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Tomi Lahren went to speak at the University of New Mexico. Student's welcomed her...
She isn't happy about this. I have no sh!ts to give.
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JohnSJ
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Initech
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certainot
(9,090 posts)and for the rest of the week probably, the local blowhards and maybe the national blowhards will condemn the violent 'woke' rabble who want to limit free speech... all endorsed by the UNM brand and mascots.
and at least 86 other universities listed at fakenewsradio.org have been enabling dumbasses like lahren for 30 years.
if UNM started talking about getting off that station the GOP in NM would be doomed.
Mr. Ected
(9,714 posts)Since she appears to be seeking asylum from her democratic oppressors in the USA.
TigressDem
(5,126 posts)
Lovie777
(23,411 posts)any schools that are considered educational with historical facts, math and science?
Far right don't believe in higher factual education. They want the masses dumb, stupid, and belief in fake religion.
TigressDem
(5,126 posts)
paleotn
(22,516 posts)The supposed bastions of liberalism...post secondary education. 
Same reason a small group neo-nazi garbage marched through Boston on July 2 this year and DeSantis dumped a group of asylum seekers in Martha's Vineyard. They think they're being cute and "sticking it to the libs."
Zilli
(286 posts)If she can piss off the students she can feel like she has owed the libs. It's pathetic but this may be a goal. The RW Traveling Cavalcade of Hate is tragic and, hopefully, a big huge fail in Roevember.
Initech
(109,036 posts)TP USA is notoriously anti-education and partly funded by a noted insurrectionist. It's insane that higher education institutes are allowing this shit.
jaxexpat
(7,794 posts)"righteously" demand the university respect the nation's sacred first amendment rights. I'm sure their arguments check all the boxes of "reasonable" logic. Blah, Blah, Blah.
It's unfortunate the trusty old term, "common sense", has lost its trustiness because it was so often coopted by the bigot consortium to justify, ....well...., bigotry.
Question of the day: Through what means could these moles be removed that would not threaten the "good guy's" tenure?
See: The definition of responsibility?
Remember: When nobody's guilty, innocence loses its magic.
paleotn
(22,516 posts)TigressDem
(5,126 posts)Last edited Sun Sep 18, 2022, 09:14 AM - Edit history (1)
Turning Point USA invited her.
She's a real piece of work. Blamed George Floyd for causing his own death.
https://www.rawstory.com/tomi-lahren-2658231265/
paleotn
(22,516 posts)it's usually a tiny group of far right students with some faux ax to grind, coupled with a clique of "free speech at all costs" admin and faculty who'd invite Pol Pot if he were available just to here his views on government and genocide.
Free speech is a natural right, but a college campus of all places giving audience to someone who'd happily drag us to 1930's Germany is going way too far. That's giving legitimacy to views they don't deserve any such thing. If they want to spew hate, feel free to do it from a public street corner.
TigressDem
(5,126 posts)“The University of New Mexico is committed to the principles of free speech and values its role as a public square for debate, a marketplace of ideas, and a place to test and challenge competing viewpoints and opinions. In this context, allowing speakers invited by a student organization on campus in no way implies an endorsement of the content of their speeches or their opinions. And those who disagree with the ideas expressed are encouraged to respectfully voice their perspectives.”
BUT many of the students weren't having it.
A conservative nonprofit organization called Turning Point USA presented “Talking with Tomi” inside UNM’s Student Union building. But dozens of students said there was no place for her here. “We don’t like racism on our campus or in our state so that’s the main reason we’re here is just to support and let people know that we’re not okay with this rhetoric being spoken about on our campus,” Diego Renteria, a UNM student said.
The protest even made its way into the building with Lahren speaking just behind the doors. But others came out to learn more about her, who she is, and what she preaches. “I just wanted to form my own opinion on her, on this whole situation because, I obviously have the freedom to speak on my opinions but I need to have those validated and backed up by all of the facts and not just make a decision based on my peers,” Adriana Gutierrez, a UNM student said.
More about Turning Point
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/23/turning-point-rightwing-youth-group-critics-tactics
Founded in 2012 by then-18-year-old Charlie Kirk and headquartered in Arizona – where it has built a robust base now backing Trump-endorsed candidates like a former Fox news star running for governor – TPUSA’s revenues have soared from $4.3m in 2016 to almost $39.8m in 2020, according to public tax filings.
TPUSA boasts it has allies on more than 2,500 high school and college campuses and is the “largest and fastest growing youth organization in America”. The group, which has non-profit charity status that bars political work, also has a political arm called Turning Point Action that can do election work.
The two groups’ fealty to Trump has generated mounting criticism and alarm. Kirk and his outfits have been vocal exponents of baseless claims of election fraud, promoting the 6 January rally that featured Trump’s call to “fight like hell” before the Capitol attack, and running Facebook ads with blatant falsehoods about Covid-19 vaccinations.
paleotn
(22,516 posts)A handful of students with bizarre psychological issues and a university administration that doesn't understand the danger of given such views legitimacy. Just a bit more organization nationally in this case. 
Speaking of Pol Pot, I wonder if UM would give me a spot in their "marketplace of ideas" if I wrote that he was on the right track, but just didn't kill enough Cambodians to make it work? 
moose65
(3,459 posts)But Charlie Kirk was only 18 when it was founded. He didn’t have the money or the experience to run this group by himself. His co-founder was a 72-year-old man, Bill Montgomery, who heard Kirk speak and became his “mentor.” Ginni Thomas has also been an advisor for Turning Point.
How can they be an non-profit? They obviously support and campaign for Republicans.
TigressDem
(5,126 posts)RE: How can they be an non-profit? They obviously support and campaign for Republicans.
They have TWO groups.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/23/turning-point-rightwing-youth-group-critics-tactics
TPUSA boasts it has allies on more than 2,500 high school and college campuses and is the “largest and fastest growing youth organization in America”. The group, which has non-profit charity status that bars political work, also has a political arm called Turning Point Action that can do election work.
TigressDem
(5,126 posts)Also, per PolitiFact, they don't tell the truth much.
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/turning-point-usa/
TigressDem
(5,126 posts)AND of course, the REICH B is calling BLM the new KKK.
SORRY Vanilla the HUN, it's more like the ghost of MLK come back to finish the job he started before y'all had him killed.
It's a strong but peaceful protest against your close minded dialogue. There were no nooses or attack dogs or people wielding bats or guns. Passive, peaceful resistance is the way of MLK not the KKK.
What I am really sorry about is that some whacko invited you in the first place. You were misled to believe that your racist blather was wanted or tolerated there.
Baitball Blogger
(52,607 posts)I had a closer look at how destructive the drugs were that were spreading around that time. I always felt those drugs diluted the impact of their protests.
I always wondered what a charged, new group of young people could do if they came together to protest, but passed on the drugs.
And now that I said that, I wonder if our intelligence agency was behind spreading those drugs, specifically with the intention of diluting the effectiveness of 60s protests.
TigressDem
(5,126 posts)The powerful conservative youth group Turning Point USA, which has forged strong ties to Donald Trump and his son Don Trump Jr, has raised tens of millions of dollars from super rich donors and secret backers while pushing disinformation about Joe Biden’s win in 2020, Covid-19 vaccines and other extremist and rightwing issues.
The group is campaigning on college campuses across the US, as well as expanding into rightist media and faith activities and – through its campaign arm – is getting directly involved with elections, where it often supports pro-Trump and conservative candidates.
The emerging strength and roles of TPUSA in the conservative ecosystem- and the rising visibility of its ambitious and hard driving Charlie Kirk – has sparked withering criticism from medical experts and ethics watchdogs, as well as some Republican party operatives.
tanyev
(49,486 posts)that made it happen. It's win-win for them. Schedule a right-wing speaker who either talks to a young audience and entices a few more into the fold, or draws protests and gives them a chance to complain loud and long about "TEH PERSECUTION!1!".
Sympthsical
(11,063 posts)I always find it so strange, especially at UC Berkeley where I've seen similar first hand, how people now celebrate shutting down speech they dislike.
Protest, yes, of course. Actively prevent speech? At a college?
I'm not sure what that is, but it's not liberalism. It's definitely something else.
It's even more strange to see people from that generation celebrating it.
And I love how it's highlighted. "The college blocked them!"
Imagine that. A college trying to let speech move forward.
That they're all pissed off about that is . . . a little weird and authoritarian.
Actually, it's a lot weird and authoritarian.
TigressDem
(5,126 posts)Telling the KKK and their supporters, "WE DON'T WANT your hate messages HERE" IS a liberal and peaceful response.
They wanted in the room to boo and chant. They pushed past police, but didn't hurt anyone physically.
SHE assumed that WE are like HER and IF WE WERE SHOUTING ABOUT IT, obviously there were guns and bats and other ways the mob would use to attack her.
WORDS were used against a White Supremacist.
White Supremacy supports rando white dudes wandering into a BLM protest with an AR-15 or a school and practicing their 2nd amendment rights on innocent people and children.
HER RIGHT to TALK is not a question.
OTHERS RIGHT to NOT LISTEN was.
Those kids already KNOW that HATE isn't the answer.
Sympthsical
(11,063 posts)Colleges should be bastions of it, not celebrating closing it down.
Remember that whole, "I may not like what you say . . . etc." That is long gone. It's funny. I was recently watching an interview with the old director of the ACLU, Ira Glasser, and he was lamenting how what his organization stood for just seems long gone. I grew up in a time where stories of safeguarding civil liberties included that story of neo-Nazis marching through Skokie, IL.
We've lost that respect for civil liberties in favor of authoritarian enforcement of only allowing speech that is agreed with.
That this train of thought is being taught and reinforced at colleges is a very depressing evolution in this country. I actually think it's corrosive and contributes to the partisan problem we have. "I don't like you. I have to shut you down and erase you from the public sphere." It becomes a contest and path to "winning" if someone can be silenced.
It's not a good evolution, in my mind.
And I think the people who argue for it should find a word other than liberal to describe themselves, because free speech - especially the shit we hate - used to be pretty foundational to modern ideas of what being a liberal means.
"They wanted in the room to boo and chant." Yes, they wanted to shut down speech they didn't like.
That is being anti-speech. Sorry, but it is. No matter what bow you try to wrap around it.
TigressDem
(5,126 posts)I agree she should be allowed to talk, but not on a college campus that doesn't want to hear her lies.
She is SO misinformed that she thinks that BLM is the new KKK.
While that is bad enough, SHE DOES NOT KNOW WHAT THE KKK IS.
She is a pretty blonde tool being used to spread propaganda. Propaganda gets spread, books about the truth burned and then we get to live in a police state with a dictator.
IT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE AND WE SEE HOW IT WENT. NO THANKS.
https://www.romper.com/p/the-10-best-moments-from-trevor-noahs-interview-with-tomi-lahren-23936
Lahren frequently refers to Black Lives Matter as "the new KKK," a ridiculous statement not just because the KKK still exists, as Noah explained to her, but because it minimizes the KKK's actions. Lahren counters with a claim that she's seen Black Lives Matter protesters holding signs that say "Fry 'em like bacon" and "F the police." "When that now becomes the narrative, and you're starting to loot, burn, and riot... What did the KKK do?" It's such an insane thing to say, it didn't even register with Noah initially, and he has to interrupt himself to ask her, "Did you say 'What did the KKK do?' Wow. wow." Noah was apparently too baffled to follow up.
Demsrule86
(71,552 posts)It doesn't mean you have the right to spew lies and face no consequences...she has no constitutional right to speak at the college and spew her garbage.
PortTack
(35,824 posts)Sympthsical
(11,063 posts)And a very tired one.
Free speech isn't just a law and an amendment. It is also a principle. If people want to jettison the principle of free expression, they're certainly free to make the attempt. Just don't pretend you're not supporting a more authoritarian view of expression. Don't be dishonest about what you're doing, and don't complain when that position swings around and starts harming you (because it will, quite suddenly and without you realizing where it came from. Source: all of history).
Highly related to this is is how supportive people are of private tech monopolies trying to create narrow bands of acceptable expression.
Imagine this. Liberals. Who want a handful of tech corporations to be the arbiters of expression.
That is utterly bizarro world to me. It is a completely coo coo bananas inversion of liberalism, and I will point it out every time.
I know what space I'm in and that the mutation of ideology towards limiting speech and expression is a rather popular one to hold. But, I'm quite fine with being unpopular on this one.
Because the fact I'm right isn't even ambiguous. I just am. Full stop.
Demsrule86
(71,552 posts)listen to racist garbage and pretend that it is right and necessary in a free society (it is not)...she can go speak elsewhere period. Not all speech is equal. And she has no right to spew her wretched 'speech' (hate vomit is what I call it) at a college or anywhere else for that matter. On the other hand, she won't be arrested for her ill-advised words which would not be the case in UK and other countries.
Demsrule86
(71,552 posts)a right to say it anywhere. Some act as if all speech is equal. That is not the case. We don't have to listen to this crap. She will not be arrested and that is all that is all that is guaranteed in our constitution.
Demsrule86
(71,552 posts)means. We do not have to listen to sick racist garbage or allow access to colleges or wherever to those who say such things. The government will not drag you out of your home and throw you in prison for your speech period. That is all that is guarnanteed.
triron
(22,240 posts)
billh58
(6,655 posts)The full statement by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes in Schenk is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_theater#:~:text=%22Shouting%20fire%20in%20a%20crowded%20theater%22%20is%20a,the%20United%20States%20Supreme%20Court%20case%20Schenck%20v.
The often omitted key word is "falsely." Please note that Republicans (especially TFG) shout falsehoods at public gatherings routinely, and for some reason get away with it.
TheProle
(4,029 posts)Silencing the expression of an idea doesn’t kill the idea. It drives it into back rooms and bars.
Progressive ideas and capable debaters are the solution.
Takket
(23,761 posts)lets not act like her an her ideas are are being forced into "back rooms". That is a terrible take. If she wasn't a nationally known name she wouldn't even have warranted an invitation to the college in the first place.
TheProle
(4,029 posts)If you misconstrue what I said. I was referring to the free exchange of ideas in general.
uponit7771
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Kingofalldems
(40,349 posts)Prof. Toru Tanaka
(2,950 posts)But she is full of shit, like Charlie Kirk and others of their ilk. Their central theme is bitching about a stolen election that was won fairly by Joe Biden. I applaud these students for letting Lahren know that she and her bullshit are not welcome at this university. And if Lahren wants to go on TV and snivel and whine that she was chased off campus, good. She is nothing but an obnoxious flame thrower for the right and hopefully she gets the same treatment at other college campuses.
TigressDem
(5,126 posts)IF she had any FACTS that were new and relevant, but the bimbo does NOT EVEN KNOW that the KKK went out and HUNG people by the neck with a noose until they were DEAD, simply for having the wrong color of skin.
SOMEONE THAT STUPID should NEVER be invited to a college campus.
TigressDem
(5,126 posts)IF they had simply stayed back 10 feet from her and kept up the chants and not banged on the door, or sat on the floor as they chanted to show it was a peaceful, but determined response, no one could have objected.
It's like not buying goods sold by people who support tRump.
Turing Point USA invited her to speak.
THEY financially and politically support tRump, spread the BIG Election Lie and misinformation about COVID.
SHE started out as an ultra-conservative commentator for The Blaze, Glenn Beck's multi-platform network, 24-year-old Lahren's viewership primarily comes from Facebook. Think of her as a millennial Ann Coulter.
SHE IS SO millennial and protected, she REALLY DOES NOT KNOW what the KKK did that was so bad.
TigressDem
(5,126 posts)However, we don't live in a time where people simply have different viewpoints about issues.
We have a whole portion of the media that is becoming a propaganda machine where facts are not relevant, but the wishes of a dictator are.
It is the way that civilization gets CONTROLLED by the government.
The problem with her and her ilk is that THEY will eventually work to shut ALL OF OUR VOICES down because it conflicts with their perceived narrative.
In some way, she may be an "innocent victim" but her victimization began at home. No one educated her about what the KKK did to people and why the liberals barely tolerate their speech because it led historically to violence and death. That putting white men in charge just because they are white leads to everyone else being minimized or worse, taken out of the picture.
BUT she doesn't think she is a victim. She thinks she's a brave truth teller.
She needs medication, therapy and our sympathy for her delusions, not a gig to speak at a college.
uponit7771
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treestar
(82,383 posts)they already know what her ideas are. That's why they are protesting her, which is free speech too.
She can speak, but the audience can boo her or yell things - the audience has free speech too.
plimsoll
(1,690 posts)So she'd be able to come and say those things. The people who protest would be able to protest. If she said something that was untrue, like "George Floyd choked himself," she would be able to be charged with what amounts slander. Unlike here, slander is a criminal offense so she'd be charged and tried for slander. It's not much a penalty I suppose, but we as a society have never dealt with the problem of dealing with where deliberate falsehoods fall white respect to free speech.
Additionally the school kept out the protestors so who exactly had their free speech curtailed? Is it a problem that people disagreed with her, and why should they have fewer rights than she does?
On edit: I realized that you can make a very strong argument that her religion's theology requires that "George Floyd choked himself." So I suppose she's covered under freedom of worship.
Ritabert
(2,549 posts)....when some of her own relatives never spoke English.
...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.www.complex.com/life/2018/05/after-criticizing-immigrants-tomi-lahrens-geneology-reveals-her-ancestors-didnt-speak-english
IronLionZion
(51,473 posts)She could have gone to many colleges with lots of conservatives but wants the protests.
Although at a conservative college, she might get protestors because of her less extreme stance on abortion.
Joinfortmill
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TygrBright
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SledDriver
(2,122 posts)Tells you all you need to know
keithbvadu2
(40,915 posts)*blocked*... Shouldn't Tomi's supporters back up the anti-racist protestors denied their FA rights?
???
It just gets so complicated.
Erik the UNred
(50 posts)I mean, what if she ever has an intelligent thought? It could be fatal!
papa3times
(150 posts)best thing I've seen all day. Let this maga radical know young people are on to her bs. They fuckin' hate her and for good reason!
gulliver
(14,051 posts)Lahren got exactly what she wanted. That couldn't be more obvious.
Someday we're going wise up and stop lauding people who mob, chant, and yell into mics. We'll see it as what it is, lossage. We're letting the jerks on the right, from Trump on down, pick the people on the left they want to argue with. Naturally, they pick people they can easily beat.
tenderfoot
(8,982 posts)eom
triron
(22,240 posts)tenderfoot
(8,982 posts)For what reason other to simply troll?
Because that's what she is.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)raccoon
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Cha
(320,078 posts)the UofNM?!
So Grateful the Students showed her she is Full of Ugly Fascist SHIT!
Crowman2009
(3,577 posts)Keep it up college activists of America! 
Iggo
(50,000 posts)And she knows it.
LakeArenal
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littlemissmartypants
(34,200 posts)
Obviously photoshop.
This is for real though.
Tomi Lahren unveils 'Freedom' athleisure line for women 'proud to be an American'
Elise Solé
August 23, 2019·2 min read
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/tomi-lahren-unveils-freedom-athleisure-line-for-your-gun-194419033.html
https://alexoathletica.com/product/matte-7-8-carrywear-legging-mint-green/
Anything to make a buck.
Despicable.
Link to tweet
Demovictory9
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BlueJac
(7,838 posts)HillbillyDaoist
(93 posts)Do you also support the "peaceful" love fest that occurred January 6th? Pretty much the same argument you're making here is parrotted by the right wing about Jan 6. So hilarious that trumphumpers who supported Jan. 6 have their panties in a huge twist when there is a peaceful protest against them. I call BULLSHIT on you all. Enough with the fucking apologist shit supporting these fascist traitors.