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gibraltar72

(7,512 posts)
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 04:46 PM Oct 2022

MAGA scum destroyed my township ballot drop box

Wife and I noticed drop box was gone when we went to drop off our absentee ballots In Jefferson Twp. in Hillsdale County Mi. Wife took envelope inside and hand delivered to clerk. When she came out she said ballot box was in lobby covered in tape. It was still missing today so I called to find out why. About 40 minutes ago my call was returned clerk told me they tried to steal it but when that turned into too much work they destroyed it.

Clerk told me she was shocked I said actually i wasn't but I sure as hell was angry. My county has turned in to a cesspool of hate under the watchful eye of Christian Nationalist Hillsdale College and the Republican party.

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MAGA scum destroyed my township ballot drop box (Original Post) gibraltar72 Oct 2022 OP
I'm really sorry. I hope there were security cams. Hekate Oct 2022 #1
And then you have to hope the cops cared tishaLA Oct 2022 #19
Same shitbird magas that are all the time accusing Antifa of The_Casual_Observer Oct 2022 #2
I kind of expected this to happen. Claustrum Oct 2022 #3
Stochastic terrorism. NullTuples Oct 2022 #23
There should be security cameras from different views on EVERY drop box. flying_wahini Oct 2022 #4
DeJoy has no control over drop boxes moose65 Oct 2022 #7
Christo Fascist Hillsdale College for White Nationalists Botany Oct 2022 #5
That's Rebl2 Oct 2022 #6
Of course! James48 Oct 2022 #8
There have been no reports until this afternoon on radio gibraltar72 Oct 2022 #10
Conservative Christian Hillsdale College: multigraincracker Oct 2022 #9
Yes they did all those things. gibraltar72 Oct 2022 #11
Affiliated with the Claremont Institute.... reACTIONary Oct 2022 #13
"called a "conservative celebrity" and ''a hero to the movement,'' by The Weekly Standard" JHB Oct 2022 #16
I sincerely hope FBI has enough agents to deal with this shit. Arrest, convict and Lock them up Evolve Dammit Oct 2022 #12
I hope markodochartaigh Oct 2022 #24
Any word on what happened to the ballots iemanja Oct 2022 #14
reportedly they are well built gibraltar72 Oct 2022 #15
That's a relief. iemanja Oct 2022 #20
This should be on the news Kaleva Oct 2022 #17
Yes it is. Only news I've heard is after clerk returned my call. gibraltar72 Oct 2022 #18
With Pat Sajak helping RW Hillsdale. live love laugh Oct 2022 #21
These drop boxes should be inside municipal/county government buildings and courts houses... Crowman2009 Oct 2022 #22
"Inside" a municipal building is just what some Republican states Hortensis Oct 2022 #31
In that case they should be open 24/7. Crowman2009 Oct 2022 #34
Use some common sense people or this crap is going to keep Boomerproud Oct 2022 #25
Does Michigan allow mailing of ballots, or must they be given by hand? FakeNoose Oct 2022 #26
Yes we have mail option. TWP hall gibraltar72 Oct 2022 #27
Here's an idea - put the drop box inside the local police stationhouse FakeNoose Oct 2022 #28
That is impossible for small townships. gibraltar72 Oct 2022 #30
Please. Next time, take advantage of federal laws that protect your ballot. That's more important ancianita Oct 2022 #33
I don't mail mine in. llmart Oct 2022 #35
Domestic terrorism. roamer65 Oct 2022 #29
Republicans can only 'win' by cheating Blue Owl Oct 2022 #32

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
19. And then you have to hope the cops cared
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 08:30 PM
Oct 2022

and weren't sympathetic to the destruction so they just give it the most cursory attention.

Claustrum

(4,846 posts)
3. I kind of expected this to happen.
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 04:54 PM
Oct 2022

And it is why the RW media is targeting drop boxes. Just imagine people like you dropping off their ballots and then some RW a-hole set the drop box on fire or something. Then there goes your ballots. And if they aren't people that checks their ballots get accepted, then that's one less vote (statistically more democratic votes).

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
23. Stochastic terrorism.
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 11:09 AM
Oct 2022

Keep talking about it, get 'em riled up and sooner or later the less socially constrained* ones will act on it in some way. Plausible deniability is built right in.

* Trump played the part of a useful idiot by building an army of people convinced that like him, they are accountable to no one.

flying_wahini

(6,648 posts)
4. There should be security cameras from different views on EVERY drop box.
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 04:56 PM
Oct 2022

Armed guards if necessary, too. But you know DeJoy is in charge.

moose65

(3,168 posts)
7. DeJoy has no control over drop boxes
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 06:00 PM
Oct 2022

These weren't ballots that were mailed. They were hand-delivered to a drop box.

Rebl2

(13,551 posts)
6. That's
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 05:53 PM
Oct 2022

why especially now I would not trust drop boxes because there are those who want to destroy them. My state has never allowed drop boxes that I am aware of.

James48

(4,440 posts)
8. Of course!
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 06:03 PM
Oct 2022

The funny thing is- that particular part of Michigan DOeSN’T even have any Democrats on the ballot; is about 4 to 1 or more (R) rural voters. Last election cast about 450 votes for Trump, and just 145 for Biden.

By destroying the ballot box, they likely destroyed more (R) votes cast then (D)’s.

So far there is nothing at local news sites to confirm this report. I’d love to get more information.

gibraltar72

(7,512 posts)
10. There have been no reports until this afternoon on radio
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 06:53 PM
Oct 2022

to my knowledge. Similar thing last election in North Adams, It was never gonna be in doubt yet crazies believed no one in Adams township would vote Democratic so there had to be cheating clerk allowed information to be spread. That case is still in the courts I believe. It is quite simply intimidation. Just heard Hard right christstain supervisor is trying to dismiss it as someone trying to steal box for the metal. I don't believe that for a minute. There has been a lot of claptrap still down here about stolen election.

multigraincracker

(32,719 posts)
9. Conservative Christian Hillsdale College:
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 06:11 PM
Oct 2022

From 1990s Sex Scandal to Peddling COVID Disinformation

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/12/22/2070713/-Conservative-Christian-Hillsdale-College-From-1990s-Sex-Scandal-to-Peddling-COVID-Disinformation

Brought this up to a guy that was talking about the school. He got so mad he was spiting.

Established in 1844, Hillsdale College a small conservative Christian-based institution, which suffered a major sex scandal in the late 1990s, is now becoming a go-to institute for COVID disinformation. Located in Hillsdale, Michigan, the College, a factory for conservative thought and Christian values, was rocked by a sex scandal in the late 1990s, when George C. Roche III, then president of Hillsdale, was accused by his son of having an affair with his wife. Roche III, called a “conservative celebrity” and ''a hero to the movement,'' by The Weekly Standard, was forced to resign in disgrace (https://www.nytimes.com/1999/11/15/us/scandal-rocks-a-conservative-campus.html).

Some twenty-+ years later, Hillsdale is embroiled in a controversy of a different sort: COVID denial, and peddling disinformation about the pandemic and its variants. To pursue these aims, the institute is establishing an Academy for Science and Freedom, that will operate out of Hillsdale’s campus in Washington, D.C. According to the Hillsdale website, the Academy aims “To educate the American people about the free exchange of scientific ideas and the proper relationship between freedom and science in the pursuit of truth.”

gibraltar72

(7,512 posts)
11. Yes they did all those things.
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 06:56 PM
Oct 2022

But Law And Order did do a show about "Midvale College". Which was not to do with anything in the news. In that one Presidents daughter in law ended up dead and pregnant.

JHB

(37,162 posts)
16. "called a "conservative celebrity" and ''a hero to the movement,'' by The Weekly Standard"
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 07:51 PM
Oct 2022

That would be PNAC co-founder, Sarah Palin discoverer, and "Dan Quayle's brain" Bill Kristol's The Weekly Standard, whose alumni have reconvened as NeverTrumpers at The Bulwark.

markodochartaigh

(1,147 posts)
24. I hope
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 11:11 AM
Oct 2022

I hope that the FBI and the courts care to enforce the law when the people who broke the law were likely their usual allies. We have seen how increasingly compromised both the FBI and the justice system have become after only four years of Trump. Another four years would likely put the nail in the coffin.

Kaleva

(36,343 posts)
17. This should be on the news
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 08:06 PM
Oct 2022

This must be the drop off box located outside the Jefferson Township Hall on Bird Lake S Rd?

gibraltar72

(7,512 posts)
18. Yes it is. Only news I've heard is after clerk returned my call.
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 08:25 PM
Oct 2022

She said SOS and police were notified early Wed.

Crowman2009

(2,499 posts)
22. These drop boxes should be inside municipal/county government buildings and courts houses...
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 10:53 AM
Oct 2022

...with security guards 24/7 IMO. Now should not be the time to leave them out in the open where any MAGAt can vandalize them.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
31. "Inside" a municipal building is just what some Republican states
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 03:20 PM
Oct 2022

are now requiring. To make voting that much harder and less convenient, particularly for those who are physically challenged.

Boomerproud

(7,964 posts)
25. Use some common sense people or this crap is going to keep
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 11:22 AM
Oct 2022

happening. I'm getting sick to death of this going on and clerks are "scared" and LE won't enforce.

FakeNoose

(32,748 posts)
26. Does Michigan allow mailing of ballots, or must they be given by hand?
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 11:27 AM
Oct 2022

I'd think that mailing via USPS is still a safe option.

gibraltar72

(7,512 posts)
27. Yes we have mail option. TWP hall
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 01:36 PM
Oct 2022

is about 300 yards from my house. We just liked idea of drop boxes because they are there round the clock. This just should not be happening. There is a Trump house flags banners directly across street from Twp. hall.

FakeNoose

(32,748 posts)
28. Here's an idea - put the drop box inside the local police stationhouse
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 02:22 PM
Oct 2022

I'll bet the MAGAts wouldn't fool with it there.

ancianita

(36,133 posts)
33. Please. Next time, take advantage of federal laws that protect your ballot. That's more important
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 04:31 PM
Oct 2022

than drop box convenience. Mail in ballots are 24 hour drop off, too.

Drop boxes are exactly where shenanigans begin. Not just for voters but for intimidators. And if not under camera, votes can indeed by swiped.

Democratic elections shouldn't be fraught with all this fear and hate drama.

Good luck.

llmart

(15,552 posts)
35. I don't mail mine in.
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 08:25 PM
Oct 2022

I live in a rather red, rural, small town in Michigan too and not too long ago, a mail carrier was caught stealing from the mail. I use the drop box instead.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
29. Domestic terrorism.
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 02:26 PM
Oct 2022

If they find the culprits, they should be arrested and charged with it.

Hillsdale “college” is nothing more than a cultist religion madras

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