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I bet it's illegal in Germany to do the heil Hitler salute. (Original Post) raccoon Sep 2022 OP
Correct; it has been illegal since 1970 under Section 86/a of the Criminal Code. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #1
Dog's Nazi salute lands owner in jail for five months Celerity Sep 2022 #5
Dog's Nazi salute lands owner in jail for five months Celerity Sep 2022 #6
It is illegal; but they don't have the First Amendment. brooklynite Sep 2022 #2
It's so sad that they can't openly express their hatred tenderfoot Sep 2022 #4
If Germany elected an Orbn-type leader, would you like him to decide what constitutes hate speech? brooklynite Sep 2022 #9
We're very fortunate that we can openly condemned, intimidate and threaten those we find distasteful tenderfoot Sep 2022 #10
And WE can criticize Republicans for being anti-abortion, anti-gay rights, anti immigrant, racist... brooklynite Sep 2022 #13
Condem, yes Zeitghost Sep 2022 #15
It's called Article 5 of their basic law in Germany. Solly Mack Sep 2022 #8
I don't see how DeSantis gets away with his "Don't say gay" crap in Florida. RKP5637 Sep 2022 #14
The shit going on in the US is going too far. Bit by bit we see this crap growing. RKP5637 Sep 2022 #3
If only we had evidence that trump committed crimes. So we could address the threat onecaliberal Sep 2022 #7
Well, the election was stolen from him, how do we know there were ever RKP5637 Sep 2022 #11
But you know the alphabet soup planted evidence. 🤮 onecaliberal Sep 2022 #12
Ah, yes!!! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2022 #16
also known as the zeig heil salute . if they do it in public, at lewast we know wher ethey stand . AllaN01Bear Sep 2022 #17

Celerity

(43,543 posts)
5. Dog's Nazi salute lands owner in jail for five months
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 03:17 PM
Sep 2022
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dog-s-nazi-salute-lands-owner-in-jail-for-five-months-766438.html

Friday 21 December 2007

As a dog lover, Hitler would no doubt have been flattered "Adolf" the part Alsatian mongrel was not only his namesake but also meticulously trained by his Berlin owner to raise his right paw in a Nazi salute every time the command "Heil Hitler!" was uttered. But in a country where giving the Nazi salute even in jest has been strictly verboten since 1945, Adolf's canine tricks did not amuse the police or the judiciary.

Yesterday his owner, a pensioner named as Roland T, was starting what seemed like a draconian prison term of five months for repeatedly displaying banned Nazi symbols. His pet was dispatched to one of the city's animal homes. The dog was pictured in newspapers and on Der Spiegel magazine's online site sitting in a kennel with the name "Adolf" chalked across its entrance.

Evamarie Knig, a spokeswoman for the kennel, said she hoped the animal would find a new home soon. "He is healthy and obedient and we think he will find another owner quickly because he is so famous," she said. The dog is to be renamed Adi. Roland T and his dog first attracted the attention of police in 2003 when the dog saluted as part of his owner's provocative public repertoires of banned Nazi gestures, including wearing Hitler T-shirts and chanting "Sieg Heil".

Earlier this year, judges ruled that Roland T should serve a prison term after suspended jail sentences and fines failed to dissuade him from continuing to display Nazi symbols. Months before going to jail he had threatened to have the dog put down after claiming that he could no longer afford dog food because of the fines. He said the dog, which he claimed had been born on Hitler's birthday, would be put down on the anniversary of the Nazi leader's death. The ban on Nazi symbols has been felt even by anti-Nazi activists, who last year were punished for using a swastika with a red slash across it.

Celerity

(43,543 posts)
6. Dog's Nazi salute lands owner in jail for five months
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 03:17 PM
Sep 2022
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dog-s-nazi-salute-lands-owner-in-jail-for-five-months-766438.html

Friday 21 December 2007

As a dog lover, Hitler would no doubt have been flattered "Adolf" the part Alsatian mongrel was not only his namesake but also meticulously trained by his Berlin owner to raise his right paw in a Nazi salute every time the command "Heil Hitler!" was uttered. But in a country where giving the Nazi salute even in jest has been strictly verboten since 1945, Adolf's canine tricks did not amuse the police or the judiciary.

Yesterday his owner, a pensioner named as Roland T, was starting what seemed like a draconian prison term of five months for repeatedly displaying banned Nazi symbols. His pet was dispatched to one of the city's animal homes. The dog was pictured in newspapers and on Der Spiegel magazine's online site sitting in a kennel with the name "Adolf" chalked across its entrance.

Evamarie Knig, a spokeswoman for the kennel, said she hoped the animal would find a new home soon. "He is healthy and obedient and we think he will find another owner quickly because he is so famous," she said. The dog is to be renamed Adi. Roland T and his dog first attracted the attention of police in 2003 when the dog saluted as part of his owner's provocative public repertoires of banned Nazi gestures, including wearing Hitler T-shirts and chanting "Sieg Heil".

Earlier this year, judges ruled that Roland T should serve a prison term after suspended jail sentences and fines failed to dissuade him from continuing to display Nazi symbols. Months before going to jail he had threatened to have the dog put down after claiming that he could no longer afford dog food because of the fines. He said the dog, which he claimed had been born on Hitler's birthday, would be put down on the anniversary of the Nazi leader's death. The ban on Nazi symbols has been felt even by anti-Nazi activists, who last year were punished for using a swastika with a red slash across it.

brooklynite

(94,741 posts)
9. If Germany elected an Orbn-type leader, would you like him to decide what constitutes hate speech?
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 03:29 PM
Sep 2022

I'm happy going with free speech, even speech I don't agree with.

tenderfoot

(8,438 posts)
10. We're very fortunate that we can openly condemned, intimidate and threaten those we find distasteful
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 03:41 PM
Sep 2022

Much like Republicans are doing to gays and transexuals now.

FREEDOM!!!!

brooklynite

(94,741 posts)
13. And WE can criticize Republicans for being anti-abortion, anti-gay rights, anti immigrant, racist...
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 03:57 PM
Sep 2022

...works for me.

Zeitghost

(3,871 posts)
15. Condem, yes
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 03:59 PM
Sep 2022

Intimidate? Maybe, depending on how you word it. Threatening people is illegal in most cases.

Solly Mack

(90,787 posts)
8. It's called Article 5 of their basic law in Germany.
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 03:25 PM
Sep 2022

Freedom of expression (speech), arts and sciences. Includes freedom of the press.

As in America, there are limits to rights as well.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
14. I don't see how DeSantis gets away with his "Don't say gay" crap in Florida.
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 03:58 PM
Sep 2022

Don't kids have any right to the first amendment. The crazy stuff seems to get a free pass.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
3. The shit going on in the US is going too far. Bit by bit we see this crap growing.
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 03:14 PM
Sep 2022

And Trump, who tried to overthrow the US, stole secret documents, tried to overthrow the election process and a host of events has free reign to waltz around and conduct more propaganda sessions. OK, innocent until proven guilty, but do we let others wander around who have committed serious crimes. IMO the MF'ER belong in a holding cell or whatever.

onecaliberal

(32,901 posts)
7. If only we had evidence that trump committed crimes. So we could address the threat
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 03:20 PM
Sep 2022

Lock the mother fucker up.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
11. Well, the election was stolen from him, how do we know there were ever
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 03:48 PM
Sep 2022

any documents, we should send donations to the poor dear, since he paid for all of the stimulus checks for the US from his private account. Yeah, let's lock him up, and do a TV Show staring Dump in the mini-series, "I Need to Decorate This Place."

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