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kentuck

(111,110 posts)
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 02:09 PM Oct 2022

Too Big To Indict?

Will Trump ever be indicted?

Very few would expect the former president to be indicted before the next election. They believe it could adversely affect the election results. That seems to be the general consensus.

Are his crimes too serious to simply ignore? Could they be neglected to the point where there could be a possible backlash from voters? A "toothless tiger"?

For the sake of justice and democracy, it is a necessary requirement.

However, the question is, "When?"

Will it be after the J6 Committee finish their work? Or does it not matter?

The problem is that if they go too long without an indictment, there is the pitfall of a possible backlash by voters.

The people desire justice and their patience is in limited supply.

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Too Big To Indict? (Original Post) kentuck Oct 2022 OP
We had better... 2naSalit Oct 2022 #1
Perhaps they are waiting for the defendant to expire naturally dalton99a Oct 2022 #2
Tonight would be fine with me. COL Mustard Oct 2022 #29
November is the problem. NOT this rule about 60 days because he is not running so that makes Eliot Rosewater Oct 2022 #3
"Too big to indict": Do you have evidence of that? Or is it just not happening fast enough for you? brooklynite Oct 2022 #4
There was a question mark at the end ... kentuck Oct 2022 #5
Cases are in the hands of several Grand Juries. They make the decisions to indict. emulatorloo Oct 2022 #33
Not happening fast enuff. sprinkleeninow Oct 2022 #10
Well, my answer would be NO it's NOT happening fast enough for me. calimary Oct 2022 #34
Definitely too big to jail. jalan48 Oct 2022 #6
Yep. He'll only be fined for any of it. maxsolomon Oct 2022 #35
He will be indicted malaise Oct 2022 #7
If we Dems buy into the biggest lie that it means "civil war" FakeNoose Oct 2022 #8
What is so sickening... Blue Owl Oct 2022 #9
He admits to nothing. kentuck Oct 2022 #12
Except this time the DOJ will not run out of money or patience. KS Toronado Oct 2022 #20
Time is their best weapon. Deny it. usonian Oct 2022 #11
👊 sprinkleeninow Oct 2022 #13
And the closer Trump gets to an indictment... kentuck Oct 2022 #14
Do bears shit in the woods? nt usonian Oct 2022 #24
Isn't Trump homegirl Oct 2022 #15
The Speedy Trial rule applies to the Gov't. COL Mustard Oct 2022 #30
I keep thinking of the 1933 Business Plot Lasher Oct 2022 #16
The bullshit about "within 60 days of an election" is just that...BULLSHIT. world wide wally Oct 2022 #17
Let's look back at Rethuglican presidents --- OMGWTF Oct 2022 #18
The indictments should start now from the top with Trump first and many to follow. PufPuf23 Oct 2022 #19
To answer your question: NO Fiendish Thingy Oct 2022 #21
You mess with democracy, you get indicted 10 days prior to the election bucolic_frolic Oct 2022 #22
This is an issue in only two places... Shipwack Oct 2022 #23
Recommended. H2O Man Oct 2022 #25
Yes. The US DOJ may not indict him soon, but let's not rule out Fani Willis or Tish James getting LymphocyteLover Oct 2022 #26
There's always another election coming Generic Brad Oct 2022 #27
He can't be indicted. COL Mustard Oct 2022 #28
It's a precedent no one wants to set Warpy Oct 2022 #31
IS TRUMP ABOVE THE LAW OR IS HE NOT Skittles Oct 2022 #32
Why is Donald Traitor Trump not in jail? He was illegally in possession of Top Secret documents. Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2022 #36

COL Mustard

(5,933 posts)
29. Tonight would be fine with me.
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 04:48 PM
Oct 2022

And as a Government employee, I get the added benefit of a day off when any POTUS, current or former, makes the final career change and goes into real estate.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,125 posts)
3. November is the problem. NOT this rule about 60 days because he is not running so that makes
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 02:28 PM
Oct 2022

no sense.

Things will get SO bad SO fast if the fascists take the House, and they have gerrymandered states so illegally that I am not hopeful.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
5. There was a question mark at the end ...
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 02:51 PM
Oct 2022

It's a question.

Personally, I think they are going at about the right pace. They needed the investigation by the J6 Committee in order to inform and educate the public. It was too big of a job for one alone. Just my opinion.

However, I do sense that there could be a possible backlash from voters if it went on for too long.

Also, I think there has to be an indictment to save "justice and democracy".

calimary

(81,523 posts)
34. Well, my answer would be NO it's NOT happening fast enough for me.
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 05:16 PM
Oct 2022

But that's just me.

I worry that the donald's pet strategy of delay/string it out/delay some more will work ONCE AGAIN.

He'll try to outlast us and our resolve to stay on his ass in pursuit of accountability. And I bet some in our corner won't have the strength of conviction to do anything but offer to settle. That's his main shtick. Hold out and hold out and hold out either to outlast 'em so they get frustrated or risk going broke so they give up and go away, or they settle for pennies on the dollar.

FakeNoose

(32,791 posts)
8. If we Dems buy into the biggest lie that it means "civil war"
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 03:03 PM
Oct 2022

... then we're giving up and Chump won, just like that.

We can't roll over and let him win. We have to call him on every single lie, and every single bluff.

It's going to take time but Chump will be indicted, he will stand trial. There won't be a "civil war" because the Repukes already know the mofo is guilty as hell.



Blue Owl

(50,523 posts)
9. What is so sickening...
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 03:10 PM
Oct 2022

is how he portrays himself as such a victim, while in the meanwhile virtually no other American would be getting the 'very special' treatment he is getting and has been getting his whole fucking life.

He can't see outside his bubble of self-serving, egomaniacal narcissism...

He is truly a monster who continues to be coddled and enabled...

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
12. He admits to nothing.
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 03:18 PM
Oct 2022

And if he did do it, there was nothing wrong with it. For example, if he took secret documents to MAL, they were his, and anyway, he de-classified them.

If he has to go to court, he will keep appealing the ruling until everyone runs out of money or out of patience.

That has always worked for him.

KS Toronado

(17,360 posts)
20. Except this time the DOJ will not run out of money or patience.
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 04:16 PM
Oct 2022

I see the Jan 6th Committee's last televised broadcast just before the midterms as putting the last nail
in his coffin. People are going to be mad as hell at him and all his elected enablers and will be out in
unbelievable numbers voting against Rs. Rs that pay attention will be aghast at what will be in the
Committee's last broadcast and will be less inclined to vote R if at all.

So yea, I can patiently wait until after the midterms to see him in handcuffs.

usonian

(9,909 posts)
11. Time is their best weapon. Deny it.
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 03:12 PM
Oct 2022
THE BIGGEST CLASSIFIED INFORMATION BREACH IN U.S. HISTORY HAS TAKEN PLACE AND THE D.O.J. ARE PLAYING FOOTSIE WITH A COSPLAY FEDERALIST HACK COMMITTED TO THE WELL KNOWN GOP STRATEGY OF DENY, DELAY, DIVIDE and DISTRACT.

AND, there is undeniable proof of human trafficking, including children.





As a footnote, here's another insight into their strategy (TrumPutin).

https://caitlinjohnstone.substack.com/p/how-to-defeat-putin
How To Defeat Putin

"The Kremlin and Russian state media are aggressively pushing a baseless conspiracy theory blaming the United States for damage to natural gas pipelines in the Baltic Sea in what analysts said Friday is another effort to split the U.S. and its European allies," AP tells us. "The Russian position is also reverberating on social media forums popular with American conservatives and far-right groups."


OKAY, as ALWAYS, Every Accusation is a Confession.
The Author concludes:

Well, this is going to blow your mind because of how wildly counter-intuitive it is, but here's the answer: Russia.

This is according to such ever-impartial and totally trustworthy experts as former CIA director John Brennan, who says that "Russia certainly is the most likely suspect," and NATO think tanker Alexander Vershbow, who says Putin blew up his own pipelines instead of simply closing a valve because he wanted to show the world that he is a "madman".

"The sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines further reinforces the image of Putin as madman, which might persuade some allies to push for a ceasefire and negotiations that would inevitably mean Ukraine giving up significant amounts of territory," Vershbow told The Atlantic's Susan B Glaser.


NOW! WHO ELSE IS GOING COMPLETELY BONKERS?
A certain mister TFG, and
Michael Flynn: GOP Governors Will Declare War

Now, I'm not going to endorse the "madman" theory, but just note that in dealing with the MAGATS here, one is dealing with a cell of the Putin Organization, and plenty of links can be made.

This is all a Russian plan. Started years ago.
https://pastebin.com/raw/evbnN5y7

Whether this is holding things up, or anything else imaginable or unimaginable, I don't know.
But delay in attacking an evil never seems right to me.
Unless it's to lure the enemy into a trap, which is risky, and while it may exist, I don't see it, especially when there are obvious and (IMO) easily provable crimes front and center, which are among the largest and vilest in U.S. History.

Sometimes, discretion is the better part of failure.


kentuck

(111,110 posts)
14. And the closer Trump gets to an indictment...
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 03:33 PM
Oct 2022

The more "insane" that Putin becomes?

Is there a correlation?

How valuable is Trump to Putin?

Is he a Russian agent?

homegirl

(1,434 posts)
15. Isn't Trump
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 03:49 PM
Oct 2022

like every other accused guaranteed a speedy trial? It is time to act against his delay tactics and get him into court!

COL Mustard

(5,933 posts)
30. The Speedy Trial rule applies to the Gov't.
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 04:50 PM
Oct 2022

You can drag it out procedurally for as long as you want and can afford, I suppose.

Note: Not a lawyer, but I did watch The Paper Chase.

Lasher

(27,641 posts)
16. I keep thinking of the 1933 Business Plot
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 03:58 PM
Oct 2022

Although no one was prosecuted, the congressional committee final report said, "there is no question that these attempts were discussed, were planned, and might have been placed in execution when and if the financial backers deemed it expedient."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

world wide wally

(21,756 posts)
17. The bullshit about "within 60 days of an election" is just that...BULLSHIT.
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 04:02 PM
Oct 2022

If you have a problem with it, don't nominate a low life for office in the first place.

OMGWTF

(3,978 posts)
18. Let's look back at Rethuglican presidents ---
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 04:04 PM
Oct 2022

Nixon essentially got away with his crimes
Reagan got away with his Iran-Contra crimes
George HW Bush " " "
George W Bush and Cheney The Dick got away with starting two wars for fun and profit all based on lies
Donald J Trump likely gets away with a long, long list of felonies, including espionage

WHAT DAFUQ WILL IT TAKE TO BRING THESE PEOPLE TO JUSTICE??

PufPuf23

(8,842 posts)
19. The indictments should start now from the top with Trump first and many to follow.
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 04:09 PM
Oct 2022

If Trump and the Traitors are not stomped ASAP and the GOP has any election success, POTUS Biden will be impeached.

Hard to imagine what could follow.

bucolic_frolic

(43,352 posts)
22. You mess with democracy, you get indicted 10 days prior to the election
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 04:23 PM
Oct 2022

GQP Republican Party has blood on its hands as far as democracy is concerned.

Shipwack

(2,172 posts)
23. This is an issue in only two places...
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 04:28 PM
Oct 2022

The US and despotic countries.

Truly Democratic countries have no issue with arresting and jailing past leaders after a legitimate trial. See for example Israel, South Korea, France, for starters.

I'm not sure where giving former (or even sitting!) presidents such great deference came from. Maybe from Republicans angry that Nixon had to resign?

H2O Man

(73,627 posts)
25. Recommended.
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 04:38 PM
Oct 2022

Perhaps there is some yes and no involved here. In my state, the Attorney General is doing a civil trial, and has referred documentation of crimes to the NYC DA's office and the IRS. The NYC DA has hesitated to indict, though the AG's documentation could result in an indictment. In Georgia, the prosecutor investigating the Trump team's effort to steal the election results seems very likely to indict Trump. And with the DOJ, it would seem unlikely they would not indict him on the stolen documents. And they are doing other investigations.

LymphocyteLover

(5,657 posts)
26. Yes. The US DOJ may not indict him soon, but let's not rule out Fani Willis or Tish James getting
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 04:43 PM
Oct 2022

to him in the next year.

Generic Brad

(14,276 posts)
27. There's always another election coming
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 04:44 PM
Oct 2022

An indictment would be seen as political. Yadda yada yada.

There are tons of excuses as to why it should not be done. And all of them are lame and weak. Just do it. If the DOJ has the proof - do it!

Warpy

(111,367 posts)
31. It's a precedent no one wants to set
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 04:54 PM
Oct 2022

You know, the incoming administration going after the outgoing administration through the legal system.

Unfortunately, the crimes here are just too great to ignore.

That means the Republicans, if they remain what they are, will spend the next century trying to fabricate charges against any and all Democrats who preceded them in office. Government will be even more fouled up than it is now, as this takes overnormal business and nothing gets done, ever.

But his crimes are just too great to ignore.

My own best guess said that the civil courts would use him for a chew toy until 2025. Then Federal indictments would drop.

That was before the raid discovered a lot of stolen material he should never have had.

The unfortunate precedent will have to be set.

Skittles

(153,212 posts)
32. IS TRUMP ABOVE THE LAW OR IS HE NOT
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 04:58 PM
Oct 2022

THEY NEED TO INDICT THAT FUCKER FOR AT LEAST ONE OF HIS THOUSANDS OF CRIMES

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