Wow. This was written by a black man!

[momta]

So, this guy, John Gibbs, won the GOP primary in his Michigan district. He's supported by TFG. Someone dug up a website for a group he formed when he was at Stanford in the early 2000's, and this is an excerpt from it.

"Some argue that in a democratic society, it is hypocritical or unjust for women, who are 50% of the population, not to have the vote," Gibbs' website read. "This is obviously not true, since the founding fathers, who understood liberty and democracy better than anyone, did not believe so."

He's disavowing it now (of course ), but JFC!

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/21/politics/john-gibbs-womens-suffrage-19th-amendment-kfile/index.html

[Walleye]

1. We've got to expose all these misogynists that are trying to sneak into office by scrubbing

But he does seem like the perfect Republican candidate

[Ray Bruns]

2. So exactly how bad does this guy's knuckles bleed after he walks around?

[Sneederbunk]

3. Your move Michigan women.

[The Magistrate]

4. It's An Odd Point, Sir

For a man 'the founding fathers, who understood liberty and democracy better than anyone,' were content to see bought and sold for cash on the barrel head....

[momta]

5. Exactly!

People who have this kind of reverence for our "founding fathers" need to pick up a history book now and then.

[Hortensis]

6. No surprise. It's not the skin color, it's the personality.

This guy's obviously very conservative. He's hardly alone. 10% of the black males in GA who voted for Obama refused to vote for liberal female Stacey Abrams for governor. These hard-cores objected to a woman so much that they'd rather elect a white nationalist male who was doing his best to disenfranchise black people who didn't do it for themselves. Remember that making planetwide news while Kemp was doing it right out in the open?

Stacey Abrams addressing the problem, which is worse this election, at a campaign stop:

“Daddy, stand up,” Abrams said as her father, Robert Abrams, was showered with applause before an audience of several hundred people.

“I am not a Black man, but I’ve been raised by one,” she said, adding, “and I am always going to say that if Black men stand with me and vote for me and work with me, we can change the future of Georgia.”

Regarding personality, remember also that men tend to be significantly more conservative on average than women. Besides misogyny for its own sake, there's also the issue of male privilege: Black men, the more conservative the more so, are no happier about losing their male privilege to empowered women than white men are.

[TheRealNorth]

8. I didn't presume people changed their votes

I presume that some of the black Obama voters from 2008 and 2012 probably just didn't vote in 2018, leaving a higher percentage of Black Republican voters in 2018.

[Hortensis]

11. That also happened. But there are always men who refuse

to vote for women, and the vast majority of those, though not all, are conservative by personality. This is GA.
Between culture, personality and gender, probably well over half of black men are conservative.

Poor Stacey, btw. I don't have what it takes. Any fantasies I'd have about being in her position would involve a baseball bat.

[Aristus]

7. So a bunch of syphilitic slave-owners had infallible decision-making ability?

Not buying it...

[Hugh_Lebowski]

12. It's intrinsic to humans born with the conservative gene if you ask me.

General thinking is: Wise Men figured everything out a long time ago, all I (and by extension, everyone else) has to do is abide by their ancient, wise reasoning, and everything will be good!

Their worship of what 'The Founders' thought is exactly analogous to their worship of the scribblings of wandering Bronze-Age nomads talking about The Sky Daddy.

They're literally hard-wired to think this way. If thoughts or wisdoms are old, and comport with themselves personally having power, control, money, etc ... then they are super-valid and important that MUST be granted reverence.

It is, imho, a very primitive thought process that hearkens back to the days when knowledge was passed along generation to generation within human groups/tribes/societies.

If some piece of knowledge is 'old' then it has 'survived', therefore it must be valid.

The fact WE do NOT think this way ... is why we're accurately called 'progressives'.

This fundamental conflict is playing out across the world, as it has been for many centuries.

[Sympthsical]

9. Skin color doesn't dictate ideology

So it shouldn't be a surprise when someone holds a view regardless of skin color.

People who are surprised by this - to the point of emphasis of it over all else - have problematic views about race, expectations, and the idle race-based social enforcement that results.

You could've just said it was written by an asshole, although that would've been pretty obvious.

White people should stop trying to continuously force their own templates on people of color because of their color.

[momta]

13. The point is that the "founders" wouldn't have even considered HIM a whole person...

Much less one who could vote. They at least considered women PEOPLE for the purposes of the census, but Gibbs wouldn't have even been afforded that dignity.

[Me.]

10. JFC Indeed