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Nevilledog

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Wed Sep 28, 2022, 03:37 PM Sep 2022

Is This the Beginning of the End of the Internet?



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"..under the logic of the ruling, it very well could be illegal to update Wikipedia in Texas, because any user attempt to add to a page could be deemed an act of censorship based on the viewpoint of that user (which the law forbids)." @cwarzel

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Is This the Beginning of the End of the Internet?
How a single Texas ruling could change the web forever
11:33 AM · Sep 28, 2022


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/09/netchoice-paxton-first-amendment-social-media-content-moderation/671574/

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Occasionally, something happens that is so blatantly and obviously misguided that trying to explain it rationally makes you sound ridiculous. Such is the case with the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals’s recent ruling in NetChoice v. Paxton. Earlier this month, the court upheld a preposterous Texas law stating that online platforms with more than 50 million monthly active users in the United States no longer have First Amendment rights regarding their editorial decisions. Put another way, the law tells big social-media companies that they can’t moderate the content on their platforms. YouTube purging terrorist-recruitment videos? Illegal. Twitter removing a violent cell of neo-Nazis harassing people with death threats? Sorry, that’s censorship, according to Andy Oldham, a judge of the United States Court of Appeals and the former general counsel to Texas Governor Greg Abbott.

A state compelling social-media companies to host all user content without restrictions isn’t merely, as the First Amendment litigation lawyer Ken White put it on Twitter, “the most angrily incoherent First Amendment decision I think I’ve ever read.” It’s also the type of ruling that threatens to blow up the architecture of the internet. To understand why requires some expertise in First Amendment law and content-moderation policy, and a grounding in what makes the internet a truly transformational technology. So I called up some legal and tech-policy experts and asked them to explain the Fifth Circuit ruling—and its consequences—to me as if I were a precocious 5-year-old with a strange interest in jurisprudence.

Techdirt founder Mike Masnick, who has been writing for decades about the intersection of tech policy and civil liberties, told me that the ruling is “fractally wrong”—made up of so many layers of wrongness that, in order to fully comprehend its significance, “you must understand the historical wrongness before the legal wrongness, before you can get to the technical wrongness.” In theory, the ruling means that any state in the Fifth Circuit (such as Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi) could “mandate that news organizations must cover certain politicians or certain other content” and even implies that “the state can now compel any speech it wants on private property.” The law would allow both the Texas attorney general and private citizens who do business in Texas to bring suit against the platforms if they feel their content was removed because of a specific viewpoint. Daphne Keller, the director of the Program on Platform Regulation at Stanford’s Cyber Policy Center, told me that such a law could amount to “a litigation DDoS [Denial of Service] attack, unleashing a wave of potentially frivolous and serious suits against the platforms.”

To give me a sense of just how sweeping and nonsensical the law could be in practice, Masnick suggested that, under the logic of the ruling, it very well could be illegal to update Wikipedia in Texas, because any user attempt to add to a page could be deemed an act of censorship based on the viewpoint of that user (which the law forbids). The same could be true of chat platforms, including iMessage and Reddit, and perhaps also Discord, which is built on tens of thousands of private chat rooms run by private moderators. Enforcement at that scale is nearly impossible. This week, to demonstrate the absurdity of the law and stress test possible Texas enforcement, the subreddit r/PoliticalHumor mandated that every comment in the forum include the phrase “Greg Abbott is a little piss baby” or be deleted. “We realized what a ripe situation this is, so we’re going to flagrantly break this law,” a moderator of the subreddit wrote. “We like this Constitution thing. Seems like it has some good ideas.”

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Is This the Beginning of the End of the Internet? (Original Post) Nevilledog Sep 2022 OP
I'm in dweller Sep 2022 #1
The alice in wonderland logic of today's right wing. Jim__ Sep 2022 #2
They just bound from one petulant $hitfest Cosmocat Sep 2022 #12
Kick dalton99a Sep 2022 #3
Sounds like a race to the bottom. Maybe Texas needs Gaugamela Sep 2022 #4
Super Hi-speed Internet of Texas TheBlackAdder Sep 2022 #15
That is just dumb. Brainfodder Sep 2022 #5
The easiest move is just to cut off Texas... Ohio Joe Sep 2022 #6
You know what? MontanaMama Sep 2022 #9
Links to some of the Twitter accounts mentioned: mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2022 #7
The goal is to gridlock and destroy the Judiciary to enable fascism to take control. Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2022 #8
This!! onetexan Sep 2022 #14
FUCK TEXAS Warpy Sep 2022 #10
More of he said, she said legal thinking from the W. Bush/Alito/Trump wing of judicial malpractice Ford_Prefect Sep 2022 #11
Texas is why we can't have nice things. n/t TygrBright Sep 2022 #13

Cosmocat

(15,424 posts)
12. They just bound from one petulant $hitfest
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 06:22 PM
Sep 2022

To the next, w not even the first thought ov it's implications.

Gaugamela

(3,511 posts)
4. Sounds like a race to the bottom. Maybe Texas needs
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 03:50 PM
Sep 2022

its own private internet to go along with its private electric grid.

Ohio Joe

(21,898 posts)
6. The easiest move is just to cut off Texas...
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 03:59 PM
Sep 2022

Any website this impacts should simply prevent any Texas interaction. Sorry, website not available in Texas.

mahatmakanejeeves

(69,852 posts)
7. Links to some of the Twitter accounts mentioned:
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 04:01 PM
Sep 2022
Mike Masnick Retweeted

The Fifth Circuit ruling is "fractally wrong—made up of so many layers of wrongness that...you must understand the historical wrongness before the legal wrongness, before you can get to the technical wrongness.” per
@mmasnick
via
@cwarzel

theatlantic.com
Is This the Beginning of the End of the Internet?
How a single Texas ruling could change the web forever

FullAndAccurateHat Retweeted

Wrote this yesterday, about "cancel culture" and the best the people who disagree with it seem able to say is "nuh uh."




Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
8. The goal is to gridlock and destroy the Judiciary to enable fascism to take control.
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 04:08 PM
Sep 2022

The radicalized Republican party seeks complete control. All three branches of our government, public education, and elections are in their way.

Roe, Roe, Roe your vote
against theocracy!
Republicans revoke your rights
and kill democracy!

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Warpy

(114,615 posts)
10. FUCK TEXAS
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 05:59 PM
Sep 2022

OK, I feel better.

One hopes their next lege is willing to overturn most of Abbott's crap.

Ford_Prefect

(8,612 posts)
11. More of he said, she said legal thinking from the W. Bush/Alito/Trump wing of judicial malpractice
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 06:09 PM
Sep 2022

The Federalist Society strikes again at reasoned legal authority to subvert it with decisions and legalisms straight from the book of corporate theocracy's chapter on how to tie legal authority in knots.

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