DeSantis vs. Newsom in 2024?

[CTyankee]

Somebody on Facebook asked that question today.

So I thought I'd check in here for your thoughts...

[OLDMDDEM]

2. Newsom would win.

[CTyankee]

7. I think there might be a big push for a woman on the ticket.

I'm not sure Kamala is our best shot, tho. I like her myself but she has doubters from her past role in CA. Nut sure why, though (other than she is a woman, of course, the usual)...

[OLDMDDEM]

9. Interesting

I like Kamala, but I do not think she would win as a presidential candidate.

[Septua]

17. ..not sure Kamala is our best shot...

Nor I. She hasn't shown me enough 'presidential charisma' so far. But the VP position isn't really a training ground to be the President.

[gab13by13]

3. Magats want us to talk about 2024

since the 2022 election is the most important election for our democracy. One election at a time.

[Eliot Rosewater]

4. I love Joe, but if he decides to do something like this, I think Gavin would win easily.

[Demsrule86]

23. Have you looked at the electoral map? Newsom would not win.

[getagrip_already]

5. we have a candidate in '24... better Q: Desantos vs tfg n/t

[calguy]

6. Vary possible, if Joe decides not run

Newsome definitely has presidential ambitions with the way he's been trolling Abbott and DeSantis.
Not sure about Newsome's appeal nationally. He's said some things in the past that made me cringe.
But then, who knew Obama would have the national appeal he did when he first came on the scene.

[CTyankee]

8. Abbot and DeSantis are "lovely" targets, don't you think? What is NOT to hate with them?

[calguy]

34. They certainly are the best targets and I applaud Newome for attacking them

My point is that Newsome would not be well received in many swing states in the east and Midwest.

My opinion only and please let me be wrong should he decide to run and win the nomination.

[Amishman]

10. Newsom would not be competitive in PA

Major CA stigma and baggage

[Retrograde]

11. or many places east of the Sierras

I plan to vote for him again this November, but I think he brings too much baggage with him (including having been married to Kimberley Guillifoyle or however she spells her name).

[Just A Box Of Rain]

12. We have elections to win in 2022 and this is a distraction.

Beside, Joe Biden will our candidate in 2024 (an thank goodness for that).

[DinahMoeHum]

13. TRASHED. We're getting ahead of ourselves here.

Let's worry about the 2022 elections first, then the 2023 elections (local offices predominate), then 2024 afterwards.

[DFW]

14. While everyone knows no good streak lasts for long in politics............

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Joe Biden is on such a roll now that even CNN and Fox are having difficulties saying the opposite.

Yes, it will all come to a crashing end. MAYBE. Any maybe not. He has shown himself to be pretty nimble on the chessboard of DC politics, dancing rings around Republicans 10, 20, 30, and 40 years younger than he is. "Sleepy Joe" wasn't sleeping. Like a sly predator, he was keeping the slits of eyes open, waiting for the right moment to strike.

And keeping Mayor Pete at the ready to politely (and thus, devastatingly) demolish Republican lies and stupidities, what a brilliant move!

If Biden runs again, and if Harris wants to stay on as VP, it's hers. If (and ONLY if) she wants to do something else, I think Buttigieg has shown that he is every bit as sly as Joe Biden, and he is a VERY fast learner. The Republican God Squad will go nuts, but they'd go nuts if the Democrats nominated Tommy Tuberville. Write them off.

[Hekate]

25. What you said!

[Pathwalker]

28. +a million!!!

[Septua]

15. I like Newsom.

He comes across as sincere and sensical, as Obama always did for me. And I can't think of anyone else at the moment who is better suited. But, and I don't really know how progressive he is, it may be too much for some?

I don't have any argument with progressive politics, just believe moderate Democrats are more electable. If the country was 75-80% progressive, it might work but it ain't.

Biden was the only candidate who could beat Trump but both of 'em will be too old in 2024 IMO.

[Hekate]

29. Newsom is very progressive & he's doing well by California.

Looking at the criticisms in this thread, I say I’d rather keep him here.

[Easterncedar]

16. Newsom lost me

Too many stories of his breaking Covid rules, and the pics of him with Guilfoyle are just creepy. Glad he’s creatively dissing DeSantis, but I don’t see his good character as much as I see his ambition.

[Initech]

18. Newsom lost points with me when I found out he dated Guilfoyle.

But that wouldn't stop me from voting for him. He'd mop the floor with Desantis!

[Hekate]

27. Guilfoyle is his EX-WIFE. He's been remarried for years and has children with his WIFE.

[Initech]

31. Oh really? Ew...

I can see why they're divorced then.

[Hekate]

26. When was the last picture of him taken with his EX-WIFE?

ffs

[Easterncedar]

38. Character has to count

And how they presented themselves was revealing. I trust we will have a better candidate. We have to win in this election first, though. All together.
Peace

[Hekate]

40. I never even heard of his ex-wife until after he ran for governor. Are you a Californian?

If not, you and the other several critics seem remarkably unaware of what the guv is trying to get done here. And I’m curious to know what your sources are.

Meanwhile, he may have ambitions, but we are in the midterm election cycle, Joe Biden is going great guns, and it really irks me that there are Democrats eager to declare him a lame duck already. That doesn’t even make sense.

[Easterncedar]

42. Absolutely agree

Biden is getting great things done, and all this 2024 speculation is premature and, I think, divisive.

[calguy]

36. He shot off his mouth when he was Mayor of SanFransico

It was when Kerry was running against Bush. Newsome said some stupid assed comment about gun control and the Republicans turned it into an effective talking point. I happened to agree with what he said, but if was absolutely the wrong thing to say at the wrong time.
He might be a smarter politician now, but all those stupid statements from the past come back to haunt you in a national election.

[Hekate]

41. That was a very long time ago. But no forgiveness for fellow Democrats, right?

[calguy]

43. It's not whether or not I forgive him

It's the fact that all the stupid things he said years ago will always be there and will used to paint him as an extreme, out of touch liberal should he appear on a national ballot.

It's just that much more unnecessary baggage we don't want to contend with in a close national election.

[PortTack]

19. NO..just NO!! President Biden wants to run, he is the incumbent, and done a monumental job

Great way to lose the WH ….primary an incumbent president.

Please stop reposting this stuff.

[Initech]

32. Agreed!

Do we want 4 more years of the Christian right running the White House? I sure as hell don't!

[Bev54]

20. I don't understand why people are talking 2024 when less than 2 mos away

from a midterm election and couple that with why they are asking as if the current leader of the democratic party is not running.

[Septua]

37. 2024 talk is just speculation

Nov 2022 is THE election of most concern...

[H2O Man]

21. Could be

if President Biden does not run again. If he doesn't, Newsom might be the best bet to beat DeeSantis.

[Demsrule86]

22. Biden is running in 24 so please stop. He has an incumbents advantage and we would be fools

to lose that. And Newsome is governor of a deep blue state so he has not dealt with divided government and would not win the rust-belt IMHO which means we lose.

[CTyankee]

35. I hope he does run, but there is the possibility that he won't so that is why I am asking this

question. OF COURSE, we are supporting our president if he chooses to run again! And I mean vigorously!

[Demsrule86]

39. Good to know. But I live in Ohio near PA and I tell you Newsom won't win the rustbelt without

which we will not win a presidential election. There is no other path. Pres. Obama chose Biden to be his VP in part because of Biden's relationship with the Midwest with unions and with Pennsylvania in particular. And Biden delivered. He is in good health so far and I fully expect him to run in 2024. No matter what Newsom is not the right candidate for 24. I like Newsom and I hope there will come a time when he could win but it won't happen 24.

[Xolodno]

24. Newsom probably does have Presidential ambitions....

...and could utterly defeat DeSantis. However, I think he's planning on taking Diane Feinstein's seat in the Senate. She hasn't been active and pretty much just warming the seat. I thought she would retire the last time, but I wonder if Newsom told her to keep the seat until he was ready.

Add to that, the recall blew up in the GOP's faces. They were obviously trying to block him from any further ambitions, he's like their worst nightmare, personality and charm of Reagan, but a Democrat. Instead, he got more votes for him in the recall than he did in the regular election. As a result even legit challengers are not planning to run against him in the next election.

Also, elections tend to be cyclical, he may be waiting for the right moment to bounce in. VP's don't usually have a good track record for winning or keeping the higher office. They are the perfect people to step in should a tragedy occur, but as far as electability, not so much.

[Bucky]

30. Newsom wants it bad. He's been trolling Southern GOP policy all year

And I like his moxie. And I'd obviously vote for him in November.

But there's a sitting president who says he's running for re-election. And there are more than a couple of other potential candidates I would favor over Gavin, at least in my initial thoughts. I would like Corey Booker to get back in there in 2024. I thought Jay Inslee brought a lot of gravitas and didn't get a fair listen 3 years ago. I think Gretchen Whitmer has an odd non-politician kind of appeal.

With all due respect to my coastal co-partisans, my bias would run to a candidate from a purple state, someone who could swing the critical Great Lakes states into the blue column. But I want to fighter, who is strongly supportive rebuilding the labor movement, committed to Green policies, and who is young enough to charge up those iffy under-30 voters who always make the difference in successful Democratic years.

I want a new FDR. I want a younger Sherrod Brown.

[Easterncedar]

33. Amen!