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LetMyPeopleVote

(179,869 posts)
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 09:14 AM Sep 2022

Lizzo played a Founding Father's flute and conservatives lost their minds

The racists in the MAGA movements are proud to display their racism



https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/why-lizzo-playing-james-madison-s-crystal-flute-not-controversial-n1299179

Until roughly 11:30 a.m. last Friday, it’s safe to say that the number of people who knew that President James Madison once owned a crystal flute — let alone that it’s now in the possession of the Library of Congress — could likely fit comfortably inside a high school auditorium. (Honestly, maybe even a classroom.) That was when the librarian of Congress, Carla Hayden, tweeted out an invite to singer, rapper and classically trained flutist Lizzo to check out Madison’s flute and the rest of the library’s collection while she was in town for a concert.




Fast-forward a week and suddenly people have thoughts about the propriety and sanctity of Lizzo gleefully playing a few notes on that flute on a stage in Washington on Tuesday. It’s somehow a tragedy and a scandal that anyone would dare be so crass as to remove a Founding Father’s obscure tchotchke from its place of safekeeping to be used as a prop for a twerking symbol of America’s moral decadence.

When I say “people,” what I really mean is “a handful of men who love to be mad on the internet.” And their sudden surge of interest in early American musical instrument lore is as transparent as the crystal flute itself.

The backstory of how the flute went from a hidden-away catalog to appearing on stage in Lizzo’s hands is actually pretty heartwarming. She accepted Hayden’s offer to visit the library’s extensive collection of flutes, spending three hours on Monday exploring and trying out the instruments on hand, according to The New York Times. That included the crystal flute that Hayden had teased in her tweet — and which the superstar asked if she could play during her D.C. performance on Tuesday.



......These outraged screams aren’t because the flute could have been damaged, or because Tuesday’s performance cheapened the monetary or historical value of the item or denigrates Madison’s legacy. Instead, they are mad because someone who is living her life as unapologetically fat, Black and female dared have a good time in public. They are mad because something that was once owned by a slaveholding Virginian aristocrat would be introduced to America as part of a concert where Lizzo dared jiggle her ass for a second or two while playing it.

The anger directed at her feels like a direct offshoot of the reactionary backlash that we’ve seen to Blackness in pop culture in recent weeks. If anything, Lizzo — who declared to her audience after returning the flute “HISTORY IS SO FREAKING COOL!” — showed more reverence and respect for history in her time at the Library of Congress than many of the conservatives who would prefer to see America’s backstory sanitized into a homogenous sludge of patriotic but ahistorical hero worship.

Do these cranks actually believe what they’re saying? I have doubts — what we’re seeing is the online equivalent of an involuntary spasm in a muscle touched with an electrical wire. But do prominent commentators like Shapiro know that their audiences will have felt a reflexive feeling of revulsion toward Lizzo and want to capitalize on it? Absolutely.

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Lizzo played a Founding Father's flute and conservatives lost their minds (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2022 OP
Sounded great... multigraincracker Sep 2022 #1
I was hoping someone would post video of her playing. GoCubsGo Sep 2022 #2
Lizzo is concert trained LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2022 #23
I have not been aware of... 2naSalit Sep 2022 #3
About twenty years ago.. luvs2sing Sep 2022 #4
I've actually met Regina Carter. llmart Sep 2022 #19
I met her once, too. luvs2sing Sep 2022 #20
✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ n/t msfiddlestix Oct 2022 #27
It wouldn't have been such a conservative sin if she was white. Chainfire Sep 2022 #5
911: This is Karen, I'd like to report a flute...... LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2022 #24
They Hunt for Hate. That's all they do. chowder66 Sep 2022 #6
Wonder why it bothered the sensitive snowflakes? Kid Berwyn Sep 2022 #7
The greatest telling of that story in 20th century song DFW Oct 2022 #31
Vielen Dank fuer eine unvergessliche Geschichte ueber Gerechtigkeit. Kid Berwyn Oct 2022 #33
This is off topic for sure, Prairie_Seagull Sep 2022 #8
I never mind seeing Yiddish terms in articles LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2022 #11
Owning the pukes Traildogbob Sep 2022 #9
An American tradition. Marcuse Sep 2022 #10
What An Idiotic Thing To Be Upset About ProfessorGAC Sep 2022 #12
Obviously, it's been kept in a playable condition chowmama Sep 2022 #21
but this was okay according to them... from a congressperson and a president: IcyPeas Sep 2022 #13
Performing dwnsouth Sep 2022 #14
Provocative headline, buried the lede and factually fizzles... TheProle Sep 2022 #15
I would have loved to have heard that in person! Thanks for posting! Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2022 #16
Jesus. These people can't help themselves Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2022 #17
It is more that being a racist asshole is a positive to the MAGA/TFG fan club base LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2022 #18
She visited the Library Monday & played several of the flutes in our collection LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2022 #22
"Your Honor, I refer you to the case of Cooties versus Water Fountain circa 1956." chriscan64 Oct 2022 #25
But it was okay for Taylor Swift to plat Ben Franklin's piano Norbert Oct 2022 #26
Lizzo triggering the racists LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2022 #28
The video was great! Thanks, LMPV. Hortensis Oct 2022 #29
She's a really good flutist ribrepin Oct 2022 #30
That looks like it was in the Jefferson Building of the L.O.C. DFW Oct 2022 #32

GoCubsGo

(34,914 posts)
2. I was hoping someone would post video of her playing.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 09:42 AM
Sep 2022

Damn, she's good! The right-wing morality police are as jealous as they are hypocritical and self-righteous.

I had no idea Lizzo was a classically-trained flutist. Impressive.

2naSalit

(102,793 posts)
3. I have not been aware of...
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 09:48 AM
Sep 2022

Lizzo until a recent award show, haven't heard her music of fame yet but I certainly have an appreciation for her given her talent with this instrument. She sounded wonderful and played some astute vignettes quite well, just off the top of her head. If I were her, I would have been excited to be invited to such an opportunity, like when I was able to sing in some very noted rooms in southern England, it was chance-in-a-lifetime stuff. She obviously was excited and showed appropriate respect, anyone who is trained on an instrument is also aware of the care and respect needed to keep it in good condition.

I am glad she was able to do that, I now know about the flute and more about Lizzo all in one event. And I am favorably impressed with the artist, will probably check out her music sooner than later.



Clearly it is the color of her skin that all the hoopla is about. The racism needs to end.

luvs2sing

(2,234 posts)
4. About twenty years ago..
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 10:02 AM
Sep 2022

Black jazz violinist, Regina Carter, made a couple amazing albums playing the Paganini violin. Now I am dreaming of a duet between her and Lizzo. It would be soooo cool!

llmart

(17,622 posts)
19. I've actually met Regina Carter.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 08:32 PM
Sep 2022

She is an amazing woman and an even more amazing talent.

luvs2sing

(2,234 posts)
20. I met her once, too.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 08:42 PM
Sep 2022

I was working in a violin shop, and she came in to get her bows rehaired before her concert that night. We gave her a tour of the shop. She seemed surprised we all knew who she was and were coming to her show.

The Paginini album is still one of my favorites even though I haven’t touched a fiddle in years.

Kid Berwyn

(24,395 posts)
7. Wonder why it bothered the sensitive snowflakes?
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 11:14 AM
Sep 2022


Thought they, of all scum, would appreciate the original ratfucker.

DFW

(60,186 posts)
31. The greatest telling of that story in 20th century song
Sun Oct 2, 2022, 05:05 AM
Oct 2022

Last edited Sun Oct 2, 2022, 05:57 AM - Edit history (1)



I don't know where a translation can be found, but this must be 40 years old by now, and Hannes Wader still fills concert halls for this song alone. In German, the Pied Piper is called "Der Rattenfänger," or "the rat catcher." The Republicans would definitely NOT like this version of the story, since in this version, they (the authorities of Hameln) come off as being worse than the rats themselves.

*on edit--I found an English translation, A few words were mistakenly translated (e.g. the children of Hameln weren't dispelled around the world, but rather dispersed around the world), so I made a few corrections. For decades, it has been my fantasy to write an English version of Wader's masterpiece that would fit lyrically into his song, but it's a monumental job, and I never had the patience to complete it.



Almost everyone knows what happened in Hameln, a thousand and one years ago,
how rats lived there, eating everything that was not made of iron.
At that time, after a long journey, I came to this town as a minstrel,
and when I entered the market place, the first thing I heard, was a herald shouting,
who, with the help of God or alone, would rescue the town from the rats,
would be paid a reward of one hundred Talers in gold by the town council.

I took my bundle, my flute and my lyre, and knocked on the town hall gate,
but as soon as they saw me, they slammed the door shut again and put the bolt in place.
And I heard that they told the councilors, there was a man at the gate,
torn and stinking, in colourful rags, with a ring in his ear.
This man now would let the councilors know, that he came from far, far away,
and he'd offer his help to the town, because he were a rat-catcher.

I waited a long time, then a voice shouted through the closed door,
„Kill the rats, and you will get the promised Talers!“
I went and blew my flute at night, only one single tone,
which was so high that only the rats could hear it, and none of them escaped.
Soon the whole squeaking brood followed me into the river Weser,
and then, in the morning, a hundred thousand cadavers floated in the water.

When the citizens of Hameln heard, what had happened during the night,
they danced in the streets, but nobody remembered me.
And when I stood at the town hall again and demanded my pay,
this time again they slammed the gate shut in my face, and mockingly told me,
only the devil could have had a hand in my work,
so it would be only just, if I collected my hundred Talers from him.

But I stayed there and waited for hours in front of that house, until the evening came,
but the councilors, who were sitting inside, didn't dare to come out.
When the night fell, armed fellows approached, a dozen or more,
they hit me in the back with their spears and pushed me around the place.
Outside the town they set their dogs on me, and the beasts did not spare me.
They tore me down, and on top of that, they pissed on my bleeding face.

When the moon was shining, I mended my rags and washed my wounds in the river,
and cried with weakness and anger, until sleep closed my eyes.
But once more I went back to the town, and now I had a plan.
It was Sunday, the citizens were about to go to the church now.
Only the children and the elderly stayed alone this morning,
and my hope was, that the children would be more just than their fathers.

Beforehand I had covered my torn face with colourful paint,
and I had draped my vest with cock feathers, so that the holes could not be seen.
And I played and sang, and the children soon joined me from everywhere,
they indignantly listened to what I sang and never forgot it again.
And the children decided to help me and no longer to just watch,
where injustice happens, but to fight it together from now on.

And the children of Hameln kept their word and they installed a court,
pulled to light their fathers' malice and lies.
And they aroused dismay and shame in their parents,
and because he was ashamed, many a father beat his child almost crooked and lame.
But with every cruelty the courage of the children of the town grew,
and the helpless citizens brought the matter to the high council.

It happened what is still happening today, when calm is more important than justice,
for where the rulers demand calm, it goes badly for those they rule.
So they decided the expulsion of a whole generation.
The dirty action started in the night of the same day.
Bound and gagged, well guarded by their own fathers,
the children of Hameln secretly were brought out of town.

Now there was calm again in the town of Hameln, almost like in a tomb,
but infamy flourished, and the councilors hurriedly drew up a document.
It was added to the town chronicle, sealed by the sovereign,
and it said, that the children had been slain by the rat-catcher.
But the children of Hameln are not dead, only dispersed all over the world,
they also fathered children again, and they told them this story.

Even today, there are people who are still fighting for the rights of the weaker.
These people could be the heirs of the children of Hameln.
But still the lie prevails the truth in this world,
and as long as violence and fear hold the power in their hands,
for so long I can neither die, nor could I rest nor flee,
but as a minstrel and a rat-catcher I must keep on going,
because people still take injustice for the natural state of things.
And still today I stir up the children against that, again and again,
and still today I stir up the children against that, again and again.
https://lyricstranslate.com

Kid Berwyn

(24,395 posts)
33. Vielen Dank fuer eine unvergessliche Geschichte ueber Gerechtigkeit.
Sun Oct 2, 2022, 08:45 AM
Oct 2022

The townspeople preferred the loss of their own children — the Big Lie of calm and order — than to lose control of their privileged status. Such are the exact mindsets and actions taken by too many “adults” today. Thank you, DFW, for an outstanding and unforgettable story.

Dr. Bauer says we use two approaches to convey knowledge: Maps and Stories.



Two Kinds of Knowledge: Maps and Stories

HENRY H. BAUER
Chemistry & Science Studies
Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University
Blacksburg, VA 24061 02/2

Abstract—The most reliable knowledge is map like: "If you do this, then that will always follow." But such knowledge carries little if any inherent human meaning. Most meaningful is story like knowledge, which teaches about morals and values; but about that, agreement cannot be forced by demonstration. Failure to distinguish between the meaningfulness and the re¬liability of knowledge helps to make arguments intractable. It would be very useful always to ask about a bit of claimed knowledge, "Is this more like a story or more like a map ?"

PDF to full article:

http://www.henryhbauer.homestead.com/2kndsweb.pdf



So, to make something memorable requires a good story. Think, "Hansel and Gretel." Parents can't afford to feed their two kids and are forced to abandom them in the forest. Being “unadulterated” humans, the kids don't want that and leave bread crumbs to get back home. Next day, frustrated adults do the same thing, but check their pockets for bread. Kids now get lost and find witch's cottage...etc." The details may not be the same on each telling, but the basic elements are the same.

Complicated things require maps: Owners manual for a car, a map showing the location of towns, roads, bridges, etc. Almost no one can memorize all the details required, hence they must be written down and referenced. The thing is, until the advent of smartphones, no one could carry around a reference library with them.

OTOH: Hear a good story ONCE -- as a kid or as an adult -- and we don't forget. That's why today’s Republicans are so quick to lie. Majorly Traitor Greede, for instance, explained to a crowd recently that Democrats were planning to kill Republicans and have actually started their plot. It’s gonna take hundred times the ink and air time of truth to counter that Little Lie. Before then, though, they’re already on to the next one.

Glad for Democracy our side has truth tellers. It’s how we keep the rats from destroying ourselves.

Prairie_Seagull

(4,689 posts)
8. This is off topic for sure,
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 11:42 AM
Sep 2022

but I loved the word "tchotchke" in your work. I use it all the time and my university graduated kids have picked it up now. I can thank Klinger (of mash fame) for that. Just a little thing in a meaningful story.

Traildogbob

(13,018 posts)
9. Owning the pukes
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 11:58 AM
Sep 2022

Love it, but never gonna drink those toxic tears. Maybe use em as weed killer instead of Roundup.
More please. She should have had a confederate flag on her butt and twerked it in their faces.

Marcuse

(9,010 posts)
10. An American tradition.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 12:09 PM
Sep 2022
Eighty years ago Tuesday, contralto singer Marian Anderson performed on the steps on the Lincoln Memorial, after being refused the largest indoor stage in Washington because she was black. It was a remarkable moment in civil rights and U.S.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/04/09/she-sang-with-her-eyes-closed-concert-lincoln-memorial-that-changed-america/

ProfessorGAC

(76,706 posts)
12. What An Idiotic Thing To Be Upset About
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 04:26 PM
Sep 2022

It's a musical instrument. It was meant to play music. She's a trained musician. She played that flute.
If any of that upsets somebody, that somebody is a moron.

chowmama

(1,096 posts)
21. Obviously, it's been kept in a playable condition
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 10:40 PM
Sep 2022

Thank the gods. Most instruments have to be played regularly or they deteriorate. (I'm not sure about a crystal flute, but...)

Yeah, they're morons. Between the quality of the instrument and the skill of the player, that was a really great sound and something to be appreciated. They're screaming desecration, I'm saying respect.

I'm afraid my first response to the snowflakes was NSFW. They're perfectly willing to consider a black woman laying hands on a white man's instrument. But this is Not! what they had in mind. It's all about uppity.

Like they could accomplish anything of the sort. They'd screw up a kazoo.

IcyPeas

(25,475 posts)
13. but this was okay according to them... from a congressperson and a president:
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:10 PM
Sep 2022

and storming the capitol was okay too. hang mike pence was okay too. grab em by the pussy was okay too. all the shit don jr. spews...... this list could go on for days.








TheProle

(3,982 posts)
15. Provocative headline, buried the lede and factually fizzles...
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:38 PM
Sep 2022
When I say “people,” what I really mean is “a handful of men who love to be mad on the internet.” And their sudden surge of interest in early American musical instrument lore is as transparent as the crystal flute itself.


I know people love their culture wars, but this is a tempest in a teapot.

EDITED TO ADD: https://news.yahoo.com/fans-mixed-feelings-over-lizzo-204914557.html


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Hassin Bin Sober

(27,461 posts)
17. Jesus. These people can't help themselves
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 07:04 PM
Sep 2022

These guys had me cracked up over the issue:

“The famous flute that we all definitely knew about before Lizzo played it!”

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,869 posts)
18. It is more that being a racist asshole is a positive to the MAGA/TFG fan club base
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 08:02 PM
Sep 2022

Not being a racist is a negative factor to these assholes

chriscan64

(1,789 posts)
25. "Your Honor, I refer you to the case of Cooties versus Water Fountain circa 1956."
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 08:02 AM
Oct 2022

Gimme a break. I just learned that James Madison had a crystal flute. These idiots just learned we have a Library of Congress. No doubt they will be added to the enemies list along with inspectors general and career diplomats.

DFW

(60,186 posts)
32. That looks like it was in the Jefferson Building of the L.O.C.
Sun Oct 2, 2022, 06:30 AM
Oct 2022

It is one of the most spectacular buildings in all of Washington, D.C., and so few people know it. The resonance off the marble floors and walls is incredible. To make this any kind of scandal must have taxed even the evil imaginations of the Fox Noise staff. How you make an event like this into something to get upset over requires a considerable amount of evil energy. I'll bet that 99% of Republicans have never even heard of the Jefferson building, and that 90% of them haven't even heard of James Madison or the library of Congress.

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