When the mass migration from Florida happens....

[OAITW r.2.0]

are they any different then the people coming to NA now because of climate change? Why not encourage labor from CA/SA to migrate to Florida and build the the 21st Century solution to Climate Change? We are gonna need people to build our 21st infra-structure. And Florida needs migrant labor worse than any other state.

Suck on that DeSantis.

[A HERETIC I AM]

1. It's not going to happen.

There might be a slowdown of people moving IN to the state, but masses of people leaving? Doubtful.

While Ian was certainly catastrophic for the Fort Myers area, most Floridians will shrug it off and move on.

[OAITW r.2.0]

2. Definition of Insanity?

I don't think Republicans are explaining the long-term situation for Florida....and they sure have no solutions because they hate immigrants that are needed to build future State infrastructure..

[A HERETIC I AM]

12. Perhaps.

Keep in mind that a collection of random Tomato farmers in Immokalee can buy and sell Gov. DeathSentence with pocket change.

They might hate immigrants, but a HUGE amount of this states agriculture relies on them to the same degree as California's does.

It ain't white folks picking tomatoes, strawberries and oranges. It sure as hell ain't white kids working the innumerable greenhouse outfits either.

[OAITW r.2.0]

17. And 21st Century Climate Change Infrastrucure is going to need a lot of non-existent labor we

don't have. We better learn to love migrants if we want to survive.

[Ferrets are Cool]

18. I believe you are correct.

[yardwork]

19. Much of Florida will be underwater in 50 years.

There will, inevitably, be migration from Florida. Same with other coastal states.

[Scrivener7]

26. Nobody seems to get this.

[yardwork]

29. There's nothing in our history to help us understand this.

The models are stunning. It's hard to take in.

[pecosbob]

33. Sixty percent of Dade County will be underwater in 2060

1.5 million residents will gradually (or perhaps suddenly) be displaced, and that's just Dade County.

[A HERETIC I AM]

34. "much of Florida"? Really?

To get to the point where "much" of the state is underwater, depending on how you define that term, you're going to need at least 15 to 20' of sea level rise, and no data I can find, even the worst case scenario, calls for that in 50 years.

Here's a simulator from the NOAA website. You can adjust the height of the water with the bar at the left of the screen and you can zoom in on any area you like. Even at the max on the bar (10'), my house here in Jax is still quite a ways away from the shore, and I am just under a mile from an inlet that leads to the St. Johns River - basically sea level. My place is about 12 to 15' above sea level.

While 5' of rise would put most of Ft. Myers Beach (Estero Island) underwater (and Miami Beach as well, for that matter), it would take quite a bit more than that to drown downtown Ft. Myers.

I know sea level rise is happening and I am by no means a climate change denier, but saying "Much of Florida will be underwater in 50 years" is a bit of a stretch.

There will, inevitably, be migration from Florida. Same with other coastal states.

Of course there will eventually, but people will STILL want to live by the shore, even if that shore is 20 miles inland from where it is now.

[DemocraticPatriot]

27. There may be a large migration, just because of a lack of housing

in the wake of Ian. Remember how many people had to leave Louisiana after Katrina (many no doubt never returned) ?


"shrug it off and move on" ?? Yeah, I think many will-- especially among those who have lost everything.



If I was among those whose whose property was put underwater and/or destroyed, I think I would take whatever insurance or FEMA money I could get, and move inland--- and out of that fascist state. DeSantis may lose a good deal of voters, and I hope he does...

[brooklynite]

3. There won't be one...

Florida (and Texas) have had big hurricanes before; nobody moved away en masse.

New Orleans flooded in Katrina; nobody move away en masses.

[OAITW r.2.0]

5. Cool, proceed.

I probably won't be around, but lets check back in, in 20 years. By then, the NWS may be adding a Cat.6 Category to Hurricane weather systems.

[HeartachesNhangovers]

8. I believe New Orleans is the best (and only) example of a post-disaster mass migration in the US.

According to nolanews in January 2022:

"New Orleans has less than 80% of its pre-Katrina population, a presumably permanent gap of at least 100,000 people who never were able to make it back."

Link:

Link to tweet

[lees1975]

24. That's really not the case.

After a Texas hurricane, I sold out and moved. The Golden Triangle area, Beaumont-Port Arthur-Orange, has lost a third of its population following several devastating hits, Rita being the worst, just after Katrina. New Orleans itself has never recovered to its Pre-Katrina population, neither has the Gulfport-Biloxi area. Galveston has been hit two or three times in the past 30 years, it's population has dropped by a third, and down the coast, the towns in the counties south of the Brazos river, all the way to Rockport, have lost population since Harvey.

[PortTack]

30. True...whether it's all weather or weather and other reasons as many ppl move out of tx that move in

This link says tx was #2 for ppl moving out and into, this may put them into the #1 spot. It’s going to happen Fl as well

https://www.kvue.com/article/money/economy/boomtown-2040/texas-no-2-most-moved-to-most-moved-away-from-state-2021/269-e5b31db9-d972-4316-9c9c-d4d67b1edf22

[yardwork]

28. NYC is going to have to figure out how to address sea level rise.

The subways will flood more and more often. It's coming.

[Mr.Bill]

4. What's going to hurt Florida for awhile

is the snowbird money. I would guess many of them won't be going there at least for this winter.

[OAITW r.2.0]

6. Yep...

if they can cash out on insurance, they aren't coming back. Those that own property. My last VayKay was at the Inns at Sanibel in Feb/Mar 2020....just before Covid and now this. Totally gone....cannot imagine. Like a memory physically wiped.

[A HERETIC I AM]

7. Only because the 100K or so that come down to Lee and Collier counties will have nowhere to go.

Think of how many snowbirds owned homes or condo's that no longer exist. I suspect that number is in the tens of thousands.

[Marcus IM]

9. 3 words ... No Income Tax

Grifters. All.

[HeartachesNhangovers]

14. WA state, where I live now, has no income tax. I'm not a "grifter", I'm retired.

States that have no income tax typically have higher sales and property taxes to make up for it. In other words, all states tax at similar overall levels, when you consider income, sales and property taxes together.

[A HERETIC I AM]

15. Wait....what?

Do you think because there is no state income tax that Florida takes more from the federal government than other states? That we are "grifters"?

Because if you think that, you're wrong.

https://smartasset.com/data-studies/states-most-dependent-on-the-federal-government-2022

36th. We rank 36th out of 50 for dependency on Washington.

What's your definition of "grifter"?

[PortTack]

31. JMHO..so don't get angry but any state that takes more than it puts in ought to have to fix that

Thru some stream of revenue. It’s a drain on the system whether you’re #1 or #36

[mercuryblues]

10. I was thinking along the same lines

Real estate skyrocketed with the influx on people moving to Fl in the past few years. Working from home enabled a lot of that. Now that a massive hurricane hit, how many will move back?

[Joinfortmill]

11. Well, this was a game changer for me. I was in the midst of purchasing a condo in Fort Myers..

I lived in Florida on the east coast a few years back, so it's not like I didn't know about Florida hurricanes. They aren't quite as bad on the east coast.

I have relatives that own a condo on Fort Myers Beach. Yes, it's still standing. It's a six story building. The first floor was completely blown out by the hurricane. I was purchasing my condo further inland. I knew climate change was a factor in Florida, but I thought it wouldn't be a huge problem for another decade. I believe I misjudged the timing. I'd say it's just become a huge problem. I'm likely going to lose a few grand by backing out of this deal, but I don't need to be hit over the head. It's going to be a year before they fix this.

[OAITW r.2.0]

13. Like I said, my connection to Ft. Meyers was 10 days on Sanibel and catching a few games of Red Sox

Spring Training....and whatta a time hanging out by the bands and beer tents! The back to the ouside bar at the inn......just a great memory.

[alwaysinasnit]

16. If nothing else, the insurance premiums will likely blow a hole through the stratosphere, assuming

there will be any insurers left standing after paying out claims for the current damage.

[OAITW r.2.0]

20. Brave New World coming at Florida.

Glad I'm not directly vested.

[lees1975]

22. Oh goodness, they might actually have to face reduced profits to pay out what they owe.

Not that they ever have had to give up profiteering before, and with Florida's state government and those watching to make sure insurance companies don't cheat, they won't lose much.

[Renew Deal]

21. Just talked to a guy today that said he was planning to move there

when he finds a job.

[dembotoz]

23. to rebuild is a younger persons game

i turned 69 this year.
During the summer i had to help a family member downsize and move.

I can no longer do physically what i used to do not that many years ago.
Doc says i am ok, but damn...

so florida attracts a lot of retirees.
And they are gonna be able to do the rehab stuff like flooring, cabinets etc?
The only rehab they are gonna due is at the hospital when the keel over

Does it count as migration as they die and get shipped home?

[OAITW r.2.0]

25. I'm your age. pal!

Happy to be in a place where we have no earthquakes or really severe weather. Mid-Maine. I can deal with snow, as long as it's not 3' per storm.

[PortTack]

32. Same...cold yes..I'll take that over hurricanes, flooding and the unpredictability they bring anyday

[bluecollar2]

35. As a grower in Miami-Dade county

I can attest to the fact that rising insurance costs and lack of labour during the harvest months have contributed to my decision to emigrate from Florida.

I intend to seek political asylum in the western desert of New Mexico or Nevada/Southern California, hopefully within the year.

[Hortensis]

36. :) There's a mass migration north from FL every March-April. And one south

to FL every fall.

One year when my husband and I were on our way down, we wondered if the entire state of MI was moving to FL. Probably some blizzards or something compacted the usual migration that year, but it was an event to see, reminiscent of driving south in Mexico in the middle of the Monarch butterfly migration to Central America.

No, I don't think FL will be abandoned. Climate warming means erratically and dangerously severe winters too.