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Will Trump ever be indicted?
Very few would expect the former president to be indicted before the next election. They believe it could adversely affect the election results. That seems to be the general consensus.
Are his crimes too serious to simply ignore? Could they be neglected to the point where there could be a possible backlash from voters? A "toothless tiger"?
For the sake of justice and democracy, it is a necessary requirement.
However, the question is, "When?"
Will it be after the J6 Committee finish their work? Or does it not matter?
The problem is that if they go too long without an indictment, there is the pitfall of a possible backlash by voters.
The people desire justice and their patience is in limited supply.
2naSalit
(86,824 posts)Soon find out that there's no such thing.
dalton99a
(81,635 posts)COL Mustard
(5,933 posts)And as a Government employee, I get the added benefit of a day off when any POTUS, current or former, makes the final career change and goes into real estate.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,125 posts)no sense.
Things will get SO bad SO fast if the fascists take the House, and they have gerrymandered states so illegally that I am not hopeful.
brooklynite
(94,768 posts)kentuck
(111,110 posts)It's a question.
Personally, I think they are going at about the right pace. They needed the investigation by the J6 Committee in order to inform and educate the public. It was too big of a job for one alone. Just my opinion.
However, I do sense that there could be a possible backlash from voters if it went on for too long.
Also, I think there has to be an indictment to save "justice and democracy".
emulatorloo
(44,193 posts)sprinkleeninow
(20,267 posts)calimary
(81,523 posts)But that's just me.
I worry that the donald's pet strategy of delay/string it out/delay some more will work ONCE AGAIN.
He'll try to outlast us and our resolve to stay on his ass in pursuit of accountability. And I bet some in our corner won't have the strength of conviction to do anything but offer to settle. That's his main shtick. Hold out and hold out and hold out either to outlast 'em so they get frustrated or risk going broke so they give up and go away, or they settle for pennies on the dollar.
jalan48
(13,894 posts)maxsolomon
(33,419 posts)Whoop de doo, he'll die on his golden toilet.
malaise
(269,211 posts)I thought it would happen by now but I still think hell be indicted
FakeNoose
(32,791 posts)... then we're giving up and Chump won, just like that.
We can't roll over and let him win. We have to call him on every single lie, and every single bluff.
It's going to take time but Chump will be indicted, he will stand trial. There won't be a "civil war" because the Repukes already know the mofo is guilty as hell.
Blue Owl
(50,523 posts)is how he portrays himself as such a victim, while in the meanwhile virtually no other American would be getting the 'very special' treatment he is getting and has been getting his whole fucking life.
He can't see outside his bubble of self-serving, egomaniacal narcissism...
He is truly a monster who continues to be coddled and enabled...
kentuck
(111,110 posts)And if he did do it, there was nothing wrong with it. For example, if he took secret documents to MAL, they were his, and anyway, he de-classified them.
If he has to go to court, he will keep appealing the ruling until everyone runs out of money or out of patience.
That has always worked for him.
KS Toronado
(17,360 posts)I see the Jan 6th Committee's last televised broadcast just before the midterms as putting the last nail
in his coffin. People are going to be mad as hell at him and all his elected enablers and will be out in
unbelievable numbers voting against Rs. Rs that pay attention will be aghast at what will be in the
Committee's last broadcast and will be less inclined to vote R if at all.
So yea, I can patiently wait until after the midterms to see him in handcuffs.
usonian
(9,909 posts)AND, there is undeniable proof of human trafficking, including children.
As a footnote, here's another insight into their strategy (TrumPutin).
https://caitlinjohnstone.substack.com/p/how-to-defeat-putin
How To Defeat Putin
"The Kremlin and Russian state media are aggressively pushing a baseless conspiracy theory blaming the United States for damage to natural gas pipelines in the Baltic Sea in what analysts said Friday is another effort to split the U.S. and its European allies," AP tells us. "The Russian position is also reverberating on social media forums popular with American conservatives and far-right groups."
OKAY, as ALWAYS, Every Accusation is a Confession.
The Author concludes:
Well, this is going to blow your mind because of how wildly counter-intuitive it is, but here's the answer: Russia.
This is according to such ever-impartial and totally trustworthy experts as former CIA director John Brennan, who says that "Russia certainly is the most likely suspect," and NATO think tanker Alexander Vershbow, who says Putin blew up his own pipelines instead of simply closing a valve because he wanted to show the world that he is a "madman".
"The sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines further reinforces the image of Putin as madman, which might persuade some allies to push for a ceasefire and negotiations that would inevitably mean Ukraine giving up significant amounts of territory," Vershbow told The Atlantic's Susan B Glaser.
NOW! WHO ELSE IS GOING COMPLETELY BONKERS?
A certain mister TFG, and
Michael Flynn: GOP Governors Will Declare War
Now, I'm not going to endorse the "madman" theory, but just note that in dealing with the MAGATS here, one is dealing with a cell of the Putin Organization, and plenty of links can be made.
This is all a Russian plan. Started years ago.
https://pastebin.com/raw/evbnN5y7
Whether this is holding things up, or anything else imaginable or unimaginable, I don't know.
But delay in attacking an evil never seems right to me.
Unless it's to lure the enemy into a trap, which is risky, and while it may exist, I don't see it, especially when there are obvious and (IMO) easily provable crimes front and center, which are among the largest and vilest in U.S. History.
Sometimes, discretion is the better part of failure.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)The more "insane" that Putin becomes?
Is there a correlation?
How valuable is Trump to Putin?
Is he a Russian agent?
usonian
(9,909 posts)homegirl
(1,434 posts)like every other accused guaranteed a speedy trial? It is time to act against his delay tactics and get him into court!
COL Mustard
(5,933 posts)You can drag it out procedurally for as long as you want and can afford, I suppose.
Note: Not a lawyer, but I did watch The Paper Chase.
Lasher
(27,641 posts)Although no one was prosecuted, the congressional committee final report said, "there is no question that these attempts were discussed, were planned, and might have been placed in execution when and if the financial backers deemed it expedient."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
world wide wally
(21,756 posts)If you have a problem with it, don't nominate a low life for office in the first place.
OMGWTF
(3,978 posts)Nixon essentially got away with his crimes
Reagan got away with his Iran-Contra crimes
George HW Bush " " "
George W Bush and Cheney The Dick got away with starting two wars for fun and profit all based on lies
Donald J Trump likely gets away with a long, long list of felonies, including espionage
WHAT DAFUQ WILL IT TAKE TO BRING THESE PEOPLE TO JUSTICE??
PufPuf23
(8,842 posts)If Trump and the Traitors are not stomped ASAP and the GOP has any election success, POTUS Biden will be impeached.
Hard to imagine what could follow.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,669 posts)Trump will be indicted.
bucolic_frolic
(43,352 posts)GQP Republican Party has blood on its hands as far as democracy is concerned.
Shipwack
(2,172 posts)The US and despotic countries.
Truly Democratic countries have no issue with arresting and jailing past leaders after a legitimate trial. See for example Israel, South Korea, France, for starters.
I'm not sure where giving former (or even sitting!) presidents such great deference came from. Maybe from Republicans angry that Nixon had to resign?
H2O Man
(73,627 posts)Perhaps there is some yes and no involved here. In my state, the Attorney General is doing a civil trial, and has referred documentation of crimes to the NYC DA's office and the IRS. The NYC DA has hesitated to indict, though the AG's documentation could result in an indictment. In Georgia, the prosecutor investigating the Trump team's effort to steal the election results seems very likely to indict Trump. And with the DOJ, it would seem unlikely they would not indict him on the stolen documents. And they are doing other investigations.
LymphocyteLover
(5,657 posts)to him in the next year.
Generic Brad
(14,276 posts)An indictment would be seen as political. Yadda yada yada.
There are tons of excuses as to why it should not be done. And all of them are lame and weak. Just do it. If the DOJ has the proof - do it!
COL Mustard
(5,933 posts)His hands are too small for handcuffs!
Warpy
(111,367 posts)You know, the incoming administration going after the outgoing administration through the legal system.
Unfortunately, the crimes here are just too great to ignore.
That means the Republicans, if they remain what they are, will spend the next century trying to fabricate charges against any and all Democrats who preceded them in office. Government will be even more fouled up than it is now, as this takes overnormal business and nothing gets done, ever.
But his crimes are just too great to ignore.
My own best guess said that the civil courts would use him for a chew toy until 2025. Then Federal indictments would drop.
That was before the raid discovered a lot of stolen material he should never have had.
The unfortunate precedent will have to be set.
Skittles
(153,212 posts)THEY NEED TO INDICT THAT FUCKER FOR AT LEAST ONE OF HIS THOUSANDS OF CRIMES