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Far-right writer: "I will vote for Democrats straight down the line" (Original Post) FelineOverlord Oct 2022 OP
Yes, a mercy killing. elleng Oct 2022 #1
The Democratic party needs to stop fetishizing Republican converts. Yavin4 Oct 2022 #2
We need all the votes we can get. I celebrate every vote. Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #5
Yup, and President Biden won several states that didn't go Dem in 2016. DickKessler Oct 2022 #8
Of course. Enemies of democracy worked for decades to divide us, Hortensis Oct 2022 #12
Hear, hear! Abigail_Adams Oct 2022 #52
What's to stop us from doing both? Sogo Oct 2022 #6
Exactly. paleotn Oct 2022 #14
Clarity of message. Political focus. Yavin4 Oct 2022 #18
FFS iemanja Oct 2022 #7
It is fetishization. Yavin4 Oct 2022 #19
Any vote is a victory iemanja Oct 2022 #28
We have very limited time and resources Yavin4 Oct 2022 #30
What ARE you talking about? ShazzieB Oct 2022 #42
"This dude seems to have converted himself." Exactly. betsuni Oct 2022 #44
I think there is distinction here to be made. DFW Oct 2022 #47
+1 betsuni Oct 2022 #49
Fetishism. Shall we examine? TigressDem Oct 2022 #67
Chew gum. Walk. We can do both. paleotn Oct 2022 #15
Who exactly in the Democratic Party is "fetishizing"? betsuni Oct 2022 #51
You don't get it. WE HAVE ONE CHANCE TO TURN THE TIDE. ONE. TigressDem Oct 2022 #55
Democrats work for the good of all Americans... brush Oct 2022 #3
Wouldn't it be great if BOTH parties worked for the good of all Americans? TigressDem Oct 2022 #56
+1000 wnylib Oct 2022 #63
We may finally, slowly be seeing a working majority re-forming. Hortensis Oct 2022 #4
No. It'll take DECADES. WarGamer Oct 2022 #21
I don't know that it'll take decades for two right-wing parties to coalesce. Jedi Guy Oct 2022 #29
There are no TWO right wing parties. WarGamer Oct 2022 #40
Sure, there aren't two right-wing parties right now. Jedi Guy Oct 2022 #50
The "next" GOP'er will be Trump v2.0 with better PR and management. WarGamer Oct 2022 #64
No it won't, because the Koch Brothers won't live that long FakeNoose Oct 2022 #37
I like the way you think! ShazzieB Oct 2022 #43
The institutions funded by libertarian and fascist billionaires will last beyond Koch's death. Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2022 #46
IN many ways, we are still fighting the hidden roots of the KKK expanded into these groups. TigressDem Oct 2022 #57
Spot on Cosmocat Oct 2022 #38
Well, remember, back in the 1920s-40s much the same thing happened Hortensis Oct 2022 #45
OOOOH did a research and found NEW INFO - AMERICA FIRST goes back to 1880's TigressDem Oct 2022 #58
:) Yes. "America first" never has been managed to be civilized Hortensis Oct 2022 #60
The only positive I could imagine is like the Airline phrase, put your own air mask on first, then TigressDem Oct 2022 #65
Yes, and nations are supposed to take care of themselves first. Hortensis Oct 2022 #66
all i can say is barbtries Oct 2022 #9
Astonishing. A conservative Republican speaking truth to power. Go Democrats! Demnation Oct 2022 #10
I'll take any vote for Crist and Val Demings that I can get In It to Win It Oct 2022 #11
Exactly! Cha Oct 2022 #25
That's an important thing some Republicans need to hear. tanyev Oct 2022 #13
It's when they hear it from other republicans that it matters DFW Oct 2022 #48
Ha! A political mercy killing! ananda Oct 2022 #16
To the GOP, you are either a traumatized convert or an outsider to be treated with malice. ffr Oct 2022 #17
In other words... a Jeb Bush, Mitt Romney, McCain supporter. WarGamer Oct 2022 #20
So what? Every vote for Dems and any word about it helps us. nt Samrob Oct 2022 #24
And remember it's my fiend across the aisle, not friend. GreenWave Oct 2022 #22
WOW.. Bring On the "Mercy Killing"!! Cha Oct 2022 #23
He was quoting a different author SouthBayDem Oct 2022 #35
Oh dear.. TY for the Correction!! Cha Oct 2022 #36
Such a rare grace for someone to say, "TY for the Correction!" Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2022 #39
Wow.. Good to see you, too.. Cha Oct 2022 #41
FelineOverlord..... Upthevibe Oct 2022 #26
Finally, someone who understands that in order to save the Republican Party... JHB Oct 2022 #27
Correct, today's Democrats are closer to Eisenhower's party of the 1950's FakeNoose Oct 2022 #59
Dem message: charity and goodwill, malice toward none, better the lives of all Americans betsuni Oct 2022 #31
I welcome his vote, but more important is to get our side out in massive Hassler Oct 2022 #32
we've had a tyranny of the minority for WAY TOO LONG. pansypoo53219 Oct 2022 #33
" Permanent minority rule " sure does sound a lot like majority enslavement to me Heather MC Oct 2022 #34
curious... when or what exactly brought on the ah hah -revelation moment? msfiddlestix Oct 2022 #53
Is it not truth if a rube doesn't believe it? czarjak Oct 2022 #54
now if we could just get some elected Republicans to follow suit RussBLib Oct 2022 #61
Tooooooooo Dios Mio Oct 2022 #62

Yavin4

(35,356 posts)
2. The Democratic party needs to stop fetishizing Republican converts.
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 04:54 PM
Oct 2022

A few converts is not nearly enough to stem the tide pulling us towards American Fascism and Authoritarianism. Instead, we need to focus on reaching out to the non-voters and building up our party's base.

DickKessler

(358 posts)
8. Yup, and President Biden won several states that didn't go Dem in 2016.
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 05:38 PM
Oct 2022

Every vote matters, doesn’t matter from whom.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. Of course. Enemies of democracy worked for decades to divide us,
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 05:53 PM
Oct 2022

and are still at it. As we see.

Yavin, the essence of democracy is majority rule (with protections of the individual against tyranny of the majority). MAJORITY rule, theoretically, is at least one half plus one, but in real life it requires a larger majority that can stand against attacks by extremists and requires cooperation between different interests.

That's where this guy comes in. He's temperamentally suited to democracy. Some are not.

Yavin4

(35,356 posts)
18. Clarity of message. Political focus.
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 06:32 PM
Oct 2022

We need to be clear. Converting a few Republicans does nothing to build a lasting movement.

iemanja

(53,001 posts)
7. FFS
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 05:36 PM
Oct 2022

It's a vote. I suppose you'd prefer he'd vote for the GOP. It's not fetishization to be glad of a vote; nor does it push the Democratic party anywhere. It's common sense to take a vote wherever you can find it. Of course, that assumes one actually wants the Democrats to win.

Yavin4

(35,356 posts)
19. It is fetishization.
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 06:35 PM
Oct 2022

Some celebrate it as if converting a Republican is some sort of victory when it's not really. We should be more focused on getting the politically alienated more involved and voting, not jumping for joy when a former Republican votes Dem.

iemanja

(53,001 posts)
28. Any vote is a victory
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 07:30 PM
Oct 2022

When one make hundreds of phone calls for GOTV, one is thrilled to convert a voter. You seem unfamiliar with that concept. That person's vote is every bit as good as yours. In fact, they seem to be trying to persuade people to vote for Democrats, but you're telling them you don't want their votes.

Yavin4

(35,356 posts)
30. We have very limited time and resources
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 07:56 PM
Oct 2022

The Republican party is repugnant. We cannot waste time trying to convert them when there are far more votes among people who are completely disengaged and feel alienated.

ShazzieB

(15,952 posts)
42. What ARE you talking about?
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 01:02 AM
Oct 2022

Who's talking about trying to convert anybody? This dude seems to have converted himself. Excuuuse me if I happen to think that's a pretty cool thing!

There is absolutely no reason not to be pleased when someone like this comes around, and there is even less reason to equate being pleased about it with wanting to "waste time trying to convert [Republicans]."

This is a good thing, any way you slice it, and there is absolutely no reason whatsoever for any of us to see it as anything other than a positive thing. If you hate the idea so much, I'd say that's your problem.

DFW

(54,051 posts)
47. I think there is distinction here to be made.
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 05:01 AM
Oct 2022

Granted, WE aren't going to convert any of the crazies because the crazies wouldn't listen to us if we told them that breathing oxygen is better than breathing methane.

However, this is one of their very own who came to this conclusion all by himself. Sure, they wouldn't even hear it if it came from Rachel Maddow. However, if it came from Hannity or Carlson, some of them WILL listen, and while nowhere near that level of influence, this guy is one of their own. When THEY become disengaged and aliented, those vote are ours to pick up as well. He may only be one vote, but who knows how many he might reach? People who will say, "wow, if HE feels that way, maybe I should listen." THAT is why it matters, not for his lone vote.

TigressDem

(5,121 posts)
67. Fetishism. Shall we examine?
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 09:17 AM
Oct 2022

fet·ish·ism
noun
noun: fetishism; plural noun: fetishisms

1. a form of sexual behavior in which gratification is linked to an abnormal degree to a particular object, activity, part of the body, etc. "erotic fetishism"
excessive and irrational devotion or commitment to a particular thing.
"a critique of the new technological fetishism"
2. worship of an inanimate object for its supposed magical powers or because it is considered to be inhabited by a spirit.



I understand that you worry we are TOO focused on these types of "conversions" but try to see the way this resistance to common sense is playing out with the politically alienated.

WHAT is more alienating than seeing the two parties slugging it out and bringing guns to the polling locations?

EVEN if they can see that we are fighting FOR Democracy and ONLY IN SELF DEFENSE, it's still a cluster-f***

The idea of having the World see US in a little KUMBAYA moment with ANY Repuke might turn your stomach, I get it, but that's politics, amigo.

BUT IF WE CAN WORK WITH SOME OF THE MOST EXTREME ELEMENTS TO SAVE OUR COUNTRY, THAT IS A BIG STATEMENT.

It's the kind of stuff that makes people who have hesitated to vote begin to believe there might be something to this. IF IT CAN MAKE THOSE PEOPLE WORK TOGETHER, maybe it's worth it, HAS TO BE running in their thoughts.

THEN a DEM reaches out with sane and rational reasons to vote and we get less resistance. AT LEAST making the case for NOT voting for the MAGA crazies because even their own party doesn't want them is easier when MORE of their own party stand up and walk away from the MAGA slime fest.

AT any rate Yavin4, like someone else said, "We can multi-task" and you are right there is ALWAYS an advantage to getting more people to vote, because the more people who vote ALWAYS favors DEMS.

And the richest minefield for more votes is in the land of undecided.



paleotn

(17,778 posts)
15. Chew gum. Walk. We can do both.
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 06:20 PM
Oct 2022

It's not fetishizing. It's recognizing that there are those to the right of us who do value democracy. Not just us Dems.

TigressDem

(5,121 posts)
55. You don't get it. WE HAVE ONE CHANCE TO TURN THE TIDE. ONE.
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 10:34 AM
Oct 2022

States are working to take away voting rights. IF WE WIN MAJORITIES in 2022 and 2024, we have a chance to change it.

IF WE DON'T GET ALL UNDECIDED AND DISAFFECTED REPUBLICANS ON OUR SIDE TO SAVE DEMOCRACY, it's toast.

WE CAN'T TALK TO THE BASE THAT HAS GONE CRAZY listening to the propaganda.

BUT THEY LISTENED TO Republicans like the OP posted and his case is SOUND.

LIKE Liz Cheney said (AND WE KNOW) that it is ONE THING to disagree with opponents across the isle and work like *ell to get them defeated in a fair election. IT IS ANOTHER thing to try and STEAL that election and destroy AMERICA.

INSTEAD OF THINKING OF IT AS 'fetishizing" them, look at it as SUPPORTING PEOPLE IN RECOVERY from tRumpITIS.

Recognizing that people are thinking clearly even if we don't agree with their general platform, that they have decided that rule of law is more important than winning at all costs is NOT lauding them as all powerful entities. It's simply what HAS to be done to see that more of them aren't FIGHTING as much TO GET ON OUR SIDE as they will NEED that energy to FIGHT AGAINST THEIR OWN PARTY.

THE THREAT OF ANOTHER CIVIL WAR IS REAL and THESE MILITIAS live in neighborhoods EVERYWHERE.

WE NEED EVERY SINGLE ALLY WE CAN GET. PERIOD.

brush

(53,469 posts)
3. Democrats work for the good of all Americans...
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 05:06 PM
Oct 2022

Last edited Sat Oct 15, 2022, 02:24 PM - Edit history (1)

the current iteration of the republican party work to maintain their minority through the Senate filibuster and the Electoral College, anachronisms botn, and they've also lost the popular vote in seven of the last eight presidential elections.

But not if you listen to their stolen election lies.

TigressDem

(5,121 posts)
56. Wouldn't it be great if BOTH parties worked for the good of all Americans?
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 10:43 AM
Oct 2022

IF we can get people like the one posted in the OP, The Lincoln Party, Liz Cheney on board, then AT LEAST we show common agreement that THE RULE OF LAW is NOT UP FOR DEBATE.

I am not saying we need to go all "Fan Boy or Fan Girl" about it, BUT let us BE honest.

IF THEY WILL SPEAK THE TRUTH AND STAND BESIDE US AGAINST THE GREATEST THREAT TO DEMOCRACY SINCE WWII, then we will accept their support and admire their courage as they face WITH US the organized chaos set upon us by the OLIGARCHY to destroy America from within.

BECAUSE IF ENOUGH OF THEM STAND WITH US, the OLIGARCHY FAILS.

THE upper 1% RICH may have most of the money, BUT THEY ARE A PITIFUL MINORITY compared to the other 99%.

SO THEY SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO RULE THE REST in America, that is simply the definition of WRONG.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
4. We may finally, slowly be seeing a working majority re-forming.
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 05:30 PM
Oct 2022

A people divided have been unable to stop the depraved extremists who've taken over the Republican Party.

When the mainstream left and right can unite against common threats, as we once could, we will stand again. It's the only way we can save our democracy.

Btw, with years of intense demonization, it was so nice to read this admission from a conservative: "The Democratic Party may not always get policies right, but it works to better the lives of all Americans" Yes, we do.



WarGamer

(12,103 posts)
21. No. It'll take DECADES.
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 06:45 PM
Oct 2022

The neocon wing of the Party is dead and gone.

The GOP voters never really LIKED Romney, Shrub, McCain or Dole... they voted for them because it was the only choice.

Now that the rock has been overturned... it'll take a LONG time for a "non-angry" GOP'er to win an election.

Jedi Guy

(3,171 posts)
29. I don't know that it'll take decades for two right-wing parties to coalesce.
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 07:31 PM
Oct 2022

I've thought for a while that the "normal" (for want of a better term) Republicans would gravitate away from the current iteration of the GOP. Some, like the #nevertrump folks, jumped ship fairly early. Others watched the mutation of their party with mounting horror and jumped ship at different points along the way. The MAGAts tied their bootlaces to the railing of the Trumptanic long ago and are enjoying the ride since they're "owning the libs" in their version of reality.

What the normies lack is a strong, charismatic figure to rally around, an anti-Trump, if you will. At this point the closest thing they have to this figurehead is Liz Cheney. If and when such a figure emerges, the normies will coalesce around that person and that political body will be something akin to the Republicans of old, a loyal opposition that we can, to some degree, work with while ignoring the MAGAts as best we can.

The upshot is that the conservative vote will be fractured between the two parties, so it's unlikely they'll ever have any real pull in national affairs unless they can set aside their antipathy for each other and ally on particular issues. Ultimately it'll help us politically, but getting there will be a bumpy ride.

WarGamer

(12,103 posts)
40. There are no TWO right wing parties.
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 11:28 PM
Oct 2022

There's the 2022 GOP and there are like 11 people in the Liz Cheney wing.

Trump didn't MAKE the MAGA movement, he just gave it a name and face.

How could LIz be the front runner of a Party?

Her approval amongst Republicans today is probably... 5%??

Jedi Guy

(3,171 posts)
50. Sure, there aren't two right-wing parties right now.
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 05:53 AM
Oct 2022

There may be in the future, though, if the fragmentation continues. That's the point I'm making here. The normies may eventually give up on salvaging the GOP and go their own way. Or they may not. I'm speculating.

Either way, it's clear that there is a minority of conservatives who aren't fans of Trump. They may have held their noses and voted for him one or both times out of party loyalty, and that's who this guy is talking to.

This subset of conservatives currently lacks someone to rally around. If that someone appears, they may decide to do their own thing, party-wise. If (or, God willing, when) Trump goes down in flames, that hypothetical person may step forward. We shall see.

WarGamer

(12,103 posts)
64. The "next" GOP'er will be Trump v2.0 with better PR and management.
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 05:21 PM
Oct 2022

Maybe DeSantis? Noem?

There's not a Romney or Jeb! to be found on the list.

FakeNoose

(32,344 posts)
37. No it won't, because the Koch Brothers won't live that long
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 10:44 PM
Oct 2022

One of them is already dead, the other one is in his 80's. Chump will be sidelined (hopefully in prison.)
This madness will be over soon.



Hermit-The-Prog

(33,033 posts)
46. The institutions funded by libertarian and fascist billionaires will last beyond Koch's death.
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 04:32 AM
Oct 2022

The Fascist Oligarch eXtremists propaganda network will also last too long.

We have to fight the radicalized Republican party's war on education. The more educated the citizen, the more likely they vote Democratic.

Democracy wages a never-ending battle with fascism.

TigressDem

(5,121 posts)
57. IN many ways, we are still fighting the hidden roots of the KKK expanded into these groups.
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 10:52 AM
Oct 2022

RACISTS are living in the lizard brain. US vs THEM (amygdala)

If one does not have the ability to switch over to the REST of the brain, and process clearly, then fear, anger, defend, destroy thoughts are all that gets through.

It was literally how initial CLANS formed and began to form societies where ANYONE AT ALL could be trusted outside your blood relations. The very beginning of society before we set down roots and learned to do MORE than survive in the wild.

LIVING LIKE THAT IN A CIVILIZED SOCIETY is like being that child raised by wolves trying to understand complex table settings at a wedding. IT'S GOING TO BE A HARD FAIL.

Maybe if we show them what they will DEVOLVE to if they continue in this fashion, it will help scare them away from giving up on learning honest facts.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
45. Well, remember, back in the 1920s-40s much the same thing happened
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 04:04 AM
Oct 2022

on the right -- a VERY serious white Christian nationalist/fascism movement of people who approved of what Hitler was doing, assisted in their subversion by the LW's dysfunctional communist version.

But, the nation's severe problems caused the majority to come together then that put FDR and what became the New Dealers in power for 12 years, followed by Demcratic Truman's Fair Deal, followed by progressive conservative Eisenhower.

Of course the fascists didn't just disappear, but they were dragged along by the majority of voters who chose progressive government solutions over hate and they got distracted by the unprecedented widespread prosperity that resulted.

TigressDem

(5,121 posts)
58. OOOOH did a research and found NEW INFO - AMERICA FIRST goes back to 1880's
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 11:01 AM
Oct 2022
https://www.vox.com/2018/10/22/17940964/america-first-trump-sarah-churchwell-american-dream


Sarah Churchwell is a professor of American literature and humanities at the University of London, and the author of new book titled Behold, America. It’s a timely survey of two of the most loaded phrases in the American lexicon: “America First” and “American dream,” and how they’ve evolved in opposition to each other.



It was a Republican campaign slogan in the 1880s, which means it appeared much earlier than most people think. But it didn’t become a national catchphrase until President Woodrow Wilson used it in 1915. He was using it to try to keep America out of the first World War. But he was kind of doing a tap dance, because he wanted to placate the isolationists, although he was himself an internationalist.

So Wilson was using America First as a way to maneuver his way through a political minefield by saying America would be first to lead the world, and that it should stay neutral so it could pick up the pieces in Europe after the war. It was ostensibly about maintaining neutrality in the name of leadership.

But then the phrase gets taken up in the name of isolationism almost instantly, and it is quickly connected with other ideas that were also on the rise at the time, especially the rise of the Ku Klux Klan. It became linked to anti-immigration movements, and sympathizers of fascism, and was popularized by Charles Lindbergh, the famous American pilot who lead the “America First Committee” — a group of some 800,000 Americans who wanted to keep us out of WWII.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
60. :) Yes. "America first" never has been managed to be civilized
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 12:13 PM
Oct 2022

or respectable, always a rallying cry for the worst among us.

Can understand Wilson's trying to harness and turn the energy to good ends, but no one now could be surprised at his failure. A common national cultural identity for our nation of varied immigrant and native groups supposedly developed in the later 1800s -- those "America first" 1880s, so its worst potentials had already drawn our worst by his time.

TigressDem

(5,121 posts)
65. The only positive I could imagine is like the Airline phrase, put your own air mask on first, then
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 06:07 PM
Oct 2022

Because in a case where cabin pressure drops and you need the air mask, you only have seconds to get it in place before you pass out. IF you have it on, you can help others with theirs and they will wake up.


SO in situations where we can put America first... like having the rich pay their fair share in taxes so that we can solve the problem of hunger in America.... then when we turn to other nations to help, we have what we need and more people to do it.

Like not always pointing our fingers at other countries and blaming them, but getting our OWN wannabe dictator prosecuted and put behind bars before we try to fix other countries' issues. I mean yes, help, but be mindful that if we don't keep our own air mask in place we will pass out.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
66. Yes, and nations are supposed to take care of themselves first.
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 07:16 AM
Oct 2022

But that's also the #1 reason we send money etc overseas. We can generally get consistent majorities in congress behind actions both sides see as benefiting us. Expenditures to help others, without a good answer to "what's in it for us" are far harder to get both parties to agree to.

These hypocrites's slogan should be "White Christian America Uber Alles."

tanyev

(42,358 posts)
13. That's an important thing some Republicans need to hear.
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 05:54 PM
Oct 2022

They don’t have to join the Democratic party. They don’t have to promise to vote for Democrats forever and ever. But this year, this election, they need to vote for Democrats or not vote at all if they want to help save the country.

DFW

(54,051 posts)
48. It's when they hear it from other republicans that it matters
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 05:05 AM
Oct 2022

When they hear it from us, it's like a fly trying to smash through a window. When they hear it from other Republicans, it's more like a wrecking ball.

ffr

(22,645 posts)
17. To the GOP, you are either a traumatized convert or an outsider to be treated with malice.
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 06:28 PM
Oct 2022
[The GOP is] also a political party that understands that it’s not actually in the mass appeal business anymore: To the GOP, you are either a traumatized convert or an outsider to be treated with malice.


Let that sink in, for any who want to know how their GOP neighbors view them (democrats).

WarGamer

(12,103 posts)
20. In other words... a Jeb Bush, Mitt Romney, McCain supporter.
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 06:42 PM
Oct 2022

He can have lunch with Liz Cheney in a few months when she's unemployed.

Cha

(295,900 posts)
23. WOW.. Bring On the "Mercy Killing"!!
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 07:07 PM
Oct 2022

Good on Christian Vanderbrook writing this.. i Hope he gets More to the polls to VOTE BLUE!

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
39. Such a rare grace for someone to say, "TY for the Correction!"
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 11:00 PM
Oct 2022

It would be a better world if more people felt that way and said so.

I don't post much or really spend much time at all on DU these days thanks to countless challenges & traumas that have descended upon my life requiring more energy & time than I have.

But seeing this reminded me of how I always enjoyed your posts, even on the rare occasions I didn't agree with you! I just wanted to say Thanks for bringing joy to my brief check-in to DU.

Cha

(295,900 posts)
41. Wow.. Good to see you, too..
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 11:32 PM
Oct 2022

Dark n Stormy Knight!

You made me feel better, too!

I know what you mean by those challenges.. I have them too but DU is like my Therapy sessions away from personal challenges to Country and World ones.

And, when I want to get away from both I go to Streaming..

Here's to Victory for us and Democracy!

JHB

(37,128 posts)
27. Finally, someone who understands that in order to save the Republican Party...
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 07:25 PM
Oct 2022

...they need to torpedo it and refloat & repair the wreck later, after all the nasties have fled.

The key is for them to remember that we're not monsters. That Democrats running the show won't turn us into Cuba or Venezuela. But it'll probably turn us into something that resembles the Eisenhower administration (Oh, what a nightmare!) more than they'd like. They can't live with that?

FakeNoose

(32,344 posts)
59. Correct, today's Democrats are closer to Eisenhower's party of the 1950's
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 12:02 PM
Oct 2022


It was never communism, and it's not really socialism. But Repukes can't see that. Most of the Repukes today are so far into their lizard brains that civil discussion isn't even possible anymore.

betsuni

(25,126 posts)
31. Dem message: charity and goodwill, malice toward none, better the lives of all Americans
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 08:27 PM
Oct 2022

regardless of who they voted for, cooperation in stabilizing the government and the country. That message is reaching out to everybody. He says former Republican voters won't be reached by talk of policy, an alliance is possible even with differences in policy and ideology.

This makes some people nervous because of the belief it's not really possible to be a former Republican. Not possible to be wrong, they're evil and always will be and it's an elaborate ruse to take over the Democratic Party. As if the party is so weak and "milquetoast" and spineless that it is easily pulled this way and that way. The "too big of a tent" people are wrong. There'll be no takeover either by Republicans or socialists. Purity tests are a waste of time. Use whoever you can to reach your goals, in this case democracy and the lives of Americans.

Hassler

(3,321 posts)
32. I welcome his vote, but more important is to get our side out in massive
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 08:56 PM
Oct 2022

Numbers. I'm hope polls are wrong suggesting under 40's are for sitting out 2022.

msfiddlestix

(7,265 posts)
53. curious... when or what exactly brought on the ah hah -revelation moment?
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 09:57 AM
Oct 2022

He voted for both and now regrets it. ok. cool. good on him. but what was the thing making it apparent those votes were so wrong on so many levels? Why wasn't it obvious in 2015?

I'll never understand it.

RussBLib

(8,984 posts)
61. now if we could just get some elected Republicans to follow suit
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 12:16 PM
Oct 2022

I know, dream on, but there are some out there. I think many are still too scared by T****'s thugs.

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