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RockRaven

(15,284 posts)
1. If I had to guess, I'd say TFG is not going to be charged with any of the flashy-named crimes.
Thu Oct 13, 2022, 07:12 PM
Oct 2022

No RICO, no manslaughter, no attempted murder, no sedition.

Various frauds and obstruction and conspiracies of the same, if anything. And I'm expecting less rather than more, even of these.

Not because he didn't do other crimes. Not because he doesn't deserve other convictions. Just because of our shithole system, and the shithead functionaries who make it run.

RockRaven

(15,284 posts)
5. Do you think a few dozen political appointees change the nature of a federal agency
Thu Oct 13, 2022, 07:36 PM
Oct 2022

just because the top leadership has been replaced by a new administration? Just like it is every few years?

There is no "our" DOJ. It wasn't Trump's when he called it his -- which he did a lot. And it isn't Democrats' or Bidens' DOJ now. There is just the DOJ.

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,343 posts)
6. Which you claim is a shithole run by shitheads
Thu Oct 13, 2022, 07:39 PM
Oct 2022

Given that Biden and Garland are at the top it sure sounds like you are calling them shitheads.

RockRaven

(15,284 posts)
7. Actually I didn't call the DOJ that. YOU brought up the DOJ. I said we had a shithole *system*
Thu Oct 13, 2022, 08:02 PM
Oct 2022

which is larger than the DOJ, and includes everything from our laws and the legislatures which writes them, to our courts and their rulings and precedents, to our executives (including but not limited to the DOJ) which do the investigating and prosecuting and jailing, to our citizens who sit on juries with greater or less fidelity and care.

We have a very flawed system. Saying there are worse ones out there would be damning with faint praise.

Donald Trump has reportedly been committing fraud-type crimes for most of his adult life, and has never been convicted of anything so far. And he's hardly alone. That's a systematic failure. Meanwhile less privileged people are wrongfully convicted right and left, including capital crimes. A systematic failure.

I didn't say a word about Biden or Garland specifically, but I'll gladly say this part again in different words: the system is fucked up, and the people in the system are fucking it up. If you want to read into that a criticism of those two people, I cannot stop you. But that interpretation reveals more about you than me.

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,343 posts)
8. Lotta words to explain how saying it a shithole run by shitheads
Thu Oct 13, 2022, 08:31 PM
Oct 2022

Doesn’t mean the people actually running it.

RockRaven

(15,284 posts)
9. Excluding the word functionaries from what I originally wrote certainly gives a different meaning,
Thu Oct 13, 2022, 09:06 PM
Oct 2022

or could to anyone who wishes to see one, and illustrates the perils of selective paraphrasing on one hand or bothering to converse with those who do on the other.

Thanks for making that clear.

TheBlackAdder

(28,352 posts)
3. If he called off the troops, Ashli Babbitt would not have been martyred for his cause.
Thu Oct 13, 2022, 07:27 PM
Oct 2022

.

Their posthumous hero would still be alive.

Trump and company obviously did not care for Law Enforcement lives.

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