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By openly talking about getting rid of social security & medicare the republicans have given the Democratic party a political gift that will not come along again in 10 lifetimes.. It's possible to run ads on abortion rights AND social security!!! Has the Democratic leadership decided that retirees and seniors don't vote? Fear motivates people. Republicans lie to scare voters. The Democratic party can be 100% truthful to scare people into voting.What the hell is the leadership in the Democratic party thinking? After the mid-terms is too late to say " gee maybe we should have run a few ads on social security "
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blm
(114,658 posts)Crush Ukraine, then roll on Poland and Moldova.
Calista241
(5,633 posts)The Ukraine bill passed earlier this year with broad bi-partisan support. 86 Senators and close to 400 house members voted to support the bill. Just by stating the results of that vote, they have completely undercut your argument, and sacrificed any belief a voter may have in your honesty or good faith.
And if they think we're lying about Ukraine support, then what else could we be lying about? It's like social security. Nobody will believe us if we say they're planning to eliminate Social Security. Could they make changes that piss people off? Yeah they could, and we should focus on that, but saying they'll eliminate broadly popular programs is not believable and makes it harder for us to convince voters of other risks of Republican rule.
blm
(114,658 posts)campaigning that they’ll cut aid to Ukraine. There are tapes and quotes. And PLENTY from proPutin Republicans.
https://www.npr.org/2022/10/19/1129652322/ukraine-us-midterm-elections
XanaDUer2
(15,772 posts)Purple area, tons of retired people.
TheBlackAdder
(29,981 posts)XanaDUer2
(15,772 posts)I'm warning everyone I can. Pelosi is on Capehart, and I want her to say something about it. Fingers crossed.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,871 posts)dem4decades
(14,061 posts)The Republicans don't miss a chance to bang the inflation, crime and border drum.
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mcar
(46,059 posts)Do you have access to live TV in every congressional district?
Also, what are you doing to GOTV in your area?
onetexan
(13,913 posts)I haven't seen any run. I'm interested in seeong such messaging as well.
mcar
(46,059 posts)I don't know that there aren't any. Why is the OP continuing to complain about something that he doesn't know is a thing?
Why are DUers jumping on to feed into the complaint when others, too, don't know if it's a thing.
I don't have cable TV so I have no way of knowing.
BTW, last week, when the same person posted the same message, the thread had lots of examples of such ads. You could look it up.
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)...in the history of our universe that you have missed out on, and yet it all still occurred.
If you care so much about this, how much time have you spent looking into the matter?
PS - https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna52058
onetexan
(13,913 posts)And other entitlements because i keep up w the news. However, i haven't seen any attack ads here at least. This is why i ask.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)Autumn
(48,962 posts)W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)
Autumn
(48,962 posts)social media.
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)...not in the OP's message and not in your reply that I responded to. Sad attempt to move the goalposts after you both have been proven wrong and, in fact, ads most certainly are being run on the matter, regardless of whether or not you two have seen them.
But I'm sure there are ads being run on TV as well, but it's not like we can count on you or the OP to be accurate reporters on that either.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)are being seen constantly. You know who goes to Nancy's web site to see her championing everything the Dems do? The party faithful, no one else. Not Joe six pack coming home from work and sitting down watching the news, then relaxing and going to bed and starting all over again the next day. People don't go looking for what politician are doing, they deal with what is in their life.
You're sure the ads are there? Talk about being accurate, no goalposts were moved except in your mind. Try harder with the insults next time.
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)...and for this entire idiotic conspiracy -- and, yes, that's exactly what it is, being mostly peddled and promoted by sore losers in a former primary so they heaped irrational hate on the DNC that has kept up ever since -- to be true, you'd actually also have to believe that Democrats don't want to win or don't know much better than some run-of-the-mill poster on an internet message board how to win.
You and the OP both stated that you hadn't seen Democrats running any ads on Social Security.
You were both subsequently proven wrong, on multiple occasions, showing that, yes, Democrats most certainly are running these sorts of ads.
Those are the facts. And why do you seem so upset now, that you have been proven wrong and that Democrats are in fact running these ads? Shouldn't you be happy that they have been doing the thing you whined about them not doing? You are a Democrat, yes? And you do want Democrats to win, yes?
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)..."yes I am a Democrat and yes I want Democrats to win" in there?
Genki Hikari
(1,766 posts)I wouldn't count on getting an answer like that.
XanaDUer2
(15,772 posts)Is not going to go poking around on a politician's website after a long day at work. You're exactly right. It needs to be front and center, while he's kicking back relaxing.
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)They are on YouTube, Facebook, other websites, and, yes, even TV.
This isn't the 60s or even the 90s. Pretty much everyone uses the internet now, at least a much larger share than watches traditional cable TV.
mcar
(46,059 posts)Autumn
(48,962 posts)claim made by myself that I am talking about the whole state. I said I have seen no ads here ( which means where I am) in CO. Just a lot of Boebert shit.
Do you watch every TV station 24/7 where you live? I doubt anybody can or does. Nice reach though. 
Futile, but still a nice one.
mcar
(46,059 posts)but I'm not making the claim that Dems are running "no" ads about a particular subject, am I?
Autumn
(48,962 posts)
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)It's almost like whether or not you have seen them has zero impact on whether or not they exist...
Autumn
(48,962 posts)If they aren't seen are they doing any good? Why do I see republican ads on TV all the time? Maybe that is why this is a red area. Just imagine if Dems ran ads here talking about pukes wanting to cut SS. They might get a few more votes. Talk about impact. But hey, what do I know. 
You go on and have a nice day.
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)Those things you didn't even know existed until yesterday.
PS ‐ One of the reasons you see so many Republican ads is because they embrace """dark money""" PACs and the like, whereas we Democrats have to swear them off for fear of being labeled impure by a certain segment.
Another reason is because the DNC doesn't have as much money to run ads as it otherwise could have because that same segment has shit on it for years rather than blame themselves for their own electoral failures.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)But not in my red area
Autumn (41,895 posts)
If they aren't seen are they doing any good?** Why do I see republican ads on TV all the time? Maybe that is why this is a red area. Just imagine if Dems ran ads here talking about pukes wanting to cut SS. They might get a few more votes. Talk about impact. But hey, what do I know.
You go on and have a nice day.
* Agreement
** asking a question. Defiantly not a proclamation.
mcar
(46,059 posts) Autumn
(48,962 posts)the pukes wanting to cut SS. IMO making ads like that would be a damn good thing for them to do. YMOV
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,871 posts)Autumn
(48,962 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(179,871 posts)These ads will be very effective
Link to tweet
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/elections-dems-launch-ads-social-security-medicare-rcna54114?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma
But as a report from Roll Call made clear, the party is doing more than just talk about these social-insurance programs in assorted speeches.
In the closing weeks of an election increasingly dominated by economic issues, the Senate Democrats’ top super PAC is focusing on Social Security in new ad buys worth at least $1 million each aimed at Republicans in Arizona and North Carolina. In the Arizona cut, the narrator asks what nominee Blake Masters’ plan is “while we’re struggling just to stay afloat.”
The commercial is unsubtle, and it makes use of the Republican candidate’s own rhetoric, including recent remarks in which he suggested privatizing Social Security.
The Senate Majority PAC, which has close ties to Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, also began airing a related spot in North Carolina’s U.S. Senate race, targeting Republican Rep. Ted Budd.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)Cheri Beasley is getting hammered by lying ads. She needs help from our national party. We need ads reminding people what the GOP is promising to do if they win the majority.
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)If you think they should be running even more, perhaps you should send a donation the DNC's way to help them do just that.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)digital media.
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)... that you aren't exactly the best arbiter when it comes to these things.
I trust their judgment over yours, you who didn't even know any of these ads existed just a day ago -- even though they've been running for months.
If you aren't seeing them, good. These sorts of ads nowadays are microtargeted and they shouldn't waste valuable resources on someone that is already voting for Democrats...
...you will be voting for Democrats, yes?
Autumn
(48,962 posts)W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)I also have to say that I am noticing a very worrying trend with your inability to simply state that you are a Democrat, you want Democrats to win, you will be voting for Democrats, etc. Why can't you say those things?
Autumn
(48,962 posts)I won't do your purity test. Nor your loyalty oath. I find them insulting. Buy the site and ask me then.
betsuni
(29,079 posts)Autumn
(48,962 posts)
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)Autumn
(48,962 posts)88. Joe six pack does not go out searching for ads and comments on websites by Democrats.
I won't do your purity test. Nor your loyalty oath. I find them insulting. Buy the site and ask me then.
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)And if asking you to simply state that you support Democrats is considered a """purity test""" for you, I think that says everything anyone needs to know.
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)Colorado is actually one of the states where Democrats have outspent Republicans on TV ads, even taking into account outside spending that a certain segment of those on the left handicap our candidates into not supporting.
Strange that you claim not to see them then. Do you spend all your time watching Fox News? I wouldn't think that a Democrat would do so, but since you claim not to see things that clearly exist, coupled with the fact that you can't being yourself to simply state that you support Democrats, who knows!
Autumn
(48,962 posts)you post. My area is being targeted by republicans with no Democratic ads to rebut them.
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)...over the facts.
Again object permanence. Just because you don't sense something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I believe most babies pick up on this concept by age two.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)That is a fucking fact. Perhaps the problem is that I am not posting what you want to hear. I think anybody who reads can understand the difference between my posting "I haven't seen any in my area" and I have said in my replies to you and your insistence that "I am posting that they don't exist".
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)Whether or not you have personally seen them doesn't change the fact that they exist and have been running.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)If you don't have that link then we are done. I'm done arguing with you over what I never said. This whole conversation is tedious AF.
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)...that, since neither of you have seen them, they clearly don't exist.
You have both since been proven wrong. Multiple times. Over and over again. Isn't it great to hear that Democrats are -- and have been -- running these ads you two were so concerned that they weren't running, fellow Democrat that wants Democrats to win and will be voting for Democrats?
Autumn
(48,962 posts)75. They can be running somewhere, I haven't seen any and I am in a red area.
If they aren't seen are they doing any good? Why do I see republican ads on TV all the time? Maybe that is why this is a red area. Just imagine if Dems ran ads here talking about pukes wanting to cut SS. They might get a few more votes. Talk about impact. But hey, what do I know.
You go on and have a nice day.
Reading Is Fundamental.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,871 posts)XanaDUer2
(15,772 posts)Reproductive-freedom ads. The average age here skews older.
regnaD kciN
(27,640 posts)...are "reproductive choice" ads sprinkled with occasional ones about how our Democratic congressperson has been making sure police get fully funded. And this is far from a deep-red district!
XanaDUer2
(15,772 posts)Per the op, we can run abortion AND Ss Medicare ads. I don't get it. It's upsetting
MiniMe
(21,883 posts)
Scrivener7
(59,522 posts)
Tribetime
(7,145 posts)We should be attacking them and scaring people on what they will do instead of talking about what we will do it doesn't seem to work playing nice with them because all their commercials are scare tactics
onetexan
(13,913 posts)
Bettie
(19,704 posts)and their dollars in the bank.
No more 50 state strategy, more of a 10 or so state strategy and leave the rest to luck.
At least that's what it seems like.
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)Why does it seem that all these posts complaining about Democrats often speak about the party as if they do not belong to it?
Why not "we should..." instead of "Democrats should..." Once again, do you not consider yourself a Democrat?
PS - Here's an article listing several Democratic ads going after Republicans for wanting to cut Social Security:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna52058
And to my fellow Democrats, be wary of those looking to depress Democratic votes by making it seem as if our party is standing by and doing nothing when a quick Google search is often enough to debunk this rash of new "why aren't Democrats doing this?!" so-called concerns.
mcar
(46,059 posts)I'm also wondering why these "why aren't Democrats..." posters aren't out there working to GOTV, instead of complaining here.
SharonClark
(10,497 posts)as hard as any other DUer? People on DU have a right to express their opinion or frustration without having their motives questioned.
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)...just as easily as we can to debunk the OP's message about how Democrats aren't running ads about Republicans cutting Social Security!
mcar
(46,059 posts)24/7 in all 50 states, that doesn't leave much time. 
Autumn
(48,962 posts)they are talking about the Democratic leadership and the Democratic Party apparatus You know, the ones who actually have the ability, money and the connections (which we complainers, as you call us don't happen to have ) to do things like making ads and things like that which happens to be a big part of their job.
mcar
(46,059 posts)But again, how does the OP know that they aren't running such ads?
Hekate
(100,133 posts)…in the basement, and he only gets internet connection once a day, which is when he issues his cry from the heart.
unc70
(6,501 posts)Beasley, et al have been hitting most of the points. Advertising broadly around local news and sporting events. I don't watch much other broadcast TV, so I can't say what is showing during prime time or daytime.
As a very reliable Dem voter, I am not the demographic being targeted by either side.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)are now being blasted with Boebert and that dipshit Ganahl.
SheltieLover
(80,488 posts) Bettie
(19,704 posts)the national party apparatus.
You know, the ones who collect donations to help our candidates and then only help a very small number.
Some of us recall the success of Howard Dean's 50 state strategy.
I consider myself a Democrat, but since I live in Iowa, I'm not entirely sure the national party considers me one.
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)I think the bigger problem is that most people don't have a damn clue what the DNC does or has been doing and instead blames it for everything because it's an easy scapegoat.
betsuni
(29,079 posts)about leadership and the DNC. All that's missing is the word "establishment" and accusations of corruption.
texasfiddler
(2,199 posts)However, today I wrote 10 handwritten letters to Democratic Leaning voters in swing states with vote forward today. May I suggest you do something constructive to change the minds of registered democratic voters in swing states? It makes you feel better too. Just sayin!
GoodRaisin
(10,922 posts)Why is it never discussed on MSNBC? Or CNN? Or CBS? Or take your pick?
Say, if they would talk about it on MSNBC as often as they show Lawrence Tribe talking about how much trouble Trump is in?
I have seen a few ads run by Dems in NC on SS and Medicare. I would like to see more, but there have been some.
XanaDUer2
(15,772 posts)I wonder that myself
onetexan
(13,913 posts)
andym
(6,066 posts)such as Speaker Pelosi-- this would be followed by a second and 3rd spokesperson until the media are forced to report it.
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)GoodRaisin
(10,922 posts)MSNBC, CNN, CBS, etc. etc.
XanaDUer2
(15,772 posts)Just asked a SC Republican about it, but stopped short of mentioning SS cuts. Of course
Democrats are talking about these issues! Wow, what a surprise.
andym
(6,066 posts)But the press release dated 4 days ago so I can't take credit. 
mcar
(46,059 posts)
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(179,871 posts)sarisataka
(22,695 posts)
Will your 3rd post also be critical of Democrats, just to keep your streak intact.
betsuni
(29,079 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(179,871 posts)
Tarheel_Dem
(31,454 posts) Advertising costs $$$$$$$$.Response to GRANDWAZOO (Original post)
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betsuni
(29,079 posts)Where? WHY DIDN'T DEMOCRATS STOP ____ ?"
ismnotwasm
(42,674 posts)betsuni
(29,079 posts)uponit7771
(93,532 posts)yardwork
(69,364 posts)W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)... they and individual Democratic candidates have both been running ads on this.
Do you live in America to see them?
betsuni
(29,079 posts)Where is the great and powerful DNC? They have all the big billionaire both sides corporate money but only use it to buy fancy canapés and champagne for their corporate donor elite metropolitan parties, NOT ADS! They could easily and swiftly stop all the bad Republican things but do not!
Oh, by the way, I don't live in America so can't see the TV.
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)..."I've hated the DNC ever since they screwed a candidate I didn't even know existed a few months prior so I never donate to them and encourage everyone I see not to donate to them. Also, anyone that dares accept any money aside from $5 donations from individuals only, I call evil fascist corporatists, basically Republicans and just more proof that both parties are the same and corrupt. Wait, why aren't those Democrats spending more money on ads?"
betsuni
(29,079 posts)that ordinary campaign contributions are evil and corrupting because all money is corrupt except for. like, a few grassroots dollars maybe, but why don't Democrats have unlimited funding to run ads???????
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Rather than dropping a bomb and running away?
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,871 posts)These ads will be very effective
Link to tweet
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/elections-dems-launch-ads-social-security-medicare-rcna54114?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma
But as a report from Roll Call made clear, the party is doing more than just talk about these social-insurance programs in assorted speeches.
In the closing weeks of an election increasingly dominated by economic issues, the Senate Democrats’ top super PAC is focusing on Social Security in new ad buys worth at least $1 million each aimed at Republicans in Arizona and North Carolina. In the Arizona cut, the narrator asks what nominee Blake Masters’ plan is “while we’re struggling just to stay afloat.”
The commercial is unsubtle, and it makes use of the Republican candidate’s own rhetoric, including recent remarks in which he suggested privatizing Social Security.
The Senate Majority PAC, which has close ties to Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, also began airing a related spot in North Carolina’s U.S. Senate race, targeting Republican Rep. Ted Budd.
TheFarseer
(9,770 posts)Republicans are likely to make major negative changes in Social Security and Medicare. These are unpopular with the American people.
I hate our election strategy overall. That is just the beginning. I'm certain that the Republican's solution to inflation is the cut capital gains and dividends tax and cut corporate taxes. If you asked them their solutions, they would say to stop spending money, but that's the complete opposite of how they've governed. They can definitely spend money with the best of them. We need to point this out often.
Democrats run all kinds of ads about abortion rights (which is OK), but Republicans voted to stop people from getting contraceptives! Banning condoms and especially birth control pills probably polls at less then 5% and all but one Republican voted against contraceptives. Hit them hard with this!
Lastly, there were alot of good things in the Inflation Reduction Act. We seem to be running away from it. Why? The most positive thing I've heard a Democrat say about it is, "We're not spending *that* much money on it." The bill actually reduces the deficit?! And investing in electric cars and diversifying our energy needs will absolutely reduce gas prices all other things being equal. Negotiating prescription drug prices will absolutely reduce health care costs. IRS enforcement of tax law on rich tax cheats will absolutely reduce deficits. And if we were not proud of this bill - why pass sit? This was probably our signature accomplishment and we're not running on it. I'm sorry, but I'm so annoyed by our election strategy.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,871 posts)President Biden is glad to move the debate to social security and Medicare.
Link to tweet
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/social-security-medicare-biden-accepts-gops-gift-rcna53877?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma
“Look, folks, Democrats are going to protect Social Security and Medicare,” Biden declared. “Republicans have been very clear: They’ve stated boldly that they want to cut Social Security and Medicare — to the point that they’ll shut down the government, they say, and send the nation into default, which raises prices for everyone, if we do not cut Social Security and Medicare. I ain’t gonna do it.”
Looking over the transcript, the president used the phrase “Social Security and Medicare” literally 11 times during his appearance at the DNC.
Biden’s comments coincided with a Semafor report on Democrats’ newfound focus on the popular social insurance programs.
With just over two weeks to go until Election Day, Democrats are pivoting to a new economic message: That Republicans will crash the economy next year in order to gut Social Security and Medicare, a pair of politically popular safety-net programs. From President Biden to Speaker Pelosi to individual candidates in race after race, Democrats are pushing for a renewed focus on entitlements, a traditional strength for the party.
The article characterized this as an election-season “gamble” — recent polling suggests Social Security and Medicare are not among the issues voters are focusing on most — adding that the new Democratic messaging might also be a sign “that the party’s emphasis on abortion may not be enough to carry candidates across the finish line on its own.”.....
House Minority Whip Steve Scalise has also embraced a partisan plan for significant changes to Social Security and Medicare, while Republican incumbents such as Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson and Republican candidates such as New Hampshire’s Don Bolduc have endorsed related, regressive plans. Let’s also not forget about Florida Sen. Rick Scott, a member of the Senate GOP leadership, who published a blueprint that would put Social Security and Medicare in even greater jeopardy.
Are Democrats recognizing that their current pitch is insufficient, or are they simply exploiting an unexpected opportunity?
