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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsStraight Up Fraud': Data Confirms Private Insurers Use Medicare Advantage to Steal Billions
Larry Levitt, executive vice president for health policy at Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF), which has has no connection with Kaiser Permanente, wrote on social media that "the move to privatize Medicare" has "been very profitable, in part because insurers are good at making their patients seem sicker."
Journalist Natalie Shure concurred, tweeting: "Privatized Medicare plans cherry pick healthier enrollees, fudge medical records to make them look as sick as possible, coax doctors into tacking on extra sham diagnoses to bill for, and pay themselves a profit on top of it. Medicare Advantage shouldn't exist."
"For all its faults, Medicare is a (nearly) universal program for 65+, with overhead hovering around 2%far lower than its private counterparts," Shure added. "What inefficiencies did anyone think MA would be solving exactly[?]" she asked.
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Matt Bruenig, founder of the People's Policy Project, a left-wing think tank, argued that the notion that private insurers would "provide more benefit for less money" than traditional Medicare "while taking a profit" is insane on its face.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/09/straight-fraud-data-confirms-private-insurers-use-medicare-advantage-steal-billions
We need universal healthcare like every other OECD country has, countries that all pay half per capita what we do, and get better results.
crickets
(26,168 posts)alwaysinasnit
(5,672 posts)FakeNoose
(42,896 posts)Skittles
(173,541 posts)it is crazy
One of the biggest scams going
pandr32
(14,307 posts)elleng
(141,926 posts)Rebl2
(17,997 posts)warned me not to choose it because they would not pay for my biologic drug I take.
JoeOtterbein
(7,880 posts)The truth!
PatrickforB
(15,554 posts)Rhiannon12866
(260,749 posts)not fooled
(6,808 posts)looks like ALL of Medicare will be privatized by 2030. Then, good luck getting single-payer. Just as fossil fuel companies push to get infrastructure in place to compel the nation to continue using fossil fuels, insurers are pushing to get all of Medicare into DCEs in order to forestall any effort to expand traditional Medicare, i.e. gradually lower the age of enrollment in order to create universal single-payer in the U.S.
Biden continues to facilitate this.
"Medicare" "Advantage" was always a Trojan horse to get ignorant 'Muricans to voluntarily agree to privatization, even though the vast majority probably have no clue that's what they are doing.
https://justcareusa.org/dce-experiment-could-mean-total-privatization-of-medicare/]
Wall Street loves it. And the Trump administration, which promised to drain the swamp and stop Wall Street predations, instead turned Washington into a prosperous paradise for the worst Wall Street predators.
This move away from quality healthcare service to profit-oriented denials of care is worth hundreds of billions of dollars a year in taxpayer money flowing to private industry.
The CMS description of the program shows how much it is directed at Wall Street, not to the quality of care.
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Direct contracting is supposed to be a pilot program, yet Medicare has no plans to limit the number of people it enrolls in these new plans. Instead, Medicare has announced plans to enroll 100% of traditional Medicare members into DCE-like programs by 2030.
This massive handover appears to violate the limited authority that Congress granted to conduct an experiment. Without any Congressional oversight, CMS is moving all people on Medicare into these private business plans by the Orwellian redefining of its direct contracting authority with providers and suppliers.
leftstreet
(41,363 posts)Beartracks
(14,721 posts)Mr. Evil
(3,481 posts)making $10M per year that want to make $20M per year.
Beartracks
(14,721 posts)The internet doesn't convey my sarcastic fake confusion very well.
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Mr. Evil
(3,481 posts)It is quite obvious but, I just like putting it out there from time to time just as a friendly reminder. Sort of like a PSA for the younger, less experienced crowd.
All health insurance companies are nothing more than legal skim operations. But, you know, capitalism.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(28,493 posts)Never.
Right?
Traildogbob
(13,297 posts)You can be a CEO of a Corp that buys up hospitals for profit. The Rick Scott playbook.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(28,493 posts)I can recall, back in the 1960s, when the very thought of a for-profit hospital was anathema. I'm not sure exactly how or why that changed, but it did. Medicare Advantage plans have almost nothing to do with that change.
I have an Advantage plan myself, and I honestly don't get why they are trashed. Mine has been very good to me.
I'm reminded of how people here almost universally trash annuities. They are not all terrible. I happen to have two, which I'm currently collecting from, and they have been very good to me. I will continue to get my current payout, no matter what happens to the base value. One of them has also gone up a tiny bit since I first started collecting, because its highest daily average increased over what it was when I started collecting. And any residual value left when I die will go to the beneficiary. So what's the problem with annuities?
Same with Advantage plans. I had a heart attack nearly two years ago, and out of an $80,000 hospital bill, I paid less than $1,000. That's a whole lot less than the 20% I'd have been responsible for with basic Medicare. So what exactly is the problem here?
Bluesaph
(1,026 posts)She cancelled her advantage plan because she web to to Costa rica pre pandemic and got stuck there. Now she owes 20% of her hospital bills for breaking five ribs. She came back for a visit and bam. Got hurt.
It is stranger to me that this who,e time theyve been taking $170 out of her $590 social se unity check for Medicare part B. Might as well have MA then. Or am I missing something?
PoindexterOglethorpe
(28,493 posts)Exactly how would paying $16,000 for my hospital bill be better than less than $1,000?
Every single time I bring up my hospital bill, no one trashing Advantage plans ever suggests I'd be better off paying the higher amount. I wonder why? I wonder how they handle paying the 20%.
Ron Green
(9,876 posts)We have enough investment schemes in this country; we need a health care system.
Medicare Advantage is theft of public monies, enacted by a bought Congress.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(28,493 posts)Just based on the names, I'd think the second, the multiple risk pool to be better, in that a much larger group of people is included, as compared to the single risk.
Ron Green
(9,876 posts)All people are eligible for medically necessary care.
Multiple risk pools is what the insurance companies do: divide people into groups of more and less healthy, more and less wealthy. Its the way to extract money from an increasingly bloated system.
IbogaProject
(6,155 posts)The good national health systems spend less but more than half our percapita spending level. The big issue is the secondary savings, from reduced costs for medical malpractice insurance, all liability insurance, including car insurance. And the other big savings of moving the costs to big business owners and the most wealthy.
AllaN01Bear
(30,058 posts)but the minute a little person on ss ssi gets caught , the rs complain about the fraud .and its only 2 percent.
GoneOffShore
(18,037 posts)Skittles
(173,541 posts)IT IS DISGUSTING THEY FOOL SO MANY PEOPLE AND LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT
Nictuku
(4,687 posts)I'm trying to help her, but it is so damn confusing!