of BS, in the long run if they get the chance they WILL, as you have stated, ban abortion nationwide.

Never trust them, they lie just as much as their fearless lead trump does!

MOMFUDSKI

(5,639 posts)
17. Weeks; Shmeeks. Federal; State.
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 07:54 PM
Sep 2022

Bottom line is the rethugs are fucking with 51% of the population's human rights. They have way overstepped their bounds. See y'all in Roevember.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
18. Just remind everyone
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 07:57 PM
Sep 2022

He is a MAGA fascist and he’s against abortion - period. Let him try to squirm out of that.

madville

(7,412 posts)
19. Public support for abortion rapidly declines after
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 08:03 PM
Sep 2022

The first trimester. From 538, 60% support abortion being available during the first trimester while only 28% support it being legal after that in the second trimester.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/where-americans-stand-on-abortion-in-5-charts/

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