per CNN: U.S. Embassy Warns Americans to leave Russia now

[JohnSJ]

"Security alert for Americans in Russia

Russia may refuse to acknowledge dual nations' U.S. citzenship, deny their access to U.S. consular assistance, prevent their departure from Russia, and conscript dual nationals for military service...
and those residing or travelling in Russia should depart Russia immediately while limited commercial travel options remain"

They can be arrested on the street and taken into custody

[lindysalsagal]

1. Um, am I the only one who is thinking

if you're still in russia you're a total fool? Ok ok there are government people who need to be there, but even business people should have left by now.

[Effete Snob]

4. probably because you don't understand all the various situations

There are US citizens living in Russia who have nowhere to go in the US, because their home, job and family is in Russia.

All around the world, there are US citizens who have never set foot in the United States.

One of the ways to be born a US citizen is to be born anywhere on the planet and have a parent who (a) is an adult US citizen at the time of the birth and who (b) was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a period of five years, including two after turning age 14.

Condition (b) prevents succeeding generations of US citizens born abroad.

The births of a lot of qualifying persons are reported to the local US consulate by the parents to secure US citizenship for the child, which the child can renounce later on. Many do renounce if they have no desire to live in the US and don't want to pay US income taxes.

There are all kinds of situations. There are people of various ancestries who grow up in the US and then marry and raise a family in another country, and so on.

[Eugene]

5. Russian-American dual nationals may have family or other strong links not easily walked away from.

This is a final warning to get out while they can.

[Effete Snob]

6. And nowhere to go to in the US

I guess people assume any US citizen living abroad is a tourist.

[haele]

14. One grandchild's school friends was in Russia last year to take care of grandmother.

She was born in the US; her mom was a successful computer engineer who could work from anywhere and Moscow was where she was originally from.
They're now all (even very sick grandma) living in France with her father's distant cousins now because "Moscow is Crazy" and the girl being a dual citizen speaking little Russian was becoming publically noticable and she was getting bullied. It was bad enough they left in June.

They're lucky the the ex and his family are still friendly. They'd probably still be waiting to get Grandma out of Moscow if they were depending on dual citizenship and prior visas to get back to the US.

Haele

[Tickle]

23. I am surprised we are still there nt

[Ouroborosnek]

2. Found the article to reference

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/28/politics/us-embassy-russia-warns-americans-leave/index.html

Scary stuff hope people heed the warning and leave before too late.

[doc03]

3. They have to be told to leave Russia? nt

[Effete Snob]

7. How would you like to be three years in to a four year degree program there?

How would you like to have a wife, a house and a job there, and nowhere to live in the US?

How would you like to be five years in to a six year employment contract under which most of your pay for the contract is held until completion?

How would you like to be judged by strangers a world away with no conception of your circumstances?

[msfiddlestix]

10. Huh? Americans are being warned and advised to come back home now.

U.S. Citizens. Our peeps who are there for whatever reasons, officially or touristy.

[Effete Snob]

11. Or they were born there and have never been to the US

There are US citizens who were born in Russia and have never been anywhere else. Their family, jobs and everything are there. That's where they live.

[msfiddlestix]

12. Do I understand you correctly? There are Russians who became Citizens who have never left Russia,

so they became U.S. Citizens in their country of birth, but never left their country of birth to make their home here?

?????

[dsc]

15. If you are born to a US citizen

who has spent at least 5 years in the US, then you are a citizen even if you are born on Mars.

[msfiddlestix]

21. Fair point.

Still, in the context of what the hell has been happening in the past several months and even longer, it seems rather obvious it was "time to leave" long before now, certainly in the past few months and weeks.

I'm only stunned that the warning is currently being issued now, as it looks like it may just be a tad bit late.

But hey, just inferring from current reports on Russian aggression front in the past week or so.

[haele]

16. Russians born from US Citizens who stayed in Russia after the Soviet Union broke up.

There could easily be some twenty/thirty year old dual citizens who never left Russia because the American parents were working in, say, Petroleum and that's where the parents were 'experts'.
They may have taken a few family trips back to the states, but mom or dad's job was in Tjakistsn or someplace like that as a company rep or a vendor for Catapillar or something like that, so that's where the kid was born and raised.
It happens here all the time with American born children of H1B visa workers, especially those in the tech or science fields .

Haele

[Effete Snob]

18. And don't forget children of divorced parents

A lot of people cannot understand life stories other than their own.

[Effete Snob]

17. Yes, that's right

There are US citizens who were BORN US citizens in Russia and have never been to the US. They "never left" because most children don't decide to go live in some other country.

There are people like that all over the world.

The State Department has issued a statement to such people that their US citizenship may not protect them from being conscripted.

[Effete Snob]

19. You see this guy:

The person pictured above was born in Colon, Panama.

And, no, being born on a US military base does not make you a US citizen. Foreign employees and contractors of the US military give birth in US base facilities all of the time.

He was a US citizen because he was born to US citizens. In Panama.

If his parents stayed in Panama, then he would have grown up in Panama, lived in Panama, never traveled to the US, and STILL be a US citizen who was born a US citizen, and eligible to run for president (provided he eventually moved the US for fourteen years).

The really amazing part is that if you read the Constitution:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

They obviously knew there would be adult US citizens who have not lived much of their lives in the United States, so they added a 14 year residency requirement.

[Hortensis]

22. Right. A lot of people are also doing significant work they believe in

that'd be devasted by being abandoned. They weigh their risks. Dual Am-Russian citizenship could lead to conscription for an able-bodied person.

Occurs to me to wonder, if someone was willing to risk becoming conscripted into the Russian military, if it came to it, how might the U.S. view that service when he wanted to return to the U.S.?

But, as you suggest, maximal safety and compliance with non-mandatory warnings are often not the most important considerations.

[msfiddlestix]

9. Right?

I'm kind of gobsmacked this wasn't officially done months ago.

But yeah, duh.

[msfiddlestix]

8. I'm a little bit stunned this warning is being issued now, isn't it rather late?

I haven't read every single article on the Russian Agression front, but enough to know traveling out of country is has been severely restricted for a time now, and of course who couldn't see that coming months ago?

seriously, wow.

[Happy Hoosier]

13. Up to now, a U.S. Passport has made a difference.

Apparently, the State Dept now has info that tis may soon no longer be the case.

[Traildogbob]

20. Does that include Tucker

Or any trump? Tucker and Shipero should go volunteer for their motherland, and use some of their manly masculinity to help daddy Poot Poot save Russia.
Lots of Americans there now are probably GQP operatives coordinating 2022-2024 election outcomes.