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Gaugamela

(3,577 posts)
Sun Oct 9, 2022, 09:19 PM Oct 2022

Straight Up Fraud': Data Confirms Private Insurers Use Medicare Advantage to Steal Billions

Larry Levitt, executive vice president for health policy at Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF), which has has no connection with Kaiser Permanente, wrote on social media that "the move to privatize Medicare" has "been very profitable, in part because insurers are good at making their patients seem sicker."

Journalist Natalie Shure concurred, tweeting: "Privatized Medicare plans cherry pick healthier enrollees, fudge medical records to make them look as sick as possible, coax doctors into tacking on extra sham diagnoses to bill for, and pay themselves a profit on top of it. Medicare Advantage shouldn't exist."

"For all its faults, Medicare is a (nearly) universal program for 65+, with overhead hovering around 2%—far lower than its private counterparts," Shure added. "What inefficiencies did anyone think MA would be solving exactly[?]" she asked.

…….

Matt Bruenig, founder of the People's Policy Project, a left-wing think tank, argued that the notion that private insurers would "provide more benefit for less money" than traditional Medicare "while taking a profit" is insane on its face.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/09/straight-fraud-data-confirms-private-insurers-use-medicare-advantage-steal-billions

We need universal healthcare like every other OECD country has, countries that all pay half per capita what we do, and get better results.

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Straight Up Fraud': Data Confirms Private Insurers Use Medicare Advantage to Steal Billions (Original Post) Gaugamela Oct 2022 OP
K&R for visibility. crickets Oct 2022 #1
k&r Thanks for posting! alwaysinasnit Oct 2022 #2
DU has been ahead of the curve on this issue FakeNoose Oct 2022 #3
there are a LOT of DUers on Medicare Adavange Skittles Oct 2022 #28
True Timewas Oct 2022 #4
I completely agree with your ending paragraph. pandr32 Oct 2022 #5
Anyone surprised??? elleng Oct 2022 #6
My rheumatologist Rebl2 Oct 2022 #7
K n R ! Thanks for posting! JoeOtterbein Oct 2022 #8
Medicare for all Americans with no donut holes and made simple, like the Brits' NHS. n/t PatrickforB Oct 2022 #9
+1000 Rhiannon12866 Oct 2022 #13
+1 leftstreet Oct 2022 #14
I hate to say it, but not fooled Oct 2022 #10
Where's the Congressional oversight? n/t leftstreet Oct 2022 #11
"provide more benefit for less money"... More benefit for WHOM, exactly? Beartracks Oct 2022 #12
The CEO's Mr. Evil Oct 2022 #16
In person, it would've been obvious I already knew that answer. LOL Beartracks Oct 2022 #17
Yup... Mr. Evil Oct 2022 #19
And of course private doctors never cheat the system. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2022 #15
Don't have to be a doctor Traildogbob Oct 2022 #18
Almost all hospitals are for profit anymore. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2022 #23
I'm finding that out too with my mom. Bluesaph Oct 2022 #26
Stories like yours are exactly why I don't understand the hate for Advantage plans. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2022 #30
A single risk pool is a health care system. Multiple risk pools is an investment scheme. Ron Green Oct 2022 #20
What exactly is the difference between a single risk pool and multiple risk pools? PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2022 #24
"Everybody in, nobody out" is a single risk pool. Ron Green Oct 2022 #29
The good national health systems pay more than half IbogaProject Oct 2022 #21
im thourolgy convinced that most american , not all , business men are crooks. AllaN01Bear Oct 2022 #22
Asked an insurance agent about Medicare Advantage, they corrected me: It's Medicare Disadvantage GoneOffShore Oct 2022 #25
MEDICARE ADAVANTAGE IS A SCAM Skittles Oct 2022 #27
My mom is on it, but she wants to get off of it Nictuku Oct 2022 #31

Rebl2

(17,997 posts)
7. My rheumatologist
Sun Oct 9, 2022, 10:36 PM
Oct 2022

warned me not to choose it because they would not pay for my biologic drug I take.

not fooled

(6,808 posts)
10. I hate to say it, but
Sun Oct 9, 2022, 10:58 PM
Oct 2022

looks like ALL of Medicare will be privatized by 2030. Then, good luck getting single-payer. Just as fossil fuel companies push to get infrastructure in place to compel the nation to continue using fossil fuels, insurers are pushing to get all of Medicare into DCEs in order to forestall any effort to expand traditional Medicare, i.e. gradually lower the age of enrollment in order to create universal single-payer in the U.S.

Biden continues to facilitate this.

"Medicare" "Advantage" was always a Trojan horse to get ignorant 'Muricans to voluntarily agree to privatization, even though the vast majority probably have no clue that's what they are doing.



https://justcareusa.org/dce-experiment-could-mean-total-privatization-of-medicare/]

Why would the Biden administration want to give corporations control over the health care of the most vulnerable Americans?

Wall Street loves it. And the Trump administration, which promised to drain the swamp and stop Wall Street predations, instead turned Washington into a prosperous paradise for the worst Wall Street predators.

This move away from quality healthcare service to profit-oriented denials of care is worth hundreds of billions of dollars a year in taxpayer money flowing to private industry.

The CMS description of the program shows how much it is directed at Wall Street, not to the quality of care.


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Pilot Program Metastasizes

Direct contracting is supposed to be a pilot program, yet Medicare has no plans to limit the number of people it enrolls in these new plans. Instead, Medicare has announced plans to enroll 100% of traditional Medicare members into DCE-like programs by 2030.

This massive handover appears to violate the limited authority that Congress granted to conduct an experiment. Without any Congressional oversight, CMS is moving all people on Medicare into these private business plans by the Orwellian redefining of its direct contracting authority with providers and suppliers.

Beartracks

(14,721 posts)
17. In person, it would've been obvious I already knew that answer. LOL
Sun Oct 9, 2022, 11:33 PM
Oct 2022

The internet doesn't convey my sarcastic fake confusion very well.



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Mr. Evil

(3,481 posts)
19. Yup...
Sun Oct 9, 2022, 11:45 PM
Oct 2022

It is quite obvious but, I just like putting it out there from time to time just as a friendly reminder. Sort of like a PSA for the younger, less experienced crowd.

All health insurance companies are nothing more than legal skim operations. But, you know, capitalism.

Traildogbob

(13,297 posts)
18. Don't have to be a doctor
Sun Oct 9, 2022, 11:38 PM
Oct 2022

You can be a CEO of a Corp that buys up hospitals for profit. The Rick Scott playbook.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,493 posts)
23. Almost all hospitals are for profit anymore.
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 02:03 AM
Oct 2022

I can recall, back in the 1960s, when the very thought of a for-profit hospital was anathema. I'm not sure exactly how or why that changed, but it did. Medicare Advantage plans have almost nothing to do with that change.

I have an Advantage plan myself, and I honestly don't get why they are trashed. Mine has been very good to me.

I'm reminded of how people here almost universally trash annuities. They are not all terrible. I happen to have two, which I'm currently collecting from, and they have been very good to me. I will continue to get my current payout, no matter what happens to the base value. One of them has also gone up a tiny bit since I first started collecting, because its highest daily average increased over what it was when I started collecting. And any residual value left when I die will go to the beneficiary. So what's the problem with annuities?

Same with Advantage plans. I had a heart attack nearly two years ago, and out of an $80,000 hospital bill, I paid less than $1,000. That's a whole lot less than the 20% I'd have been responsible for with basic Medicare. So what exactly is the problem here?

Bluesaph

(1,026 posts)
26. I'm finding that out too with my mom.
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 02:25 AM
Oct 2022

She cancelled her advantage plan because she web to to Costa rica pre pandemic and got stuck there. Now she owes 20% of her hospital bills for breaking five ribs. She came back for a visit and bam. Got hurt.

It is stranger to me that this who,e time they’ve been taking $170 out of her $590 social se unity check for Medicare part B. Might as well have MA then. Or am I missing something?

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,493 posts)
30. Stories like yours are exactly why I don't understand the hate for Advantage plans.
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 11:09 AM
Oct 2022

Exactly how would paying $16,000 for my hospital bill be better than less than $1,000?

Every single time I bring up my hospital bill, no one trashing Advantage plans ever suggests I'd be better off paying the higher amount. I wonder why? I wonder how they handle paying the 20%.

Ron Green

(9,876 posts)
20. A single risk pool is a health care system. Multiple risk pools is an investment scheme.
Sun Oct 9, 2022, 11:49 PM
Oct 2022

We have enough investment schemes in this country; we need a health care system.

“Medicare Advantage” is theft of public monies, enacted by a bought Congress.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,493 posts)
24. What exactly is the difference between a single risk pool and multiple risk pools?
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 02:04 AM
Oct 2022

Just based on the names, I'd think the second, the multiple risk pool to be better, in that a much larger group of people is included, as compared to the single risk.

Ron Green

(9,876 posts)
29. "Everybody in, nobody out" is a single risk pool.
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 09:53 AM
Oct 2022

All people are eligible for medically necessary care.

Multiple risk pools is what the insurance companies do: divide people into groups of more and less healthy, more and less wealthy. It’s the way to extract money from an increasingly bloated system.

IbogaProject

(6,155 posts)
21. The good national health systems pay more than half
Sun Oct 9, 2022, 11:53 PM
Oct 2022

The good national health systems spend less but more than half our percapita spending level. The big issue is the secondary savings, from reduced costs for medical malpractice insurance, all liability insurance, including car insurance. And the other big savings of moving the costs to big business owners and the most wealthy.

AllaN01Bear

(30,058 posts)
22. im thourolgy convinced that most american , not all , business men are crooks.
Sun Oct 9, 2022, 11:57 PM
Oct 2022

but the minute a little person on ss ssi gets caught , the rs complain about the fraud .and its only 2 percent.

GoneOffShore

(18,037 posts)
25. Asked an insurance agent about Medicare Advantage, they corrected me: It's Medicare Disadvantage
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 02:07 AM
Oct 2022

Skittles

(173,541 posts)
27. MEDICARE ADAVANTAGE IS A SCAM
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 09:20 AM
Oct 2022

IT IS DISGUSTING THEY FOOL SO MANY PEOPLE AND LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT

Nictuku

(4,687 posts)
31. My mom is on it, but she wants to get off of it
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 11:13 AM
Oct 2022

I'm trying to help her, but it is so damn confusing!

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