Spreading/applauding homophobic content on DU, regardless of source, is...

[demmiblue]

42 votes, 4 passes | Time left: Unlimited
	Totally fine when it is directed at someone I don't like/downright abhor.
	0 (0%)
	Unacceptable, even when it is directed at someone I don't like/downright abhor.
	26 (62%)
	I can't believe this is even a question.
	2 (5%)
	Both #2 and #3.
	12 (29%)
	Robb is long gone... we need a new dingbat.
	2 (5%)
	4 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[vanlassie]

1. I am not homophobic and I will criticize Lindsey Graham

for sticking his nose in women’s health matters just as I would do if he told me I shouldn’t nurse my three year old or have a home birth. He is a single man with no life experience to get involved. He is making himself the Point Man. He deserves all scorn. If I say he couldn’t find a vagina it is not homophobia. It’s pure scorn for his sheer nerve.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

2. If you say so...

[SalviaBlue]

4. I agree, Lindsay should be scorned for pretty much everything he says.

But especially for spouting up about women’s issues. Pointing out that he is highly unqualified to speak about vaginas does not make one homophobic.

[Hortensis]

5. Well, perhaps you can find a way to criticize without reference to

LGBetc, who really don't deserve being associated with him, even if it is just to insult him as like them.

[vanlassie]

6. I know several OBGYNS who I have said should never be

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allowed near vaginas. Not sure if they were gay or straight tho… but I also don’t know if Lindsey is gay or straight. I DO know he’s a monster.

[Lunabell]

3. You don't get a pass on homophobia because you're gay.

Or misogyny because you're a woman. Or racism because you're black. Or xenophobia because you're an immigrant.

It doesn't work that way at all. Plus, I'll bet most of the people on DU applauding what Judy Gold says are not LGBTQ. So, if you're not LGBTQ and double down on this homophobia, you need to shut the fuck up.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

7. I have been assured many, many times on here that homophobia is okay when used to mock someone

who is abhorrent for other reasons, or if the person is (or is perceived to be) in some way a hypocrite. This goes for other forms of bigotry, such as fatphobia and ableism. It has been explained to me that this is a Very Important tactic that absolutely must be allowed because Democrats need to stop being nice and bigotry is a fine weapon when aimed only at certain people, and that in no way does bigotry ever hurt people on our side. Also, hypocrisy is apparently the worst thing a person can do and using bigoted language to point it out is fine and admirable!! The thing is, this reasoning never seems to apply to racism (I've asked), so I guess the whole thing is just beyond me.

[Lunabell]

8. Yep.

That sounds about right. So, we can't call Herschel Walker the "n" word on DU, but we can mock Graham's alleged sexuality because we don't like him. Makes so much sense.

[demmiblue]

9. Damn, Earl!

[TygrBright]

10. An option needs to be added: "Totally predictable."

Fat-shaming is still cool here, as far as I can tell. In fact, ANY kind of denigration based on physical characteristics seems to get a pass (except -mostly- skin color).

Putdowns based on someone's spiritual beliefs/lack thereof seem to go down well also.

And let's not forget the rationalist vs more-things-in-heaven-and-earth wars that erupt from time to time. (I can't remember whether "w**" ever made it to the TOSable list.)

People are gonna find ways to insult people, and a lot of time they're gonna fall back on differences to do so, even though "This person is a fundamentally awful person" works perfectly well.

We will never eliminate all of it, that's why we have TOS, juries, mods, and hopefully, continual small progress, even if it will never be enough/fast enough for all of us.

But we have to keep on calling it out when we see it.

wearily,
Bright

[sarisataka]

11. This,

Given the options I could only choose other

[Kali]

12. what have I missed now?

links?

[demmiblue]

13. ...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17192724


Two other ones were removed.

[Kali]

14. oh jeez.

Poor EarlG. when the fuck are we gonna quit with the gay Lindsey (and prison rape) shit?

[BlackSkimmer]

16. People doubling down on it right here in this thread.

I’ve been here a long time, and imo, it’s been getting worse. A shame.

[kcr]

15. My choice wasn't in the poll

I choose to stand with members of a community that are rightfully pointing out hypocrisy.