Rees-Mogg move to axe 2,400 laws is 'anti-democratic', say legal experts

[Celerity]

Laws that could disappear include ban on animal testing, workers’ rights and environmental protections

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2022/oct/24/post-brexit-proposals-mean-2400-laws-could-disappear-lawyers-warn

Leading lawyers have sounded the alarm over Jacob Rees-Mogg’s proposals for post-Brexit legislation that could result in 2,400 laws disappearing overnight – including a ban on animal testing for cosmetics, workers’ rights and environmental protections. Lawyers including one former UK government legal official who designed the concept of EU-retained law for Theresa May branded the move as “anti-democratic” and “completely barking”.

Swathes of laws including equal pay for men and women, pension rights for same-sex married couples, food standards and aviation safety rules could accidentally disappear or be redrafted poorly, they warn. The retained EU law (revocation and reform) bill will get its second reading on Tuesday. It was designed in such a way that 47 years of laws devised during EU membership will be switched off on 31 December 2023 under a so-called sunset clause.

“A lot of laws are going to be changed without any scrutiny at all by a dying government that few people respect,” said George Peretz KC, a specialist in European law. The Unison general secretary, Christina McAnea, said: “This is a countdown to disaster for all working people. It ​would mean turning the clock back to Dickensian ​times when workers had no rights.

“In a financial crisis with a headless government, people need stability and support, not a bonfire of numerous employment rights. “Ministers must act now to reassure everyone that hard-won ​protection won’t be shredded. A free-for-all ​giving the green light to unscrupulous bosses ​is not the ​route to economic growth. “All of this is deeply objectionable on two grounds – it is anti-democratic and it is anti-growth,” said Peretz, pointing out that employers need legal certainty on employment laws, technical standards and other matters before expanding or investing.

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the most punchable face in Parliament

[Bernardo de La Paz]

1. I think progressives can do better than amping up violence with "punchable face". . . . nt

[hlthe2b]

4. Oh, please.

This man wants to destroy the very threads of democracy in the UK and you bemoan someone expressing dismay at the eternal smirk on his face while doing it?

Gee, golly, Wally? What would they say if we wanted to "smack" Trump for similar? Why, I don't know, Beav... They do seem pretty content to let our basic freedoms go, though.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

5. Violence will not solve the CONservative problem, and violence is funny only in RoadRunner cartoons

What Rees-Mogg proposes will not be blocked or fixed with violence.

[hlthe2b]

6. The OP is not advocating for violence.

and you are so out of line.

[Lochloosa]

7. Thank you.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

8. So progs who get upset when Cons make cartoons about hunting Pelosi are "so out of line"?

They are "only cartoons" and the Cons swear up and down they are "not advocating for violence".

Yet progs and Democrats get upset/annoyed by such "joking" and rightly so.

But you say it should apply the other way.

If someone wants behaviour from the other side, they need to set an example.

[malaise]

14. MAGAts did show up at Pelosi's home

punchable face is not a call for violence

[Bernardo de La Paz]

16. The cartoon was not a call for violence either. . . . . nt

[hlthe2b]

17. The only thing worse than your "bothsiderism" is your FALSE EQUIVALENCY

It is so disingenuous to what was ACTUALLY said and worse, self-defeating. But, lots of MSM would eat it up in a heartbeat. Need a job?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

18. Then where is the line? Some references to polical violence okay but other such references not?

Draw the line.

[hlthe2b]

22. Context! And reading comprehension and understanding and common sense.

The favorite line of older black grandmas and some moms in the South that I observed in childhood was to see their child/grandchild "acting up" and to say "don't make me smack you upside the head." Those women were as likely to actually do so as I am to drop a nuclear bomb. The kids/grandkids knew it but it was a signal reminder to behave themselves and to show respect. AND THEY DID.

So, do you want all those elderly women or others who use a phrase you don't like to go to jail? Apparently so.

That you can not differentiate between ACTUAL threats of violence and a mere comment of sarcasm or frustration or mocking leaves me incredulous.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

30. Again you play a strawman. I made no reference to jail or punishment for casual references.

What I did say was "progressives can do better".

Progressives can. And frequently do.

Fact.

[hlthe2b]

34. ahh, self-sanctimony... the final argument of those who have no argument.

Hint. Accusing others of that which they did not say or actions that they did not/do not advocate is not worthy of anyone. And that is what you did in reply to the OP. It is not sanctimoneous.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

35. Ah, personal attacks... the final argument of those who have none. "Hint" your strawman

"Hint." You are the one accusing me of things I never wrote, as I pointed out more than once on this thread.

[hlthe2b]

37. That is not a personal attack. Your comments are consistent with self-sanctimony toward the

rest of us, especially given your unfounded accusation toward the OP--which quite frankly is a personal attack. We do get to call out behavior and comments. That is not an attack on the person. Your comments reek of self-sanctimony and superiority toward the OP and the rest of us who can apparently never measure up to your expectations--even while you confuse actual violent comments with those totally tongue-in-cheek as was apparent to everyone else on the thread.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

20. You are one with BOTH-siderism. I say NO SIDE acceptable for casual references to political violence

[hlthe2b]

23. Apparently you don't know what "both-siderism" means either. Maybe google next time

rather than show yourself up.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

27. Clearly you think my no-siderism is the same as both-siderism. Take your own advice. . nt

[hlthe2b]

24. IT WAS NOT A CASUAL REFERENCE TO POLITICAL VIOLENCE.

How can you not comprehend that? I'm done with you.

THIS IS POLITICAL violence with REAL THREATS

This is what YOU equate to a euphemism.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

26. Strawman. I make NO equation btwn real political violence & casual reference to political violence

You are the one who introduced that equation here only to denounce it.

Google? Google "straw man tactic".

[hlthe2b]

28. NO ONE on this thread agrees with you. Maybe think about THAT before you start accusing other DUers

of instigating or defending violence. Really. You need to get a grip.

[bronxiteforever]

32. The term "a very puchable face" is a comedic trope.

The OP and other posters in no way or form suggested political violence. Colin Jost used it for his memoir. I don’t think he is suicidal.


Now here is a man who embraced radical hatred. Lest we forget

[Bernardo de La Paz]

33. Self-deprecating humour is universally admired. Farage is definitely not on our side

I understand it's a comedic trope, hence my reference in post #5 to RoadRunner cartoons.

[Celerity]

9. Backpfeifengesicht

[JHB]

36. Bernardo, the topic at hand is a trick to wipe out a half century of...

...laws and regulations without review by slipping it in as a "Brexit sunset" law.

Please stick to that.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

39. I was first to rec OP. Mogg's despicable end-run is against wishes of majority of the electorate.nt

[Elessar Zappa]

2. Almost as punchable as Ted Cruz.

[Celerity]

10. Yes, indeed. I would say Cruz wins, which is something in and of itself.

[ShazzieB]

13. Cruz definitely wins the prize.

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There's something about the combination of those oddly distorted features and that smarmy, self-righteous smirk that adds up to the most punchable face I personally have ever had the misfortune to lay eyes on.

[ChazInAz]

19. A living comic book face.

Hungry Chuck Biscuits from the eponymous underground comic of the Sixties.

[EndlessWire]

3. I have friends in Britain.

What in hell is happening in our world? Why do people want to turn the clock back to bad times??

Praying for ya, Guys. Hang tough.

[Celerity]

11. Yep, all 3 of my nations are in turmoil (US, UK, Sweden)

Sweden was enitirely predictable, avoidable, and not so related to the other two's reasons, however.

[rampartc]

12. the conservative word for "bad times" is"gilded age"

[Celerity]

41. that is spot on

[bucolic_frolic]

21. Libertarians by any other name

They prosper when there are no laws. They were the only politicians when coal and the slave trade and railroads were born. That's how they made they money and built and live(d) in castles. No regulations. They always want to return there so they can make more money.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

38. I don't think I'd call him "libertarian". I think he's an extreme Catholic, probably loves ...

... our three newest Extreme Court justices, as well as the more-seasoned Alito and Thomas.

Six kids, with many middle names that harken to old saints, archbishops, martyred ancestors.

An arch-conservative right-winger who wants lots of regulations, most of which would be biblical.

But regulations that provide marital rights to same-sex partners? Abominations! Where's the Inquisition when we need one?

[3Hotdogs]

25. And again, Carlin to the rescue.... Rees-Mogg. Carlin, (Paraphrasing) --And what's with it now

with these hyphenated last names. Jones-Smith.... Fingers-Me and on and on. Use'ta be we all got along with one name. Smith. Jones. Doe. Now we need two names. I guess its because people have trouble choosing one name or another

Well here's an idea for ya. CHOOSE A FUCKIN' NAME !

[Evolve Dammit]

40. or go short. "Sting" always had a good ring to it... "Pink"; keep it simple. "Prince", etc.

Sometimes less is more