Breaking: Nikolas Cruz Gets Life In Prison

[SoCalDavidS]

Verdicts being read now.

[a kennedy]

1. How many counts are there?? 17?? For all the deaths??

[Celerity]

3. yes, they have to read them all

[a kennedy]

4. Thanks.

[Celerity]

2. good, the death penalty is a barbarous relic

[Meadowoak]

11. I don't like the death penalty myself, but he deserved it.

[Celerity]

13. Disagree, the death penalty needs to be ended, it is state murder.

[Meadowoak]

14. So do mass shootings.

[obamanut2012]

19. What does that have to do with the DP, which is proven to not deter crime

It actually can increase murders, if a state has an active DP.

So, please explain how a murder stops murders?

[Celerity]

20. Mass shootings are crimes, not state punishments. The US will never be capable of being a fully

civilised nation until it bans the death penalty.

Since 1990, ten countries (China, Congo, Iran, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, South Sudan, Sudan, USA and Yemen) have executed offenders who were under the age of 18 or 21 at the time the crime was committed, contravening the Convention on the Rights of the Child.

Nice company the US keeps.

[panader0]

26. To me, life in prison, without parole, would be worse than the death penalty.

I too am against the death penalty.

[yorkster]

28. You are right. DP should be banned. n/t

[The Grand Illuminist]

34. The jury hands it out

not the state.

[Celerity]

37. The state empowers the jury, it is all under the purview of the justice system, which IS the state.

The state meaning the government.

The jury is nothing without state.

[obamanut2012]

18. No one deserves being murdered

Including a murderer.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

36. Really?

Hitler? Pol Pot? Mussolini? None of those?

[GreenWave]

5. That's one Cruz down, one to go.

Right Canadian bacon Ted? Treason!

[Aristus]

6. I hope he spends the rest of his life realizing that it wasn't worth it.

I hope he stares through the bars every morning, or looks warily over his shoulder every afternoon in the yard, and thinks: "If I just hadn't done this one thing, I wouldn't be here."

I want that to weigh on him like a collapsed piano every. Single. Moment. Of the rest of his life.

[MontanaMama]

7. Good.

I don’t personally support the death penalty. So life in prison is good.

I hope the universe holds every Parkland student, parent, teacher, staff and all those touched by this very gently today. While I’m sure the verdict is welcome…I can’t imagine the pain they’ve all been living through during the trial.

[Danmel]

8. We know someone who lost her son at Parkland

My heart aches for her. Not generally a death penalty fan, but this case is so clear cut and horrendous.

[samnsara]

9. i agree..once you have it hit close to home you change your view pretty quickly

[Celerity]

22. which is exactly why it needs to be abolished, as a true rule of law blocks personalising vengeance

[Meadowoak]

10. +1

[SoCalDavidS]

12. I'm Among The DU Minority On This One

I realize it's not a popular opinion here, but I think crimes like this are so Horrific as to warrant Death.

The people should not have to pay to sustain this PIECE OF SHIT'S life for potentially the next 70 years.

[Earthrise]

21. Objectively, it costs more to try to impose the death penalty

than it does to lock someone up for life. Most defendants who get the death penalty appeal repeatedly - this process is more expensive than locking them up.

Death Penalty Center - State Studies on Monetary Costs
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/costs/summary-of-states-death-penalty

Of course, there are other reasons one may still support the death penalty.

[SoCalDavidS]

27. You Don't Think He'll Appeal Repeatedly Anyways? nt

[Earthrise]

29. Good question. I was just going by the reports from the states -

which matches what I've read from other sources (though I can't provide references for those).

[Arazi]

32. He didn't get the death penalty so no, he won't repeal even once

[Igel]

25. Also not a big fan of the death penalty.

At the same time, holding a human in captivity, with all the psychological pain that entails, amounts to state-sponsored torture.

Some seem to like the idea of the state's imposing a prolonged period of suffering, and the more suffering the better.

I figure for some offenses death is warranted. It's not that I think it's deterrence, I think it's just eradication of the problem in as painless a way as possible. Construct something like a phone booth, put the guy in it with plastic bottle of liquor of his choice, and at some random time replace the air in the booth with nitrogen.

[honest.abe]

35. I agree with you.

Its not so much the cost.. its the idea that the state is supporting this evil murdering creep for the rest of his life to live somewhat comfortably with 3 meals a day, free healthcare, clean warm bed, various activities, etc. A much better life that the millions of Americans who are homeless and living on the street.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

15. Might be better to change the thread title to: Breaking: Parkland Shooter Gets Life In Prison

[keithbvadu2]

16. Joe The Plumber: 'Your Dead Kids Don't Trump My Constitutional Rights' To Have Guns

Joe The Plumber: ‘Your Dead Kids Don’t Trump My Constitutional Rights’ To Have Guns

Ironic how he chose that verb back in 2014

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/27/joe-the-plumber-guns_n_5397981.html

[obamanut2012]

17. Good, the DP is barbaric

And, FL prisons tend not to have any AC, which I actually also think is barbaric, but for those who want him to suffer (which is not what justice should be), FL state prisons are inhumane shitholes.

[Celerity]

23. +1

[LeftInTX]

30. That's what I wanted for Casey Anthony!

But it didn't happen......

Casey stuck for life with no AC!

She's about as likeable as Ted Cruz....

[onecaliberal]

24. Can we stop using the monsters name and call him the Parkland school killer?

[Raftergirl]

31. I am against the death penalty

and I think life in prison with a chance for parole is a much worse punishment,