'I Am Correct:' School Board Candidate Doubles Down After Declaring 'All Nazis Weren't Bad'

[Behind the Aegis]

A candidate for a local school board in Zionsville, Indiana, who sparked backlash earlier this week for arguing that “all Nazis weren’t bad” is doubling down on his comments and lashing out at critics he says “tried to tear him down.”

Dr. Matt Keefer posted the initial comment Monday under a post on his campaign page asking, “Would teaching students 'all Nazis are bad' be considered indoctrination?”

“All Nazis weren’t ‘bad,’ as you specify,” Keefer responded, the Indy Star reported. “They did horrible things. They were in a group frenzy in both cases you site (sic). Who is to say if we were both there in the same place and same time, that we wouldn't have done the same thing.”

The candidate then rambled, comparing those who joined the Nazi Party to those who wore masks, used social distancing, and got a vaccine during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Parents in the community expressed shock at his comments, with one mother telling Fox 59 the whole ordeal was “sickening.”

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When they tell you who (and what) they are, BELIEVE THEM!

[sakabatou]

1. Someone get this guy a tour of Auschwitz

Maybe after he sees what's there, he might change his tune.

[Joinfortmill]

14. Zionsville? Wow. Zion: 'the hill of Jerusalem on which the city of David was built.' What irony.

[COL Mustard]

16. No, it's all fake. The pictures are all fake and it never happened.

(Making sure you know that's sarcasm. I've been to Dachau and to some of the other camps across Germany and into France, and I know it happened.)

[moondust]

2. And he's an M.D.

At least according to the shirt he's wearing.

An M.D. "comparing those who joined the Nazi Party to those who wore masks, used social distancing, and got a vaccine during the COVID-19 pandemic."

Unfit to practice medicine or anything else.

[thenelm1]

21. Mental Deficient? n/t

[cagefreesoylentgreen]

34. He's an anesthesiologist

He administers gas to people.

So it’s even worse when you put it a certain context.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

3. There are good people on both sides - Donnie the dumbfuck

[ShazzieB]

36. Not just "good" people. "Very fine" people!

The exact words (excerpted from a longer quote) were "...you also had people that were very fine people on both sides."

It blew my mind at the time, and those words have been etched on my brain ever since. I think it's rather telling that he put it that way. I would have been appalled if he'd said "good," but imo he pushed the awfulness up a few extra notches with "very fine."

He then tried to cover the blooper by saying he wasn't talking about neo-Nazis when he said that, but eabout people who were just there to protest the removal of the statue because they were admirers of Robert E. Lee. But all he did was dig himself in deeper.

Link to full transcript: https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/15/full-text-trump-comments-white-supremacists-alt-left-transcript-241662

[Ocelot II]

4. "Who is to say if we were both there in the same place and same time,

that we wouldn't have done the same thing?"

That's the problem. That guy, at least, would have.

[gratuitous]

29. And, in fact

Dr. Keefer is demonstrating quite clearly where he would have come down in those times, because he's doing it right now. When you find yourself defending Nazis, it's time to take a break and ponder your life choices.

[ZonkerHarris]

5. Now ask him about Democrats....

[Initech]

6. The Nazis killed 6 million people! They were all bad!

You are dead wrong, asshole! GTFO out of the school board!

[thenelm1]

22. The 6 million is just for the Jews. They killed millions of others too. n/t

[Solly Mack]

24. They murdered around 17 million people.

United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

[Warpy]

37. 12 million. Everybody seems to forget the rest of their victims

Anyone who wasn't physically or mentally healthy, Roma people, Poles, LGBT people, anyone who wasn't a good Nazi and part of Hitler's master race. They were all bad, even the reluctant ones, acting much the same way Russian conscripts are acting toward the Ukrainians today, "thank god it's them, not me" leading them to take out their rage on vulnerable people.

I'm surprised this guy survived medical school, but a lot of assholes seem to. I'm also unsurprised this is in Indiana, which became a huge Klan state starting in the 1920s during the migration of southerners north to the industrial jobs.

I will be sorely disappointed if this sack of shit wins, even in Indiana.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

7. In English language "All Nazis weren't bad" is logical equal of "No Nazis were bad"

This is Basic English, but it is stupefying how many native speakers get this wrong. It is often a sign of poor critical thinking skills or ability.

"All Nazis were not bad" is even stupider than "Not all Nazis were bad." The two statements are not equivalent. It's close but not the same.

To open with "all Nazis" means "the set of all Nazis" and "all the individuals who were Nazis". It is followed by "were not bad". "not bad" means at least neutral and maybe good.

Dr. Keefer is stupid, but probably he meant to say "Not all Nazis were bad." That is analyzed as follows: It is introduced by the word "not", meaning that the clause that follows is to be negated. The following clause is "all Nazis were bad". It is equivalent to saying "It is not true that all Nazis were bad".

Whether there were any Nazis who were neutral or good on the moral scale of good versus bad is debatable depending on whether one assumes that people who went along to get along or went along to advance their career but did some good deeds absolves them of participating in an abhorrent regime.

[harumph]

11. Thank you, I love language as well.

He might have stated that a few (history suggests there weren't that many) individuals
who were in the Nazi party and refused to commit atrocities or secretly worked to undermine the party.
Once again, we don't know of very many Nazi party members fitting that description.
For the most part, they were ambitious, fearful, weak and in some cases sadistic.

[sarisataka]

8. I wore a mask, distanced and had every shot I could get

I did not apply for a job at a concentration camp.

They are not the same thing.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

9. These neo_Nazis are scary

[AZLD4Candidate]

10. Oskar Schindler and John Rabe were not bad. Besides that, they were scum of the Earth

One saved Jews from being butchered, the other saved Chinese in Nanjing.

[IronLionZion]

41. It could be argued that the Schindler types were not really Nazis

but more like internal saboteurs.

Stosskopf definitely was a saboteur secretly helping the Allies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Stosskopf

[Farmer-Rick]

12. What was it our WWII American soldiers said about Nazis?

The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.

Maybe he was thinking about all those dead Nazis?

[patphil]

13. Keefer: Some of my best friends are Nazis.

[dalton99a]

15. People are asking: How many people did this anesthesiologist kill or fuck up?

[Captain Zero]

18. Yep. Eugenicide? I wouldn't put it past him.

nt

[lpbk2713]

17. Himmler was sooo misunderstood.

of course.

[cutroot]

19. two of my dads uncles, who are german

came home from the second world war totally disgusted with the nazis they would have waded in swinging with a group like this

[The Jungle 1]

30. I guess these were some of the good Nazis?

In the early afternoon of 17 December 1944, 43 U.S. POWs who survived the Malmedy massacre emerged from hiding from the Waffen-SS and then sought help and medical aid in the nearby city of Malmédy, which was held by the U.S. Army. This war crime was during the Battle Of the Bulge.
My father was in the 82nd Airborne and fought in the Bulge. He would not talk about Malmedy or what happened after the nazi pukes murdered our soldiers. It was a nerve I only touched once.

[cutroot]

43. We had to be careful around my dads uncles. In their view the only good nazis were dead ones

They went to Germany with the U.S. army expecting beer and pretzels and instead witnessed a nightmare.

[The Jungle 1]

44. My father was a complicated man.

Yes he hated the nazis and all they stood for and all the death and destruction they created. He was sure to make me understand that Hogans Hero's was BS and most of the movies and shows about the war were BS. He had respect for the German army and told me we were lucky to win.
The time I brought up the Malmedy massacre his response chilled me. It still does.
"A lot of innocent Germans died because of that." He was visibly shaken. I never touched it again. I read more history to better understand. But I probably still don't.
Rightfully, our tactics toward Germans change after the massacre. My father saw or may have participated in things that haunted him.
Here is something I think about. The D Day invasion caused and estimated total battle casualties for the United States of 135,000, including 29,000 killed and 106,000 wounded and missing. My father was Airborne and jumped out of a Douglas C-47, behind the lines. It is pretty amazing I am here.

[bucolic_frolic]

20. Das Bund is alive and well

Tell us more, Herr Oberst

[Loki Liesmith]

23. I presume he's not referring to Oskar Schindler

[Solly Mack]

25. Sick thinking.

[The Jungle 1]

26. Use public comment time wisely!

Give him some historical information. At every meeting.

[LudwigPastorius]

27. That motherfucker has seen too many "Hogan's Heroes" reruns.

[Iggo]

28. Fuck me. Not all Nazis? Really? Jesus fucking christ.

I can put up with the “not all men” pouters and the “not all white people” crybabies.

But come the fuck on, people. Fuck!

[IronLionZion]

31. Not all Nazis! Fine people on both sides

[Polybius]

32. Even if he was talking about the brainwashed Hitler Youth in the 40's, his choice of words are awful

All actual Nazis were horrific.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

33. Wonder what Herr Doktor dresses up as on Halloween.

[Aviation Pro]

35. Fuck you, Herr Motherfucker

….

[sop]

38. What he really meant is you're not bad if you only supported what the Nazis did, but you didn't

actually kill any Jews.

[twodogsbarking]

39. Listen to what they are saying. It is exactly why two world wars were fought.

[Johnny2X2X]

40. He's telling the truth

There’s no doubt that about 15% of far Right Americans would gladly exterminate millions of fellow Americans if they could. It can happen here.

[Progressive dog]

42. In Indiana, will that be enough for "Dr Keefer" to lose?

No one should have to ask that question in the USA but judging by the NAZI wannabes already in office, being a NAZI might help win elections in some places.