MSNBC panelist goes there. Judy Gold on Lindsey Graham:

[Swede]

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[FreeState]

1. Homophobia is never funny or cool sorry

Laughing at a closeted gay man because he has never seen a naked woman is homophobic.

[Bucky]

21. Thank you.

It's not hard to come up with an actual argument about why Lindsey Graham is utterly unqualified to address any given issue. We don't have to stooped ad hominem's

[elleng]

31. Thanks

[Docreed2003]

32. This!

I'm no fan of Lindsey but to attacking him with homophobic shit is wrong and disgusting

[CatWoman]

37. exactly!!!

[AZSkiffyGeek]

70. Extra protection?

Nah, we just don’t think Dems should act like schoolyard homophobes.

[Lunabell]

104. Don't bother.

They will triple even quadruple down on their homophobia. They don't care about the LGBTQ community as long as they get to ridicule those whom they hate.

[demmiblue]

45. There are some people here who seem to be very proud of their homophobia. n/t

[AZSkiffyGeek]

50. Yup nt

[Lunabell]

105. Probably the same ones who defended the Defense of Marriage Act back in the 90's.

Lots of Democrats, yes, HRC, voted for it.

[Arazi]

46. Judy Gold is gay ffs

She’s pointing out that this guy, who has zero interest in having a family or a even any interest in how womens bodies even work, is reducing women to pregnancy slaves.

He demands privacy for his sex life but not women.

It’s not homophobic.

[GoCubsGo]

55. Judy Gold is gay.

She just doesn't hide it.

[CatWoman]

58. and there are some on this thread who keeps purposely ignoring that fact

[AZSkiffyGeek]

62. Because it's irrelevant?

[FreeState]

65. X 1000 n/t

[CatWoman]

66. it's relevant in that she is the messenger

I'm done

[Iggo]

96. Yeah, you are.

[FreeState]

64. Candies Owens is black

Doesn’t make anything she says about race correct or not offensive.

I’m gay and plenty of gay people say stuff that’s offensive (look up internalized homophobia).

Regardless the LGBT community on to you has been assured repeatedly, that they will not allow attacks on his orientation here. But here it is again over and over.

[Lunabell]

113. It's really sad to see it on DU.

But, not all Democrats are good people.

[Lunabell]

106. There are gay republicans.

Can they make fun of Buttigieg because they're gay? That makes it ok?

[GoCubsGo]

107. Which ones are doing that?

And, unlike Lindsey Graham, I don't see Pete Butegeig--or any other Democrat trying to take away the bodily autonomy of half the the country.

[Lunabell]

109. You don't get a pass for homophobia just because you're gay.

It doesn't work that way.

[Treefrog]

94. Thank you.

Pretty sad this is where our level of discourse is these days.

[underpants]

2. No. This is childish and stupid.

[Irish_Dem]

7. I don't think we should call women childish and stupid.

[underpants]

18. I don't care who said it.

It’s playground BS

[Bucky]

24. They're pretty clearly calling her argument, not the panelist, childish and stupid

Wait, let me clarify. Her lack of an argument.

Personal insults have nothing to do with policy, not even really bad public policy.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

63. Who did that?

[MustLoveBeagles]

110. Correct

It was a cheap shot and I don't care if the person who said originaly is gay or not. Go after him for his political views and polices not his sexuality whatever it may be.

[onecaliberal]

3. I try to imagine how the people graham strives to deny civil rights would feel.

The hypocrisy makes me want to 🤮. It’s one thing to want privacy, it’s another thing to actively work to make peoples lives difficult and take away fundamental rights.

[Me.]

9. Fundamental Rights Which INclude Privacy

something he will willingly deny to women and interestingly, one of the women he would deny the right of privacy to is the gay woman who made the comment.

[onecaliberal]

12. I understand. They are actively trying to kill as many women as possible. They want to control

The surfs and pocket the $. These fucking pricks are going to hear us In November.

[Irish_Dem]

20. He intrudes into women's sex lives, why is his sex life private?

Why should Lindsey have the privacy he denies women?

The rules cannot just protect men, they should work for women too.

[CatWoman]

22. BINGO

[SunSeeker]

35. Exactly. nt

[AZSkiffyGeek]

74. So when do we start calling Walker the "N" word?

Can we start calling MTG the “c” word?
Make fun of Abbott for his wheelchair?
If there is some Republican journalist who has seizures can we wave our arms around to make fun of him?

[PCIntern]

80. That's specious...

First of all, I only advocate that we do what they do within our parameters. They use the words like “peekaboo” so we can call them “racist” and “fascist”. It ain’t beanbag we are playing.

[CatWoman]

82. LOL

My brother, who lives in Houston, calls Abbott "Gov. Big Wheels".

He says everyone calls him that.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

84. So you also mock the disabled

Nice to admit it.

[CatWoman]

91. You bought up Abbott

I was just letting you know Houstonians already mock him.

However, I admit this: Fuck Abbott.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

92. And you called him "Gov. Big Wheels"

I guess by that logic it's okay to call Walker the N word, because I'm sure there are plenty out there that do as well.

[CatWoman]

99. ....

My brother, who lives in Houston, calls Abbott "Gov. Big Wheels".

you're trying too hard, Hon

[Me.]

108. INdeed, But Then Lindsey Thinks He Should Have Special Consideration As He Is A SEnator

Right now he is fighting a subpoena which is asking him to account for his criminal behavior in Georgia. However his suggested law goes even further for women than an intrusion into a sexual life, already women are becomming very ill, in pain or dying because of lack of care and these laws in different states.

[Irish_Dem]

4. Women are not going to shut up. They have a right to speak out.

Women are being subjugated and put in harm's way.

People cannot stand women fighting back.
We are supposed to be quiet and demure.

[onecaliberal]

5. 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

[speak easy]

26. 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 Women are not going play nice anymore.

I disagree with her line of attack, but support her right to say it. Lives are on the line.

[onecaliberal]

41. People are fed up, I'm sick of them being told how to react. Their rights are on the line.

[cilla4progress]

6. I agree.

OTOH ...the particular gounds and victims of Grahams's attack do beggar the question: what does he personally know of the subject of his oppression? Has he any experience at all with the subject, direct knowledge, to inform his position? To provide him empathy?

How would you balance it?

[Me.]

11. Quite

he isn't even an expert on the technical aspects of a female body and the long/wide ranging consequences of this law.

[leftyladyfrommo]

8. I don't think it's homophobic if it's true. nt

[AZSkiffyGeek]

54. And you know it's true how?

[IbogaProject]

10. A more polite way to cover the issue

Just emphasize he isn't a woman so can never feel the pain or damage of pregnancy. And then as a life long "bachelor" he hasn't even had to deal with it tangentially.
Their line of attack is immature and insensitive. An emotionally healthy gay or lesbian person probably understands choice and individual decisions quite well.

[onecaliberal]

14. The woman who said it, is gay. I will defer to her.

[Bucky]

17. That would be so much smarter than getting down into the gutter with them

Her type of arguing will turn off so many more voters than it will convince. This stuff argument is just dumb dumb dumb.

[Mike Nelson]

13. Well...

... Judy Gold is wrong on different levels. I realize what she is trying to say, of course... she is also wrong in that seeing or not a vagina (her code for gayness) determines a man's position on issues.

[Bucky]

15. I am very uncomfortable with that line of attack.

I don't think "They would do it, so we should do it too" works here. This just provides more ammo for the "both-sides-ism" bullshit.

Reinforcing the idea that there's something disqualifying about being gay, especially when it's an unsubstantiated rumor, snacks of desperation and a lack of moral compass

[Bucky]

29. I think we should attack Graham on his character, or lack thereof

Playground insults about his personal life don't help the cause.

I mean, after all, aren't we opposed to his fascist anti-abortion bill precisely because it's morally wrong to get into other people's private business?

Why then turn around and do what we're just now arguing is wrong. Why try to prove the people who play the "both sides" game are correct?

[CatWoman]

33. it's not about "both sides"

It's about calling them on their bullshit

[Bucky]

40. Again, you can call them on their BS without approving their immorality

And how are you going to call them on their bullshit if we respond bullshit of our own?

Sorry, but fighting to win requires smart tactics as well as anger

[SunSeeker]

47. Pointing out his hypocrisy is not bullshit.

He is a closeted gay man in an anti-LGBTQ party (actually a cult) who seeks to strip women of their freedom, all so he can appease his right wing base (who have always been suspicious of him). Why is pointing that out "bullshit"?

[AZSkiffyGeek]

56. You know he's gay?

[SunSeeker]

67. I've read enough to make my own conclusions.

https://www.washingtonblade.com/2020/10/16/the-sad-closeted-hypocrisy-of-lindsey-graham/

[AZSkiffyGeek]

68. So you don't have proof - gotcha

Thanks for clarifying with an opinion piece that uses the word “rumor”.

[SunSeeker]

77. Gayness is not a crime. It need not be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

And there has been a lot more than "rumor." I believe Sean Harding.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

78. Very noble to say it's not a crime and then attack someone for it

[SunSeeker]

79. Nobody is attacking Lindsey Graham for being gay. They're attacking his hypocrisy. nt

[AZSkiffyGeek]

81. Then why not call him a hypocrite?

Rather than calling him gay. If you mean to say he’s a hypocrite it’s a lot clearer to make your point by just saying that.

[SunSeeker]

83. It's clearer to say why he is a hypocrite.

Just say a politician is a hypocrite isn't much of a point.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

89. So the only way you can make your point is with homophobic talking points?

Kind of a weak argument then.

[Paladin]

71. +1000. We should have learned this a long time ago. (nt)

[AZSkiffyGeek]

90. Because we don't mock gays enough?

Just want to make sure your point is clear. We lose elections because people get upset at homophobic language.

[CatWoman]

51. LOL

fuck Lindsay Graham

[Arazi]

72. +1 million

[Ms. Toad]

88. So being gay is a character trait, is it?

One which can be bandied about as an insult?

You can do what you want elsewhere - but per EarlG, not on DU.

While I'm on the subject, please knock off the "Lindsey Graham is gay/a woman" jokes. Most of you have figured this out by now, and DU Juries actually have a pretty solid track record of removing these posts, but you know what would be even better? If we didn't have to send such bigoted "jokes" to Juries in the first place.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215969127

[CatWoman]

93. I never said that. This is what I said

People like Graham needs to be constantly called out on his character and his bullshit. They do it in a heartbeat -- even going so far to make shit up.

[Lunabell]

111. That was not stalking.

And I wasn't picking a fight. You don't get it at all. Your homophobia disgusts me and I called you and others out and you didn't like it. The post was hidden as it should have been.

And furthermore you chose to attack me personally by telling me I needed to take valium. Classy.

[cilla4progress]

19. Heres a good approach, I think

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[CatWoman]

23. That is a good approach

[SunSeeker]

25. This one is even better:

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[CatWoman]

27. OMG!!! Too funny!!!

"a partridge in a pear tree"

[Bucky]

42. This is perfect

[niyad]

75. Exactly.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

86. So gay men shouldn't support abortion either?

[CatWoman]

100. why would they not?

odd question..................

[AZSkiffyGeek]

103. Because it's family planning policy

And according to "Jon Cooper Tweets" gay men shouldn't have a say in it?
If they're not allowed to oppose abortion because it doesn't affect them, why are they allowed to support it?

Not to mention that it isn't about "family planning," but bodily autonomy. But that's more nuance than I'd expect from a Twitter pundit.

[demmiblue]

28. Unrec. (btw, another thread on this topic was removed).

The person who posted it is posting in this thread.

[CatWoman]

34. see post 16

[demmiblue]

44. ...

[CatWoman]

48. ....

[Paladin]

30. Ooo! Public discussion and joking about the worst-kept "secret" in Washington D.C.?

Graham's outrageous proposal for a national abortion law makes him fair game. Democrats owe him absolutely nothing in the way of an apology for that panel's comments. If you feel differently, you're just granting the Republicans yet another undeserved and dangerous victory.

[Emile]

38. Being gay is not something to shame or embarrass someone with.

[alphafemale]

52. Lindy is advocating that women and girls bleed out and die

And you are worried about his feelings.

Everyone already knows Lindy has an affection for young boys.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

61. So he's now a pedophile too?

I’d like to know where all this public knowledge is coming from. Because all I see are rumors being used to attack someone’s sexuality.
But that’s okay because people disagree with him.
Does that mean we can start calling Walker the “N”word?

[SunSeeker]

60. He is not being shamed for his gayness, but his cowardice and hypocrisy.

And the fact that he has no business (and certainly no expertise) justifying him telling women what to do about their pregnancies..

BTW, Judy Gold is gay.

[FreeState]

73. Note being LGBT doesn't make your comments

Not homophobic or automatically appropriate for DU.I’m a gay man and I find it offensive and have been assured over and over that implying he’s gay in DU is not allowed.

[Sympthsical]

102. Are there any other LGBT people who can be used as human shields in this?

I would've cautioned against going down this road from the start, but since you're happily skipping down it already, maybe turn back?

Or are we nah on this one?

[Mr. Ected]

59. None of us has any proof as to Graham's sexual proclivities, just rumor and intuition

The better way to chop him down to size is to denigrate his policy choices, not his personal choices.

Sure, it's the easy put-down, but no need for cheap shots. We're better than that.

[SunSeeker]

69. How is pointing out hypocrisy a cheap shot? Gay peo have been pointing out his hypocrisy for years.

https://www.washingtonblade.com/2020/10/16/the-sad-closeted-hypocrisy-of-lindsey-graham/

[Brainfodder]

76. Lindsey with his flip flopping on his flip flopping on his flip flopping + dig this: KAVANAUGH face!

IMHO He especially should have already because of above+, been interrogated?

What do these assholes have to do?

There is video of him clearly contradicting himself, and other video of him warning us not to believe him, which was super ODD then as it is now?

If we get a media truth law, this crap can mostly go away.
These assholes would label something NOT media just so they can keep on with the BS?

That where we are at?

[Iggo]

115. Wouldn't matter if we did.

Or would it?

[betsuni]

87. I'm still hoping the ghost of John McCain is haunting Lindsey Graham.

[Iggo]

95. I thought I hid this thread already.

Rack ‘em up!

[AZSkiffyGeek]

97. At least this time I got to see the offending Tweet before it was locked.

Not to worry though, there's a third one starting as well...

[Iggo]

98. This time I'll note the apologists.

[Sympthsical]

101. I see it's Straight Allies Explain Acceptable Homophobia o'clock again

Just imagine - it's hard, but let's try - if a white person declared themselves an ally of PoC (they may note they even have PoC friends or family while doing this) and then explained to PoC why it's ok for them to bandy about racist terms and attacks as long as it's against the "right ones."

How long do we think before a collective head explosion? Few minutes? Few seconds?

And yet, somehow, that is always and forever the case with the LGBT community.

That bumper sticker you're managing isn't a hall pass.

[Iggo]

114. Goddam right.

[Fiendish Thingy]

116. There's got to be a better way of pointing out LG's closeted hypocrisy. Nt

[EarlG]

118. HA HA LINDSEY GRAHAM IS GAY, GET IT??

Making homophobic jokes about Lindsey Graham is acceptable because he's attacking women's sex lives, so his is fair game.

WRONG.

Making homophobic jokes about Lindsey Graham is acceptable because we can't beat Republicans unless we sink to their level.

WRONG.

Making homophobic jokes about Lindsey Graham is acceptable because he's a hypocrite.

WRONG.

Making homophobic jokes about Lindsey Graham is acceptable if they're true.

WRONG.

Making homophobic jokes about Lindsey Graham is acceptable because he's powerful so it's punching up.

WRONG.

Making homophobic jokes about Lindsey Graham is acceptable because the woman who started it is gay.

WRONG.

Locking, with disgust and disappointment at the people in this thread who still think making homophobic jokes about Lindsey Graham is okay on DU.