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My friend and his family are voting Romney. He is a family values type Republican - religious, against gay marriage, church going, etc.
There is no way he could be persuaded to vote Obama, this I know for sure. It is what it is.
Anyone else know a Romney voter like this? People you know that all the words and persuasion in the world won't change their vote?
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gollygee
(22,336 posts)Mostly right-wing tea party types, but some are anti-government Ryan tax types.
Volaris
(11,763 posts)the Right-Libertarian, who mostly think everything the Govt. does is evil and destroyes his ability to be Rich, Free, An Asshole... whatever Rush tells him he SHOULD be that day.
I have figured out though, the more he hates Rachel Maddow on any given day, the better we are doing, generally speaking lol.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)vote romney.
inlaws has two gay sons so they stopped voting in 2004.
and the rest of the mouths dont get their ass to the voting booth.
and hubby has voted dem since kerry
Volaris
(11,763 posts)It seems to me, that they really DID beleive that Obama could get some things done that needed doing, and now they are mad at him for NOT getting it all done. Has it occured to them, that in order to actually GET the kind of REAL change that this country REALLY needs, President Obama would have had to spend the first 2 years of this term utterly destroying the GOP as a Nationally viable Party, and then spent the next 2 years passing so many "radical, left-leaning, socialist-communist" changes that they would have NEVER voted for him for re-election ANYWAY?
I'm not saying this is WHY your dad is voting the way he is, but it seems like it might be the cause for some others who are going to vote the same way...
I mean really, when the GOPer's I know say, "well where is the Hope and Change we were promised? I don't see it, that must mean Obama is a failure as a President.", why isn't OUR response,
"Well, what CHANGES were YOU Hoping for? What did YOU expect him to do for this country (as a Republican)?
And whatever their answer, I bet OUR response would rightly be, "Go ask the Tea Party about that."
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)his life. he is so pissed the auto got bailed out, and has not paid it all back, nor will they have to.
i refuse to talk to him and others in my family about politics.
i can seriously ask a question, what do you expect from a lyin, dishonest congress that only goal is to stop any progress for our country. demanding a super majority. and many other things.... but, after 2004 i learned, it really is not worth it.
maybe i will be surprised.
like i said, he voted dem for the first time ever in 2008.
he does have intergity. he is not a fundie so not the social issues.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)If I buy your house, I don't expect you to pay the mortgage. It's mine now. Just as 51% of GM belongs to the US Gov't at the moment.
Please remind of this point.
GM is recovering, but not yet to a point where we make a profit. Best thing is to keep control of GM until we can sell it and break even. You can bet your bottom dollar that if Romney gets elected, selling all that GM stock at a loss will be his 1st priority. My prediction if Romney gets elected president, by July 4th:
[font color=blue]General Moters, wholly owned subsidary of Bain Capital[/font]
Hundreds of billions lost by the gov't will be blamed on the previous administration's buy out rather than the new administration's sell out.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i heard i think GM say they had paid it all back, but they hadnt. and it was going to come up short for the tax payer. but, i can not remember the specifics. maybe this is it.
MineralMan
(151,449 posts)It would be very unusual not to know someone who votes Republican, I think.
Most of my neighborhood is that way in SW Washington state.
Kilgore
NotThisTime
(3,657 posts)Poor as dirt voting for Rmoney... amazingly bad choice.
rDigital
(2,239 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I think Obama will win my neighborhood by a 2-4%
I suspect we all do. Which is why it's so damn close.
LOL
onecent
(6,096 posts)Daughter-in-law and son (religious, church going,) The election nights for Bush (twice) they held prayer meetings at THEIR OWN HOUSE for the entire church and a pot luck. ..While I sat at the democratic headquarters in NKC and cried. Right before Mit got into the thing they were going to Tea Parties...
i love these kids...but dear lord..and you are right...
There is NO persuading them. NONE. ZILCH....so forgetaboutit..and don't talk about it..so I don't
Keeps peace in the family that way..lllol
Grammy23
(6,124 posts)My situation is exactly the same that you describe. We tried to talk to them this time to vote in their own best interest but to no avail. We had to agree to not even approach the subject just to keep peace in the family. My son is not a kid...he is 43....wife is 38. She strongly influences him and they are both influenced by their fundamentalist church. It grieves me that my son has forgotten so much of what he learned as a child. They are really HARD on the poor, as they seem to want to blame them for their plight and have no room in their hearts for charity toward the less fortunate.
I hope that some day he realizes how badly they have been duped by the Republican Party. They are a working class family with three children, ages 8, 11 and 14. The Republicans will not help them but they got distracted by issues like "a war on Christianity", abortion and emotional issues like that. They do not think critically and listen to the "authorities" at their church. My daughter in law actually used THAT word the last time I tried to discuss politics with her and that is when I knew it was a lost cause. A LOT of people in this country have been brain washed by their church leaders, Fox News and Rush. A sad day for sure. I'd like to think that some day they will realize how they were misled but it could take a very long time and many, many election cycles before they "get it".
Volaris
(11,763 posts)that they can relate to. Religion is it's own weird language sometimes, and a lot of it is in code, like an encryption key. I learned that it works best to ask questions that relate their FAITH to their RELIGION, and when there is a discrepency beteeen the 2, ask them to explain WHY. If you can get them thinking about Religion in terms of the 3rd deminsion of Faith, it might help. It's how I got a conservative friend of mine to stop caring about what gay people do, and vote strictly as a Right-Libertarian (taxes bad, freedom good, etc.)
It's more of a challenge now to convince him that Romney's an Ass, but he didn't vote for Santorum in the Primary, and that means one less important issue for us to waste time on with them.
doc03
(39,122 posts)since Obama.
rDigital
(2,239 posts)
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)doc03
(39,122 posts)still living in the last century.
txdemsftw
(461 posts)unfortunately...but I do have my very liberal Granny who is also a Precinct Judge (she'll be counting votes tonight) and a couple of VERY liberal aunts and uncles up in Dallas who will be voting for the President.
So, all is not lost in my family.
ewagner
(18,967 posts)...one is a "Super-Christian" (Dominionist/Dispensationalist....yeah...I don't know either) who wants to protect the "unborn".
the other is the half-crazed libertarian who lives down the block who brags that he took a 30% cut in pay and benefits to keep his job with a big corp....BRAGS....that he is non-union and "saved" his job by taking a pay cut... (btw..his corp just bought out a non-union shop in North Carolina...)
Volaris
(11,763 posts)I get paid LESS money now to KEEP working."
Only in Republican-Land
Zorra
(27,670 posts)
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)...but I do suspect one person who is quiet in our circle of friends -- that she might be a closet Romney voter. She is a reg'd Repuke...but not a teabagger type. I also know of one person who will not vote for Obama or Romney and is a Dem and voted a straight Dem ticket except for the Prez election. She says Obama is leading us into socialism. My reply: I asked her how she liked her Medicare -- govt run insurance -- knowing that she absolutely loves this program.
rDigital
(2,239 posts)national parks, SS retirement benefits, and public schools.
...exactly.
BTW: I don't see a problem with socialism...it just ignores a certain 1% and protects all others. 
rDigital
(2,239 posts)Mother, neighbors and sister! Oh boy!
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)
Stargazer09
(2,205 posts)Is truly voting against her best wishes.
Her husband is a 100% disabled vet, collecting military retirement pay plus VA disability, and since they have children, they also collect social security. She stays home to care for her husband and kids. They live in a huge 5,000+ square foot house, and she brags about how she is getting the house paid off using the SS money that they get until their youngest is 18.
And there's a stupid RR sign in their front yard.
She wonders why I don't have her as a friend on Facebook.
mikeytherat
(6,829 posts)Actually, her second "empty chair" display. The first one was just an old, beat-up chair she put at the curb, which the trash collectors hauled away with her garbage. Her new one has a placard which reads "empty chair," so she's either voting Romney, or very slowing getting ISO-9001 Certification for her front lawn.
mikey_the_rat
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)He's a Rush Limbaugh republican, big Bill Gates fan and big time school-"reform" practitioner/enthusiast.
You'd think he'd LIKE Obama. But he hates him. In *spite* of their shared passion for Gates -style $$$chool "reform".
ywcachieve
(365 posts)I have never voted for a Repub, and never will, my family feels the same way.
One of my supervisors. Naval veteran.
NMlib
(34 posts)Retired military livng on army retirement VA pension and social security disability. And she has two adult uninsured children that probably can't get medicaid thanks to Rick Perry. She also expressed support for abortion rights. I just look at her and say ...I have no idea why you are a republican. (She hates Obama says he's a Muslim not born in US). Can't talk politics with her .... facts mean nothing.
nmbluesky
(2,561 posts)But many friends and my all family vote obama
Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)Some fundies, some crazy, and some just clueless no matter what they're shown. Some, in all three categories, are just racists.
Oddly, today the fundies are all, "No matter who wins, it's God's will!" Oh, really? All this time, it's been, "God will defeat Obama!" Sounds like people are giving up. In fact, if Obama wins, someone ( [url=http://www.cosgan.de/smilie.php][img]
[/img][/url] ) might just have to point out that God obviously hates Willard. He even sent a terrible storm to make sure people saw the real Obama before the election.
northoftheborder
(7,638 posts)still "God's will", even though they are praying fervently that he doesn't. Beyond reason.
Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)Funny how when things go their way, it's "God's will," but when it goes against them, it's "Satan's handiwork!"
Babies.
Prism
(5,815 posts)These are blue collar, working/middle class types who usually vote Democratic. One has watched his three sons work through college and then struggle with unemployment once they graduated.
I've tried with them. My dad (a solid union Democrat) has tried with them.
With them, it's the economy.
That's what has me nervous today and why I've not participated in any pre-celebrating. I've heard from a lot of working class, usual Democratic voters too discontented with the economy. I know what the polls say, but I know what I've been hearing. I won't exhale until tonight.
lmbradford
(517 posts)The Republicans in Oklahoma are everywhere. I'd say that Democrats here are outnumbered 4-1. It is a very weird place as far as opinions and living go. Most people who grow up here, never leave the state and never want to. They have a very narrow view of the world.
rDigital
(2,239 posts)
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)
frogmarch
(12,256 posts)Only two of them are voting for Obama. The rest: the Nebraskans are voting for Romney and the South Dakotans for Jesus. I have more South Dakota in-laws than Nebraska in-laws.
northoftheborder
(7,638 posts)
ellenfl
(8,660 posts)otoh, i also know some repubs who are voting for obama.
spent 45 minutes voting this morning at a polling place that has not ever had a line in the 25 years i have been voting there.
ellen fl
upi402
(16,854 posts)and a couple gun nuts.
They watch Faux News BTW
Volaris
(11,763 posts)wouldn't much care for the Christ AT ALL if he showed up on their doorstep to announce his Return.
In modern parlance, there wasen't a DAMN THING Conservative about the Man from Nazereth.
upi402
(16,854 posts)and accuse him of the same crap they accuse us of.
rDigital
(2,239 posts)upi402
(16,854 posts)Good folks - the ones I know. Just that the NRA whips many into a lather and then chickens vote for Colonel Sanders.
luvs2sing
(2,234 posts)A few people I'm in touch with from high school...and two members of the choir I'm in. All told, about a dozen people. For most of them, I'm sure it's the "scary black man" thing, but a couple are like your friend. If God Him/Herself came down with an Obama logo on a stone tablet it wouldn't change their minds.
ananda
(35,318 posts)Sad to say.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)I meet clients in their homes and after meeting over a thousand folks to talk about their federal employee benefits I have a pretty clear idea which way they go politically after talking with them for 30 minutes. Some of the issues border politics and sometimes we talk about it and generally I use neutral terms like "under the previous administration this happened" and "under this administration this happened".
About 30% are from conservative religious families, including quite a few Mormons.
Most of them are excellent parents, good citizens and nothing at all like the images you get from looking at Republican politicians.
For many of them you can see that their religious life is centered on a simple understanding of the Christian message (simple but not necessarily naive) and despite having all of the demands on their time quite a few adopt, are foster parents (sometimes to some incredibly difficult children).
None of the Mormons I have met meet the sterotype of the Mormons you get from either the RW or LW media. I still chuckle about one Mormon guy who wore an official college sweatshirt with the a seal and everything and I asked him if the F was for Florida because I had never heard of FU. He just laughed and said that he had a sarcastic side to him. The last Mormon couple I met with were adult boy friend and girl friend who met at a Mormon Church and moved in together and have no plans to marry in the next year or two.
The reason tha these folks continue to be Mormon, IMHO, is that it gives them a secure way where they can participate in religion as a family. They are able to have greater influence on how their children think and believe, but I could be wrong. The only characteristic that I see that is different among the Mormons I have met is that the wives tend to fit a 1950's image of a housewife and when we come to benefits they just kind of turn off and leave it to their husbands, so I suspect that they like to have clearer gender role identification based on "Leave it to Beaver".
Virtually none of them are sophisticated politically, or particularly passionate.
None have ever expressed any real admiration for Romney. A few have expressed antagonism to the President.
I find the run of the mill Republican to be quite normal and nothing at all like the politicians that represent them. That was my experience growing up in a Republican family in a Republican community as well.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)She's been an advocate for all manner of liberal causes so wtf? How does someone turn on a dime like that?
Mad_Dem_X
(10,211 posts)newspeak
(4,847 posts)of course, they are all mormons. on the flip side, i know some mormons who are not voting for robme. they take the "jesus" doctrine about helping others seriously and think robme is one greedy unchristian type of guy. of course, they know more about his bain business dealings and his unamerican tax dodging. the others are just voting for him because they think he's one of them.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)They're like closet alcoholics: they suspect they have a problem but don't want to admit it to themselves or others.
I cut all my repuglican friends free. My parents are both Repuglicans, I would cut them free if I could to but they said they just aren't voting this year. I am still watching them like a hawk. If either one of them try to leave the home today I will break their legs... lol
TBF
(36,925 posts)income level varies but they are always religious.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)In one of the great ironies of life, most of my good friends are conservatives. We have fun with each other.
I have several alcohol-related bets with them on the outcome.
rDigital
(2,239 posts)
PATXgirl
(192 posts)Amidst a sea of Romney Ryan signs, I've only seen 4 Obama Biden signs.
And one of them was defaced 2nights ago. 
ThatsMyBarack
(7,641 posts)Even ONE vote for Rmoney is too many. 
spinbaby
(15,400 posts)I've been subtly and not so subtly encouraging them to vote for Gary Johnson, Jesus, or anyone but Romney.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Obama is a commie, socialist, hates America, apologizes, blah blah blah.
When pressed to describe what Romney will do, he's got nothing.
Its racism but he won't admit to it.
hogwyld
(3,436 posts)He lives in Hickville,TX and only watches Faux. He's a closet racist that thinks Obama is a muslim, communist loving athiest. I've tried endlessly to point out the good things that Obama has done, but he's pretty set in his ways. We can't even discuss politics.
a la izquierda
(12,372 posts)and my mother's partner. My husband's entire family is voting for hate, too.
LibertyLover
(4,788 posts)Several of my younger male cousins have gotten sucked into the Tea Party thing. None of them went to college and they are working in fairly dead end jobs, which they blame on the Democrats. And they hate the fact that Obama, a black man, has a better education and job than they do. Yes, sadly they are racists as well as Republicans, although really these days, they are almost synonymous.
clyrc
(2,299 posts)My immediate family is very Democratic, but extended family and friends I grew up with are mostly Repubs.
Arkansas Granny
(32,265 posts)Most oppose gay rights, the ACA, tax increases for any reason and claim to be christians. They believe that anyone with liberal viewpoints is ignorant, unethical, unpatriotic and ready to take their guns away. They won't listen to any other viewpoints besides their own. It's almost like they're afraid to hear something new.
Tommy_Carcetti
(44,566 posts)Despite the fact that I live in a blue area, I still feel alone.
mnhtnbb
(33,450 posts)
chloes1
(88 posts)and my Mom's brother and wife; Aunt and Uncle.
My Dad says that President Obama is lazy and a liar, my Mother thinks that if he wins he will have death panels that will kill her... otherwise Obama all the way!
Smuckies
(692 posts)We are the only Dems in my family..
Iggo
(49,983 posts)Fucking morons.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)And I even only know a few people voting for Scott Brown.
Everyone else is voting straight-ticket D.
City Lights
(25,946 posts)And most of my family members on my dad's side of the family are die-hard pukes.
mick063
(2,424 posts)That is why they think he is a lock. The people they associate with everyday are voting for him.
Except me.
marmar
(79,887 posts)...... but a few of the friends of some of my Facebook friends are rabid Romneydolts. It's been a lot of fun messing with them this morning. For example, one of my Facebook friends posted this chart:
Which prompted one of her Facebook friends to reply: "Well I'm glad I don't live in any of those countries and I'm proud to be an American" ........ to which I replied, "Yeah, 'cause it looks like the only place you'd be comfortable is Pakistan."
EnviroBat
(5,290 posts)Seriously, I don't know if the relationships can be salvaged. That's how strong my level of contempt is for Romney, and those that support him.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Lots and lots of money has made quite a few of them lose their minds. I can count 15 R$$oney voters off the top of my head. Yuck, I am no longer interested in hanging around them regardless of the "family" tie. When the BIL brought out O'Rielly's book and then called Obama a n*****, that really sealed the deal for me.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)The rest of my family are Blue Collar Dems, and my cousin voted for Obama in 2008, but he must have gotten assimilated into the Teabaggery while he was serving.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)
LeftInTX
(34,575 posts)My husband is very anti-abortion and felt it was his moral obligation.
He doesn't think Romney will win. He doesn't even like Romney.
He voted Democrats down ballot.
My parents for sure voted Republican cuz they're RWers.
Just about every single one of my coworkers voted for Romney. It's a very conservative workplace. Luckily, I'm in California.
LibraLiz1973
(8,197 posts)It's fucking annoying, but it's their first ammendment right to vote for that Fucktard.
I'm going to rage the fuck out if he wins though, that's for damn sure. If you make less than $250k per year, care about other human beings, value American jobs, are a woman, or you CARE about women and you voted for Romney... you're a fucking tool.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)that swears she's voted Democratic her entire life, she swears shes a good Dem but she's not voting for a guy who's name rhymes with the terrorist that killed Americans this was in '08. She hasn't changed her mind. Good Dem right. She always adds she's not a racist.
I think my one cousin military is voting Romney he voted McCain too same reason as the idiot neighbor. He's an asshole though, always has been. All my other family that's military--and there's quite a few are Obama supporters.
A lady that works with my husband, she's such a good person, I really like her a lot. She'd give you the shirt off her back. I don't understand why she's a repuke. She doesn't hate Obama, always speaks highly of him. He's a good person, a great family man etc. But she votes Repub.
Probably a few others he works with.
My family is pretty much all Dem, my granny was an old school republican. Hated Reagan, Bush, etc. Thank God she's not around to see this shit.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)mostly people I went to HS with who still live in Texas, also an ex nephew in law, who at least is cordial, so I don't mind having discussions with him. I don't have any real-life friends who are voting for Romney, though. I choose my friends with care. My three daughters and their families are Dems.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)
Shrek
(4,438 posts)Nobody really seems to be enthusiastic about Romney.
Johonny
(26,393 posts)When voting Republican puts food on your family you tend to be highly motivated to vote Republican. I have other friends that are racist bigots that won't vote for a black guy. Then I have friends that are fighting the man and voting Gary Johnson because they think it gives them gravitas.
I say Meh to them all. For the record there was NO WAY TO PERSUADE ME TO VOTE ROMNEY.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)I sort of swayed her toward Obama, but her husband hates him, so I think she will go along with him.
rhiannon55
(2,790 posts)along with their spouses, as far as I know. Oh, and a fundamentalist Christian niece. Pretty much everyone else voted for our President.
Courtesy Flush
(4,558 posts)That's a little bit of an exaggeration. I've managed to scrape up a few liberal acquaintances here in South Louisiana, but we're by far the minority.
I can only daydream about what life in a Blue State must be like.
Dem_4_Life
(1,778 posts)Some co-workers and my boss (UGH).
Luckily most of my family with the exception of one uncle and aunt are all voting for Obama and did in 2008 as well.
My Grandparents in Houston both (88) started voting DEM with Kerry. My Grandfather is in love with Obama and even used to be friends with the * family. Although my Grandma does like Obama she said this summer she could never "vote for a Mormon cause they are scary people"
renie408
(9,854 posts)
StarryNite
(12,150 posts)My husband.
ecstatic
(35,090 posts)Kaleva
(40,392 posts)I heard this from my ex who said another woman told her that.