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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsStacey Abrams Corrected Abortion Misinformation, and Republicans Lost Their Minds
https://jezebel.com/stacey-abrams-corrected-abortion-misinformation-and-re-1849569712On a panel this week in Atlanta, Georgia Democratic gubernatorial nominee Stacey Abrams fact-checked the popular anti-abortion claim that a fetus has a heartbeat at six weeks of pregnancy. Conservatives call their bills banning abortion after that point heartbeat bans, and plenty of media outlets still use the term, even though its medically incorrect.
There is no such thing as a heartbeat at six weeks, Abrams said. It is a manufactured sound designed to convince people that men have the right to take control of a womans body away from her.
Conservatives, of course, immediately lost their shit, with Foxs Will Cain calling the statement QAnon-plus level.
Link to tweet
But Abrams is correct that theres no real heartbeat that early in pregnancy. Not only do six-week embryos not have hearts, but the sound of pulsing cells that will eventually become a heart is created by the [ultrasound] machine itself, which translates the waves of electrical activity into something audible, per the New York Times. It is, really and truly, a manufactured sound.
The sound wasnt invented for the purpose of controlling peoples bodies, but anti-abortion advocates certainly use it for that purpose now. The crusade started with laws that mandate pre-abortion ultrasounds and continued with crisis pregnancy centers that prey on women who are pregnant and scared, before later morphing into a campaign to pass heartbeat bills.
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Walleye
(31,008 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Stick head in sand (or up own ass!).
Celerity
(43,299 posts)and there is no formed heart at 6 weeks (as I am sure you know)
https://www.livescience.com/65501-fetal-heartbeat-at-6-weeks-explained.html
Walleye
(31,008 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Goooooooo Stacey!!!
Lonestarblue
(9,971 posts)Im so sick of these wackos who think they have the right to control all women. If right-wing white evangelical women wish to allow men to control their every decision, fine. Thats their problem, maybe from too much daddy worship. The rest of the world wants nothing to do with that fake religion and fake medicine. A fetus dies not have a heart at six weeks. Ask any real medical doctor instead of the charlatans posting as concerned legislators who are salivating at the opportunity to punish all women for being the evil temptresses they imagine in their wet dreams.
underpants
(182,759 posts)I had no idea.
Deuxcents
(16,176 posts)For sure, heads are gonna explode 🤯.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Which is why I would check with medical experts before presuming to make a law about something I didn't know. If I was a legislator, that is.
underpants
(182,759 posts)Amazing.
soldierant
(6,846 posts)you wold have realized that in a being the size of a six week old embroyo, if there were a heart, it wouldn't be much larger than a seed bead, if at all.
I knew the pulses weren't a heartbeat, but I didn;t know the ultrasound generated them. Had I been asked, I would have said it magnified them.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,320 posts)Roe, Roe, Roe your vote
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ancianita
(36,019 posts)regardless of male power and privileging interests and systems.
Rhiannon12866
(205,161 posts)JanMichael
(24,881 posts)dchill
(38,468 posts)niyad
(113,253 posts)Parenthood, showing "pictures" of fully developed 8 or 9 week old fetuses, that I could do photoshop, too, and much better. When the person insisted that this had been seen by a person present during the abortion, I said, "Fine. Give me that person's name. There are criminal charges for violating a person's privacy like that. And their medical privileges should be revoked." For some reason, they kept giving signs warding off the evil eye.
BlueSky3
(511 posts)Wish Id been there to see that conversation.
niyad
(113,253 posts)and I counter-protested the idiots. We would sing the Monty Python "Every Sperm Is Sacred" as they earnestly recited their rosaries. I lodged complaints about open alcohol, demanding that the priest who organized these idiots and served communion be arrested. We did guerilla theater. We finally stopped when the PP moved to another location. . the one where Robert Dear killed three people on Black Friday.
Ilsa
(61,694 posts)"...manufactured sound." She could have called the manufactured sound a marketing gimmick.
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)Thank you!
dchill
(38,468 posts)Farmer-Rick
(10,154 posts)Made me crack up.
Thanks for the chuckle.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,563 posts)my mind always fills in "But as sick as they are, how far could they get?"
underpants
(182,759 posts)tdrake
(12 posts)dchill
(38,468 posts)Kinda like Fox "News."
Beartracks
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Beartracks
(12,807 posts)Kath2
(3,074 posts)Excellent and accurate point that you make.
But regardless of heartbeats, I believe the pregnant woman or girl should have precedence over the fetus.
crickets
(25,960 posts)She is intelligent, informed, and ready to serve the people. We need her in GA - go Stacey!
Farmer-Rick
(10,154 posts)Aside from the obvious there is no heart beat at six week.
1. The zygote or fetus age is calculated from a woman's last period which may include 2 weeks of not being pregnant.
"But first, a quick primer on how pregnancy weeks are calculated, because there are multiple ways of counting this time. One way is to count from fertilization, or when sperm meets egg. Fertilization dates, however, are not usually known, so pregnancy is more often measured from the last menstrual period. This way of counting, which is also termed gestational age, includes approximately two weeks prior to conception. As a result, a six-week pregnancy by this measure includes only about four weeks of actually being pregnant. A normal pregnancy lasts approximately 40 weeks."
2. And the so called heart goes through some major changes from a tube to something resembling a heart but it doesn't function as a true heart until a full nine weeks and a day after fertilization.
"Very soon after the tube forms, some cells of the tube begin to spontaneously contract, creating the first heartbeat, although the heart tube may not pump blood for another day or two. Textbooks and papers also peg this to approximately 21-23 days after fertilization, or what would be five completed weeks of pregnancy, or a few days into the sixth week.
Chamber and valve formation take about three weeks to wrap up. Based on 3D imaging of human embryos, scientists are able to identify all of the major structures after nine weeks and one day of pregnancy, when the entire process is largely complete."
Only after nine weeks does a fetus have a human shaped heart. And a similar human like heart beat.
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/07/when-are-heartbeats-audible-during-pregnancy/
Oh the lies the GOP and Supremely Religious Court must tell to keep a woman's womb in America under their control.
betsuni
(25,456 posts)LakeArenal
(28,816 posts)love_katz
(2,578 posts)With that said, all of these forced birth laws ignore the living woman who has her own heart beat. It is all about control, oppression, and fanatical religious dictatorship.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)Atticus
(15,124 posts)KS Toronado
(17,195 posts)Is he admitting Qanon puts out conspiracy theories?