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[Sky Jewels]

1. I agree. I don't get why we're supposed to pretend everybody was a great person

the second they're dead.

[TheProle]

3. Commemoration doesn't imply wholesale agreement with every view they held.

One can mourn the loss of an artist in a world that sorely needs them without endorsing their every political and social position.

[Sky Jewels]

11. That's often true, but when someone is a racist and is fine with Trump extremism,

it's not like you're just disagreeing with them because they had a different take on fiscal policy or something.

[TheProle]

21. Maybe you can help with some links

Lynn came from a generation and region that's wrestled mightily with its racist past. It's disappointing, but not shocking, that she would carry some residual racism. Maybe you have evidence of that being wielded in an overtly malicious way.

In terms of Trump, I haven't seen anything that explicitly condones his extremism.

Always willing to learn if you've got something to teach.

[Sky Jewels]

23. Well, she was all in for Trump. Wanted to campaign for him. So she knew what he was saying

about Mexican rapists and grabbing women and on and on... and still endorsed him.

https://www.nashvillescene.com/music/red-kentucky-girl-loretta-lynns-trump-endorsement-is-the-bitter-pill/article_7129a67b-e686-55d9-8032-ca56cf9dc985.html

[agingdem]

5. to quote Betty Davis when Joan Crawford died...

"You should never say bad things about the dead, only good..Joan Crawford is dead...good!"...

[Geechie]

8. That's a keeper.

[hlthe2b]

15. Both of those "dames" were hell on wheels...

I would have stayed clear of both, frankly.

[Heather MC]

43. 💜

Thank You Sweetie

You know they running in here to defend her a racist who voted for their enslavement

And yet they call me an Asshole.

And I DEFEND Their Freedom every time I vote.

Crazy huh

[LeftInTX]

2. I didn't know anything about her politics

[Heather MC]

45. Google it!

Don't take my word for shit, my friend💜

[LakeArenal]

4. Not celebrating I get. But I don't get being pleased either.

Presumably famous assholes have family who love them despite their politics.

In addition, years of talented contributions are something to admire.

Clapton and Morrison losing their minds doesn’t make the music less great.

[Heather MC]

48. So black people should just be quiet, when a racist dies, if the racist is really well liked?

🤦🏾‍♀️ K🙄

Loretta Lynn's Racist Remarks
Highest Court Fourth Circuit
Year Ended 1987
Plaintiffs Security Guard(s)
Defendants Lynn, Loretta
Other No Other parties on file
Short Description Plaintiff is a black male who acted as a security guard at Loretta Lynn's concert in Virginia, where she drew attention to Plaintiff in reference to the name of her band, the Coal Miners, by saying to the audience, "If you people don't know what coal looks like, here is somebody who knows what coal is all about," then looking at Plaintiff and saying "Black is beautiful, ain't it honey?" During this incident, which drew a laugh from the audience, Lynn asked Plaintiff to stand up and a spotlight was focused on him throughout the comments. Plaintiff sued for intentional infliction of emotional distress, saying Lynn's actions were "outrageous" according to the standards of Virginia. (Arguably, the standards of Virginia are less sensitive than Lynn's comments.) The court acknowledged that Lynn's comments were insensitive and potentially hurtful, but refused to call them "outrageous." It added that similar comments could be outrageous under different circumstances, but were not so here. - LSW

[Hekate]

6. There's grave-dancing & then there's "Rest in Screaming Torture Loretta Lynn VaginaTraitor"

Jeez, Heather MC, tell us how you really feel.

[ShazzieB]

46. Yes, that was really extreme.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

7. People don't like it when reality intrudes on their parasocial relationships.

[hlthe2b]

9. Pretty sure she's had Alzheimer's for many years now, so I'm not going to obsess about her.

My sister is a fan (though a progressive DEM through and through) and saw her with friends about the period of time that Trump took office-- she said she could scarcely remember lyrics or her train of thought when performing so...


I am not a big country fan regardless. For me, I would feel the loss of Dolly Parton intensely. Loretta Lynn was an icon, but her loss will be felt by others far more than for me. I do salute her longevity and talent in a field so competitive, especially for women. And my understanding is that she was a bit of a feminist in her younger years. In fact this song, once banned, was the first to discuss the pill:

[Sky Jewels]

22. I had to listen to country music almost every day while growing up (father was in the radio biz)

and the phrase "familiarity breeds contempt" applies 100 percent to me and country music. I'd rather put ice picks in my ears than hear most of those twangy-accent songs. I know it's wrong to disparage an entire musical genre, and I do give props to a few artists like Johnny Cash and Patsy Cline and Dolly (my dad said she was the nicest person he ever met), and I like some country- and American-roots-influenced music (like Avett Bros.) ... but ... yeah. Me and country music are oil and water.

[Elessar Zappa]

10. She was a great artist.

I don’t decide whose art I like based on politics, unless the politics infect the art.

[TheProle]

14. +1 for common decency

[hlthe2b]

18. I agree. Clapton breaks my heart; Waters frustrates the hell out of me. But their music remains

and i admire that without pause.

[Elessar Zappa]

19. Same here.

I like both Waters’ and Clayton’s music even though they’ve become colossal assholes.

[JCMach1]

33. Exactly, people need to be smart/complex enough to hold two thoughts

In their head.

Both things can be true without subtracting from what she did as an artist ...

[Heather MC]

34. You don't think when she comes out and endorses Donald Trump that that doesn't have an impact?

She gives protection to other women who want to support a man that led to and that led to abortion Veno gutted and gutted in the United States.

In your mind what is sadder? A raped 10 year old to get pregnant having to leave her state to go have an abortion? Or the fact that another wealthy white woman died leaving behind a legacy of s*** for the rest of us to deal with?

I reserve my tears for the victim her votes created over the years that's all

[Bucky]

47. Thank you. Her music spoke to human values, compassion, equality, struggling to get by...

All kinds of musicians have conservative political views. Most of them are millionaires. I can listen to Waylon Jennings or Alice Cooper. For that matter I can laugh at Dave Chappelle jokes or watch a Kelsey Grammar show and not get worked up about how they vote. I love freedom and diversity more than my own opinions.

[Silent3]

12. "VaginaTraitor"?

That's... just... weird.

[TheRealNorth]

20. No kidding....

Sounds a bit trollish to me.

[EX500rider]

36. Sure, sure, she sold vagina secrets to the Russian's I believe lol

[Bucky]

50. What happens if we lose the Vagina Cold War?

[Heather MC]

37. Or you don't understand what a VaginaTraitor is, it's not weird, you possibly

Are ignorant as related to this topic specifically.
Allow me to explain what a vaginaTraitor
It's a woman who supports an ideology, that takes away her own right to choose what happens to her own body. And she props up the men of authority who tell her they have a right to make those decisions for her.
And then she openly supports those men in public, and with her vote.

Do you understand now? If you have more questions I'm happy to answer them. hope you have a great day.

[TheProle]

13. This generation is mighty quick to write off everyone as garbage

who doesn't check all the progressive boxes without fail, throughout their life.

But give it a generation and maybe, you too, can be called garbage on DU, circa 2040.

Drive a vehicle that runs on fossil-fuels? Garbage.
Eat meat? Garbage.
A little TERF-y in your feminism? Garbage.

And so it goes.

Few people are as completely woke as they think. It's that mote stuck in their eye.

[Heather MC]

32. And white people are really quick to make excuses for racist when they want to cry about them after

They Die.

I care more for the raped 10 year old that had to leave her state to go get an abortion because a woman like Loretta Lynn supported Donald Trump.

🤷🏾‍♀️

[TheProle]

38. Who is excusing any racism on her part?

Your self-righteousness is blinding you to an avalanche of logical fallacies.

[hurple]

16. Wow... just wow!

So she may not have been "progressive" enough according to the 2022 morality police. But, during her heyday in the 1960's Lynn was considered among the strongest voices for women's rights. Her songs really opened up alot of doors to changes and improvements in women's rights.

So, maybe she's not enough for the entitled snobs of 2022, but she is one of the trailblazers who opened the doors to allow you to be an entitled snob instead of where you could be.

And with that rant, you just sound like an a$$hole.

[Heather MC]

29. Or I'm a black woman who isn't going to cry when a racist and a VaginaTraitor dies

🤷🏾‍♀️
She did the world a favor, she left her music behind and she left before she could vote again to do more damage

There I said something kind about her does that make you feel better no better?
And if you're going to call me an ASSHOLE, then go ahead and say it I don't care🤷🏾‍♀️

[GumboYaYa]

17. This is the only post I see celebrating her death.

Others are commemorating her life as an artist that they enjoyed.

[Heather MC]

25. I mean why are you guys commemorating her?

She's a traitor to women. What good was she?ed if she voted for trump in the end she was useless.
I am not celebrating her death, Why would, I do that, that's horrible?
I just don't understand why you guys can't see what she really was🤷🏾‍♀️🥂

[Kaleva]

24. Why are you s member of a site that celebrates the life of a racist?

What does that say about you and your core principles?

Maybe this really isn't that big of a deal for you. You find it irksome but that's about it.

[Heather MC]

27. My principles are firmly intact thank you very much

I am a woman, And I'm a woman who doesn't care much for other women who vote against our right to choose when we bring life into this world.

My principles don't, mourn vaginaTraitors🤷🏾‍♀️

[Kaleva]

30. I wouldn't be s member of a site that violated my core orinciples

And I wouldn't freely associate people whose beliefs and actions greatly contradict my own .

Often there are posts made here expressing opinions or talking of actions that I don't like or would do myself but none are deal breakers. The TOS and MIRT pretty much handle anything that would.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

41. I find value in learning things I don't know from people I want to be in community with.

And I'm not speaking for Heather MC, but when I'm in a group I generally otherwise find friendly that is expressing a value I don't share, I find it helpful to talk about it.

[Kaleva]

51. Ok but I think even you have limits

Members here often talk about things I don't agree with and I sometimes respond but there isn't anything said that I would think violates core principles. MIRT and Admin take care of those who do

[The_Casual_Observer]

26. To hear the eulogy on NPR she should be canonized. JFC

[Heather MC]

28. Crazy Right🥂

I really can't stand the historical rewrite on someone just because they died.
🤦🏾‍♀️

[Aristus]

31. Yeah. I didn't join in the fawning adoration. She was a Trumpster. Bottom line.

My thing (although VaginaTraitor is important) was her assessment of TFG. She said he would 'turn this country around'. That's Trumpster-speak for 'no more Black Presidents.'

I won't say I'm glad she's dead. But I'm glad she can no longer vote.

[RussBLib]

35. Never liked her music

Didn't like her support of Trump either.

[kentuck]

39. I don't remember Loretta being that political?

Other than the song, The Pill, that she recorded.

I think the criticism is a little harsh.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

44. She endorsed Trump.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

40. Dear Mr. Cox:

[Botany]

42. She kissed Charlie Pride on stage and on on national TV

And when she did it that was a brave thing to do. "They" had told her not to touch him.

Everything is not as simple as it seems.

Lynn also didn’t think twice about crossing racial divides. “When Charlie Pride won Singer of the Year, I was the one that was supposed to give the award. So they said, ‘Loretta, if Charlie wins, step back one foot and don’t touch him.’ I couldn’t believe what I was hearin’ ’cause I’d been livin’ on the West Coast for 13 or 14 years,” Lynn remembers, still appalled. “Charlie is just another singer to me. When it comes to color, I’m colorblind, ’cause I’m part Cherokee. So when Charlie won, I stepped up and hugged him and kissed him. They got a little upset about it. I thought, ‘Well, Charlie shouldn’t even sing for ‘em if that’s the way they feel about him.’”

http://www.edreynolds1995.com/tag/loretta-lynn/

BTW If you or I had grown up as she did in a KY holler then the chances are we would be Trumpers too.

[demmiblue]

49. I had no idea of her support for Trump. And, apparently, you didn't either...

since you had to Google it.

[emulatorloo]

53. What does black womens' support of the Democratic Party have to do with your Loretta Lynn rant?

Does not compute. I know it is fashionable to smear Democrats on DU but this seems to be a non sequitur. Or do you have “proof” Democratic politicians planned to incorporate Lynn’s political views into the Democratic platform?