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JohnSJ

(92,302 posts)
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 05:42 PM Oct 2022

What did John D. Rockefeller, Andrew Carnegie, Margaret Sanger, Helen Keller, Alexander Graham Bell

Last edited Mon Oct 17, 2022, 07:50 PM - Edit history (1)

all have in common?

From Ken Burn's "The U.S. and the Holocaust"

"They all subscribed to Eugenics. Colleges and universities taught it, Medical Societies Confirmed it, and Clergies preached it.
........

33 of the 48 states would eventually enact eugenics laws mandating forced sterilization of the wards of the state deemed physically or mentally unfit, and this included people in prisons, hospitals, and asylims. 60000 Americans were sterilized without their consent, until the last Eugenic law was removed from the books in 2014"

It provided a racist rationale, and anti-immigration policy

"Madison Grant a respected conservationalist and friend of presidents was the Founder of the Bronx Zoo, responsible in part for saving the California Redwoodsand preserving the buffalo, and instrumental in creating glacier, Denali, and Everglades National park, and was also a violent anti-Semite, anti-Italian, and pushed his bigotry in his book "The Great Race", where his suppossed "

The Great Race book

His supposed "scientific claims" of a rigid racial hierarchy was ludicrus, but used by people to justify racism and anti-immigration.

After WWI, Henry Cabot Lodge, Henry Ford jumped on board the eugenics boat.

Henrgy Ford blamed the Jews for everything from the assassination of Lincoln to the change in the flavor of his favorite candy bar.

He started his own newspaper, "The Dearborn Independent Newspaper", to spread his anti-semitic propaganda, producing 91 articles promoting the Elders of Zion, a Rissian anti-semitic hoax caliming a conspiracy of the Jews to "take over the world"

His newspaper had the second highest circulation in the country

The period we are going through now sure seems like a resurgence of this ideology, resurrected through the republican party. The documentary alto pointed out that were people in that time actually calling for a dictatorship in the U.S.

The country is in serious trouble



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What did John D. Rockefeller, Andrew Carnegie, Margaret Sanger, Helen Keller, Alexander Graham Bell (Original Post) JohnSJ Oct 2022 OP
wow. helen keller. IcyPeas Oct 2022 #1
I wasn't aware of it either. I recorded the PBS series when it came out, and just watched the first JohnSJ Oct 2022 #3
2024? niyad Oct 2022 #2
2014, I will correct, thanks JohnSJ Oct 2022 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Hekate Oct 2022 #5
Oh come on, it was a different century FakeNoose Oct 2022 #6
Yeah: "this country is in serious trouble" may well be true TheProle Oct 2022 #7
lol what WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2022 #8
It's all part of the white supremacy this country is built on. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2022 #9
Remember, if you cannot afford to neuter your feral Republican, there's a free clinic Nov. 8. Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2022 #10
Rockefeller had children burned alive at Ludlow DenaliDemocrat Oct 2022 #11

JohnSJ

(92,302 posts)
3. I wasn't aware of it either. I recorded the PBS series when it came out, and just watched the first
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 07:48 PM
Oct 2022

episode

Response to JohnSJ (Original post)

FakeNoose

(32,680 posts)
6. Oh come on, it was a different century
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 09:56 PM
Oct 2022

Eugenics wasn't taught as a way for hating other races or religions. Eugenics is totally out of favor now, as it should be, but it was regarded as part of biological science, like heredity studies. In the 21st century we have modern treatments for things like mental health, birth deformities, inherited genetic defects etc. They didn't have those treatments in the 19th century, and they dealt with it as best they could. We're better than that now!

TheProle

(2,190 posts)
7. Yeah: "this country is in serious trouble" may well be true
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 10:07 PM
Oct 2022

But not because a bunch of intellectuals 100 years ago got bamboozled by bad science. It reinforced historical European anti-Semitism and demonstrated the insidious nature of confirmation bias and generational racism.

‘Elders and eugenics and the like have become discredited fringe beliefs largely because we have these prominent examples of faulty and lazy reasoning among early 20th century intelligentsia.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,374 posts)
8. lol what
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 10:17 PM
Oct 2022
Eugenics wasn't taught as a way for hating other races or religions....but it was regarded as part of biological science, like heredity studies.
This is absolutely not true, as evidenced by people who spoke out against eugenicist activities throughout the 20th century.

We're better than that now!
Not sure what you'd call forced sterilizations on immigrants and prisoners, but it's happening in the United States in the 21st century, and it sure sounds like eugenics to me.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,374 posts)
9. It's all part of the white supremacy this country is built on.
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 10:18 PM
Oct 2022

I will say Helen Keller was influenced by Bell and then repudiated some of her eugenicist views.

DenaliDemocrat

(1,476 posts)
11. Rockefeller had children burned alive at Ludlow
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 06:26 AM
Oct 2022

Because the Greek and Italian immigrants refused to be indentured servants in his coal mines

Google the Ludlow Massacre. Fuck him.

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